1/6 Hot Toys - MMS - Iron Man 3: SHOTGUN Mark XL Collectible Figure

[Motuxmen]

Once again you are wrong.

They didn't paint the early super sonic test planes because the texture of even highly polished paint creates drag, just like the dimples on a gulf ball.

And the metal wasn't rough or bare, it was burnished and polished in such a way that it sealed all of the microscopic pours in the aluminum skin.

It the same reason they eliminated the round head rivets and replaced them with flush rivets which were also burnished to reduce drag.



It is not feasible to do this process on production Aircraft. they also paint production Aircraft for several reasons such as corrosion prevention and it would b e too cool to have an shiny silver F-18 trying to attack another plane.



I worked on Harriers for 12 years in the Corps and was never asked to study any kind of aerodynamic science. I don't know what your MOS was but it must have been something I never knew about.


As for the paint apps on prototypes, they always look a lot better then the production app, any thread demonstrates that has plenty of conversation about it.


I also don't know why it matter that the paint is baked on. A hand painted prototype will always look better then a production line painted figure

If you worked on harriers and didn't study aero in a or C school then your full of ****. What unit and what was your mos?

As for why it matters it was baked..obviously you don't understand the process. It's NOT hand painted. The process they use to do the finish on all iron man (except mk1, 2, and monger) is done with an airbrush/paint gun and then baked the exact same way the production pieces are. As for people talking about it on here...well then it must be true. Not a good argument. And again...I'm not talking about flesh tones or BD, or any hand painted stuff by JC. The iron men figures both proto and production are painted the same.

 

[LipSmack]

If you worked on harriers and didn't study aero in a or C school then your full of ****. What unit and what was your mos?

*runs for the popcorn

 

[Motuxmen]

As for "early super sonics didn't have paint". Which ones? Most did have paint. Your argument that it was polished metal is wrong. Here's most of the early test planes. All have paint. Your whole theory is dumb. If you spent hours polishing raw metal (not that it would do anything for the rivits or other uneven surfaces which destroys the idea together) you could do it to paint. The reason paint is an issue is exactly why I said. And Catwomenspenpal is also an idiot, it's weight. Aircraft grade paint adds weight.


And just for you so you don't ask...when I worked on f18s(and yes harriers and c130s at other duty stations) I was a 6412 and with Mag 11 and Mals11. Went to A school in Pensacola and C school in Cherry Point.

 

[Motuxmen]

Painted early super sonic test planes

 

[LipSmack]

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Painted early super sonic test planes

he worked on those for 12 years too

 

[Motuxmen]

Hundreds of pounds of extra weight from paint?!

You really are mad as a hatter aren't you?

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070930145833AAOzStL

And look at any site online. Paint is a weight factor on almost every aircraft. You continue to show you speak on topics you know nothing about. Maybe read a but before you mouth off.

 

[Motuxmen]

he worked on those for 12 years too

Right.

Yes paint can effect the drag coefficient. Had he said it could effect that he may have an argument. But that's not why paint was used or not. Instead he made the comment that shotgun shouldn't be painted becuase of drag. But given nearly all the fastest aircraft on the planet are painted he's just wrong. The effect is no where near what he is saying. The largest concern with paint on any Supersonic or sub orbit aircraft is weight.

 

[Furyan]

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Nice shots! really dig the colors of this suit.

 

[Motuxmen]

Nice shots! really dig the colors of this suit.

It's a great looking suit. And it does have spots that make it appear it may lock into flight mode. Just not sure if it actually does.

 

[Furyan]

What Id like to know is why the eyes of this suit are much more spread apart. What would be the benefit of this? Wouldnt it be harder to see? I dunno something Ive always wondered...

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

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Painted early super sonic test planes

he worked on those for 12 years too

42 years

 

[LipSmack]

42 years

Almost as long as he's been collecting

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

Almost as long as he's been collecting

And been a member of internet forums.

 

[LipSmack]

And been an expert of internet forums.

fixed it for you, before he sees

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

fixed it for you, before he sees

 

[zackhigh1226]

I had just gotten home after driving for a couple of hours, and I noticed that the Shotgun thread had become really active in that time. I got excited and decided to check it out, only to be dismayed that it was just more hostilities that had erupted...

 

[LipSmack]

I had just gotten home after driving for a couple of hours, and I noticed that the Shotgun thread had become really active in that time. I got excited and decided to check it out, only to be dismayed that it was just more hostilities that had erupted...

were you really disappointed? figs not gunna be out for quite sometime, what were you honestly expecting conversation wise?

 

[zackhigh1226]

were you really disappointed? figs not gunna be out for quite sometime, what were you honestly expecting conversation wise?

I was expecting some cool new pictures (which there were) but I wasn't expecting quite so much...how should I put it...creative discussion? I suppose I should have known better.

 

[LipSmack]

I was expecting some cool new pictures (which there were) but I wasn't expecting quite so much...how should I put it...creative discussion? I suppose I should have known better.

your day will come my friend, I think theres some more shows happening in asia between now and christmas, maybe theyll tour this piece around a bit yet

 

[Boba Debt]

I thought this was the Shotgun figure thread? That's why I subscribed and you're off topic talking about aircraft paint, polishing rivets and other crap.

If you can't beat them, join them

or

When in Rome, do as the Romans do

If you worked on harriers and didn't study aero in a or C school then your full of ****. What unit and what was your mos?

As for why it matters it was baked..obviously you don't understand the process. It's NOT hand painted. The process they use to do the finish on all iron man (except mk1, 2, and monger) is done with an airbrush/paint gun and then baked the exact same way the production pieces are. As for people talking about it on here...well then it must be true. Not a good argument. And again...I'm not talking about flesh tones or BD, or any hand painted stuff by JC. The iron men figures both proto and production are painted the same.

I was in MAG 32, intermediate level maintenance. 6468 was my MOS and went to Millington, TN for A-school. What's your specs bud????

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Painted early super sonic test planes

Oh look, the X-1 in the lower left corner, the plane they had to remove the paint from and burnish the metal to get it to go faster

Thanks for posting that

Right.

Yes paint can effect the drag coefficient. Had he said it could effect that he may have an argument. But that's not why paint was used or not. Instead he made the comment that shotgun shouldn't be painted becuase of drag. But given nearly all the fastest aircraft on the planet are painted he's just wrong. The effect is no where near what he is saying. The largest concern with paint on any Supersonic or sub orbit aircraft is weight.

I guess you missed this comment:

"I don't know. when I see this I'm reminded of the first jets that were built to go super sonic and most of them were not painted since it causes drag. I'm thinking anything that is supposed to go mach 5 might have to rely on less paint and more smooth metal"


I never said weight isn't a factor but it was not the main reason they didn't paint the first experimental test jets.

On any production AC weight is a huge factor

On a Boeing 777 the paint weights 475 pounds, so how much you think it would weigh on a plane such as the X-1 with 1/10 of it's surface, let alone a man sized armor?