1/6 Hot Toys - MMS264 - X-Men: DOFP: Wolverine Collectible Figure

[almo89]

250 for this figure is way too expensive and it comes with no accessories. Hot Toys has been slowly creeping up prices, but the past year it seems like they are raising the prices even faster.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Gonna be funny when Hot Toys charge more for a barebones the Iron Man AOU figures and no one bats an eyelid at the prices

Iron Man 1 is almost a perfect superhero film in my opinion it's a far better movie than 2 and 3.

- Stane was a far better villain than Killian, and Whiplash

- Robert Downey is at his best, 2 and 3 he started to become a parody of himself, almost everything that came out his mouth was a snarky joke.

- The script was much better than 2 and 3. Tony's motivation for becoming a hero made a lot of sense, and was well thought out.

- I loved the unorthodox ending with him admitting to the world he's Iron Man.

Agreed 100% especially about the second point.

 

[Brainiac]

250 for this figure is way too expensive and it comes with no accessories. Hot Toys has been slowly creeping up prices, but the past year it seems like they are raising the prices even faster.

a $300 2015 then...... damn I better win the £150,000,000 Lotto tonight

 

[pturtle]

Gonna be funny when Hot Toys charge more for a barebones the Iron Man AOU figures and no one bats an eyelid at the prices



Agreed 100% especially about the second point.

They already did

This cost $250

And this heavy beast cost $284

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Well there you go, bet people were asking Hot Toys to be quiet and confiscate their wallet

Days of Future Past. Critically acclaimed summer blockbuster filled with over a dozen mutants. Costumes, past and future versions of characters, giant robots...perfect LINE material for Hot Toys.

2023 Wolverine opened the door and there's so much that can follow:

1973 Magneto
2023 Magneto
Past and Present Magneto set
1973 Xavier
2023 Xavier
Past and Present Xavier set
1973 Beast
2023 Beast
Past and Present Beast set or Human Hank McCoy and Beast set
Sentinel Mark II (1973)
Sentinel Mark X (2023)
Mystique
Storm
Colossus
Quicksilver
Iceman (with bonus ice sculpt)
Bishop
Blink
Sunspot (with flame bonus sculpt)
Warpath
Trask

I'd be shocked if it ends with Wolverine.

In regards to the previous ones not getting figures due to movie quality, well Thor 2 got three figures, IM2 got a few and MOS got three. It was probably due to licensing.

I'm not sure why you say "everyone" claims to hate iron man 3. It was one of the top three box office draws of all time. Made billions.

And if box office equalled quality Transformers 4 would be a filmmaking classic.

If this wolverine does not sell, and sell pretty well(ie a lot more then both Ladt stand and "the wolverine") there's no way any more DOFP figures make it.

People not buying Wolverine does not mean a lack of interest in other figures from the franchise, it could simply mean they've got one of the three others and want different characters than wolverine.

There was a big request from loads for magneto on Hot Toys facebook page when the movie released. The demand is there all they need to do is supply

A toy iron man suit is simply a toy Iron man suit, the designs were cool, but that movie is absolute ****. People who like it are A) not Iron man comic book fans (though as of late im not anymore either) and B) sheep

It's not even about the figures, it's about the rush of getting the next one.

 

[Eric923]

Gonna be funny when Hot Toys charge more for a barebones the Iron Man AOU figures and no one bats an eyelid at the prices



Agreed 100% especially about the second point.

Yeah.. this is getting pretty BS. Hot Toys has already been showing the trend of steadily bringing up the prices and trying to set a new norm in pricing after every few figures. It's like they're taking us collector's for idiots and seeing how much more they can rip us off. Pretty greedy if you ask me. I don't know about everyone here, but I'm gonna vote with my wallet and NOT buy this figure just to send a message to these greedy guys. The recent $230 norm for a normal figure is already too much and now this $250 mark is just flat out ridiculous. Hopefully everyone else would help make a statement by speaking up. It's like they're treating us collectors like fools or mindless sheep.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Trust me voting with your wallet doesn't work. For every figure you skip over pricing or milking there'll be a hundred who'll buy it

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

I paid less for Snake Eyes, who came with a **** ton more than this. HT needs to get a grip.

 

[Motuxmen]

I paid less for Snake Eyes, who came with a **** ton more than this. HT needs to get a grip.

And the tooling and sculpt for snake eyes(on top of licenses issues) was no where near as complicated and detailed as this wolverine. The sword tooling can be reused from SE. The guns can be reused. The body is cast with black plastic and is reused.


As for the post where it was commented about what I said about if this wolverine does not do well the other DOFP figures won't get made...and the response was that people may already have other wolverines.-----first, that means nothing. They have sold or are selling 30 iron man figures. So 3 of 4 wolverines doesn't exactly stack up. And the DOFP license is unique. In man ways. If the most popular character in the most popular costume does not sell, given the increased cost and hassel involved with the rights to this film hot toys will not proceed.

Why would they? When they have other properties that make more money, cost less to produce and can be up/re cycled for tooling.

 

[Darth Zangetsu]

And the tooling and sculpt for snake eyes(on top of licenses issues) was no where near as complicated and detailed as this wolverine. The sword tooling can be reused from SE. The guns can be reused. The body is cast with black plastic and is reused.


As for the post where it was commented about what I said about if this wolverine does not do well the other DOFP figures won't get made...and the response was that people may already have other wolverines.-----first, that means nothing. They have sold or are selling 30 iron man figures. So 3 of 4 wolverines doesn't exactly stack up. And the DOFP license is unique. In man ways. If the most popular character in the most popular costume does not sell, given the increased cost and hassel involved with the rights to this film hot toys will not proceed.

Why would they? When they have other properties that make more money, cost less to produce and can be up/re cycled for tooling.

Then they should have started this line with Young Magneto. That would have gotten collectors excited.

And if Snake Eyes was a bad example how about: Roadblock came with way more, Superman, Jor-El, General Zod all came with the same amount and were cheaper... And all the Iron Mans hung around the same price for a while. This Logan comes with less than the last one, and costs more.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Iron Man is different from Wolverine as it's often faceless armour that sells often based on cool design factor and collecting them all as part of a set. Wolverine isn't a collect them all kind of of character.

For many characters people want a definitive version and not an endless sea of the same character in different looks.

For instance Ripley, the most popular would be one from the first and one from Aliens. But if they did an Aliens version and stopped it there and did an alien 3 version then people wouldn't be as interested as more different characters from Aliens like the USMC instead of another variant of Ripley.

They'd have gotten a lot more interest starting this line with Magneto or Mystique than Wolverine as he's been done several times and isn't as unique as they would be.

I'd be willing to bet people who have an existing wolverine figure would prefer a new X-Men character of another version of him and that character would've sold better.

I love this figure and have it on order as I loved the character and it's his best outfit yet but if given the choice I'd have taken several first then Wolverine

 

[YankeesFanboy]

Trust me voting with your wallet doesn't work. For every figure you skip over pricing or milking there'll be a hundred who'll buy it

 

[Eric923]

I paid less for Snake Eyes, who came with a **** ton more than this. HT needs to get a grip.

I completely agree with you Darth. Just a few years ago all figures across the board were all only in the $180 to $190 range. It wasn't just one figure, it was all the figures. And now figures are ranging from 230 minimum to 310. And it looks like with this new wolverine with LIMITED accessories they're trying to set a "new norm" of $250 pricing for a barebones figure. Which is dumb.

It has nothing to do with this figure being of a unique license at all. HT has already done wolverine figures to death like Iron Man. So they already have the Hugh Jackman license so that's not unique. They've already co-operated with 20th century fox and made wolverine figures on previous xmen films as well. It's not like this movie is any unique license. So this figure is just like any other figure from any other movie. It's armor is made from plastic and fabric too just like many other figures. And it has way less accessories. So this marking it up to $250 is really just a way to test us collectors to see if we're willing to pay this price for a barebones figure so they can see if they can set that as their new norm. Which is getting greedy.

Another example is Man of Steel was a new license and the actor's rights was new too. And the superman figure there was only about 200. Amazing Spiderman 1 figure was a new movie and it's figure which had the alternate actor's headsculpt was 209. Whereas amazing spiderman 2 (not quite a unique license anymore) is now charging 230 and it doesn't even have the actor's headsculpt anymore so that's one less license needed, but the price is still more than before. It shows this gradual price increase in the past few years has nothing to do with licenses. Back to the Future, SW are all new licenses for HT and they're not trying to charge 250 for a human figure like this wolverine, although I think 230 is already too high for human figures. This is all examples of just figures across the board all going up in prices incrementally non-stop regardless of the license or what not.

Really what Hot Toys and maybe even sideshow has been doing these past few years is they're trying to slowly, bit by bit, bring up their prices by $10 to $20 each time to try to bring down our resistance level and to be able to sneak in new, higher pricing norms without us complaining. But little do u know.. after a few years of this BS, prices have jumped about 30 to 33% from just a few years ago. And quite frankly, us collectors' salaries haven't gone up 33% in the past few years.

Right now we consumers/collector's are blessed with social media. Through the internet we can voice our opinions, organize, unite and spread the word. It's really more powerful than any marketing tool from a company. If we already let our voices be heard that these prices are unacceptable and they're too high. And the figure doesn't sell well, then this will let these companies know that they can't keep trying to milk us for fools and they'll hopefully get a grip on their ridiculous prices. They will know it didn't sell because of their ridiculous pricing and not because we don't like the character because they can read our opinions. Hopefully we as collectors can use the internet to voice our opinions, cause quite frankly, I would like to think us collector's who are willing to pay 200 bucks for a figure would have solid standards and valuable opinions to express. Cause expressing ourselves does help. We expressed our disappointment about the Christopher Reeves Superman prototype headsculpt and hot toys as a result fixed it for the production version. So we definitely count in making changes if we're willing to man up and express our opinions.

HT also tried to charge $250 or $259 for their Tracker predator a few years ago and people didn't buy it and it ended up going on sale to a more reasonable price. It's not like this discouraged them from making predator figures for sure, only the price dropped to something more reasonable and I ended up buying the Tracker Pred for about $155, which is probably what it's really worth. And I bet you there was still profit to be had in that price already.

Conversely, if we do just "mindlessly" buy whatever they release at whatever high prices they set this will just encourage them to keep bringing up the prices to test our resistance level. Right now Hot Toys is making a lot more quantity and selling a lot more of one figure than before, which means according to economies of scale it's becoming cheaper for them to make each figure now because they sell more. So technically speaking, this means figures should be cheaper and not more and more expensive. I mean their Mandarin figure was one of their best work and he had a super detailed outfit and a nice chair and it was a new actor's license and the figure only went for $190. So there's really no excuses.

Frick, I didn't realize i wrote so much. lol sorry for the long posts guys... just I'm passionate about our hobby, but I don't appreciate being treated like a pawn who would mindlessly accept any price being fed to me or any level of substandard quality for the price being released to me. Also have a good buddy who has to pick up a second job working graveyard shifts along with his day job just to stay in this hobby and its not cool to see this ever growing,greedy pricing scheme. Really not cool. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

HT has already done wolverine figures to death like Iron Man.

Yeah....No!!!!!

Wolverine will have had 4 figures Iron Man will have had upwards of over 20

Only own of those have been done to death, it's like comparing Apples and boulders

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From the Hot Toys wants thread,

Most common want (for X-Men) is you guessed it...

The Matrix Neo
Kyle Reese
Batman Begin 2.0
Davy Jones 2.0
Cesar romero joker

Ghostbuster

Fassbender magneto
Mystique

Mostly videogame figures for me

MGS Gray Fox/Ninja
MGS2 Solid Snake
Lords of Shadow Alucard
Lords of Shadow Dracula
Arkham Origins Deathstroke
Arkham Origins Batman
Arkham City Mr.Freeze
Arkham City Harley Quinn
Arkham City Catwoman
Arkham City Poison Ivy
Arkham City Robin
Arkham Origins Croc
Arkham Knight Scarecrow

Movies:

DOFP Magneto
Alien Queen
Colonial Marines
Yondu
Lady Sif
Ronan
Malekith
Dark Elves

TV:
Arrow
Roy Harper
Flash

The Matrix - Neo, Morpheus, Smith, Trinity

X-Men DOFP - Professor X young and old, Magneto young and old, Sentinels past and present.

The Sopranos - Tony, Silvio, Paulie (very much doubt this would ever get made)

Mad Max - Max

Raging Bull - Jake Lamotta

OK I'll play serious:

Kyle Reese (all encompassing figure for the entire film, not just Tech Noir, lets face it they'd probably only release one)
Sarah Connor/Blown-in-half Endoskeleton double set
T2 John Connor
Hicks
Hudson
Vasquez
Doc Brown (not yet a foregone conclusion, but reasonably likely)
Indiana Jones (based on Harrison Ford this time - and no PERS. 'but Indy-' NO PERS!!!)
John McClane
Riggs & Murtaugh
Maximus Decimus Meridius
Fassneto (Magneto)
70s outfit Wolverine


Any new Arnold figure from his various actioners would be a temptation, including a Dutch 2.0. Further T-800s would be purchased most likely but I won't ask for them.

Thanos (GoTG)
Ronan (GoTG)
Doc Brown
Top Dollar (The Crow)
Magneto (DoFP)
Charles Xavier (DoFP)
Silver Surfer
Luke (Jedi)
Amanaman
Boba Fett (Holiday Special)
Jimmy Conway
Henry Hill
Tommy DeVito

Last week I would have said a good Jackman as Wolverine sculpt but the DOFP figure looks perfect in my eyes, so my wish list looks something like this now:

Blade 1: Blade
Hellboy 1: Hellboy - on a proper TT this time, no rubber please
All the Ghostbusters + Ecto 1
Batman Begins: Ra's al Ghul - FTLOG give us Ra's al Ghul
Man of Steel: Faora (the only figure I'd get from that license)
X2: Prof X, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Magneto, Mystique, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Iceman, Rogue

If they'd go back to the M icon series then:
Sinatra, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis jr
Elvis

Given up on a good Harrison Ford HS so I won't go looking for another Indy, but for the all time holy grail set:
All 6 Bonds.

 

[almo89]

Yeah....No!!!!!

Wolverine will have had 4 figures Iron Man will have had upwards of over 20

Only own of those have been done to death, it's like comparing Apples and boulders

Comparing any figure to Iron Man will be like that, but 4 figures of Hugh Jackman's portrayal of Wolverine is still a lot in my opinion. No matter how you slice it, 250 for a figure that has no accessories is way over priced.

 

[pturtle]

They certainly should have started with Magneto, but if HT plans on releasing him anyway regardless of how well or not this Wolverine sells than I guess I can see why HT went with Wolverine first. Remember this film did only okay domestically, overseas in Japan this movie did huge numbers, I'm willing to bet a lot of foreign consumers (where HT/ sideshow is located) that don't post on SSF are dying to get this figure.

Considering how poorly the other Wolverine have figures sold, I think it's obvious that there are some underlying factors that are contributing to the price hike, especially when you compare this to some other figures being released like the battle damaged T1 T-800. I doubt HT is selling this at $250 a pop because they think most of us are going to buy it anyway, based on previous sales of Wolverine what would make them think that? This isn't a Joker figure from The Dark Knight, or one of Iron Man's relevant suits, thats why I'm pretty sure everything Motuxmen has been saying has a lot of truth to it, and if it is, then I'm certainly comfortable paying the price I have to pay to get a high quality figure from a franchise that has basically no merchandise what so ever, it doesn't seem like any other figure company plans on making figures from this franchise and thats telling if you ask me.

HT didn't have to pursue the X-Men license, and we already know its a pain in the ass to get these figures made, so I don't mind HT charging an extra 20-40 dollars to get this figure made, its certainly better than paying an extra 300 or so for a custom.

 

[Eric923]

Yeah....No!!!!!

Wolverine will have had 4 figures Iron Man will have had upwards of over 20

Only own of those have been done to death, it's like comparing Apples and boulders

It's to show that the Wolverine figure and the Hugh Jackman has been already done and it's license is not a unique or new license at all as another poster suggested. Not trying to suggest they've done as many wolverines as iron man, but trying to show this ridiculous pricing doesn't correlate with any unique or new licensing. So it shouldn't be a reason for this super high pricing. And I really agree with Darth Zangetsu here. Prices across the board have been going up systematically like mad. And it's not like this Wolverine comes with DX like accessories. It actually comes with even less accessories than standard barebones figures. lol

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[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Comparing any figure to Iron Man will be like that, but 4 figures of Hugh Jackman's portrayal of Wolverine is still a lot in my opinion. No matter how you slice it, 250 for a figure that has no accessories is way over priced.

There's been 3 Black Widows (with a fourth to come), 4 Spider-Mans, 7 Captain America's (with an 8th to come). Wolverine deserves as many.

Prices are getting crazy yeah

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Can't wait to get the blue ray

 

[Eric923]

Yup, I don't mind them making new and better versions of a figure. And I don't mind multiple versions of Wolverine at all. I like improvement.

But these new, ever-increasing prices are getting ridiculous. I'm personally not gonna get this wolverine out of principle.