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[tdk5]

You call your guesses on HT's operations facts? Really?

 

[LipSmack]

I remember just fine. Just like those aforementioned figures, producing a mark II from a mark III should be no issue for HT, rather than going for the other Marks.
It seems to me you're the one grasping for straws right now

I never said it was an issue for them, I said it wasnt likely to be done because of the lack of popularity

you said it was easy for them to do new parts, we explained at length why its not "easy" or something they can just do on a whim. it will cost them money, the figure wont sell and those factors contribute to why I said its not gunna happen anytime soon... I know research isnt your thing but maybe go back and read the discussion

 

[bransen2099]

You call your guesses on HT's operations facts? Really?

You're guessing to sir, based on their previous action and not their inner workings, while Lip has done mod work, I have done recastings and Motu actually has associates at Hot Toys.

 

[Motuxmen]

You did say diecast molds are also more tedious to redo vs plastic in another thread right? So it's also something that would probably turn off Hot toys from doing immediately

Yes sir, diecast is way harder. I wasn't even adding that to the mix. He was already confused enough. And wrong enough. Diecast is incredibly hard for mold making. It's a lot more like metal stamping then injection molding.

I find it remarkable how well these figures turn out as mass produced items. hot toys has gotten very good. I know one of their sculptors that's been there since almost the beginning. The improvement is remarkable. From the early stuff to now.

 

[bransen2099]

Yes sir, diecast is way harder. I wasn't even adding that to the mix. He was already confused enough. And wrong enough. Diecast is incredibly hard for mold making. It's a lot more like metal stamping then injection molding.

I find it remarkable how well these figures turn out as mass produced items. hot toys has gotten very good. I know one of their sculptors that's been there since almost the beginning. The improvement is remarkable. From the early stuff to now.

It's more like metal stamping? So I'm getting the picture of heated metal getting pressed into shape by molds? Jeez I can't imagine the wear on the molds and how often they need to be replaced.

 

[tdk5]

You're guessing to sir, based on their previous action and not their inner workings, while Lip has done mod work, I have done recastings and Motu actually has associates at Hot Toys.

Unlike all of you, I specificially categorized my statements as guesses. Again, no matter how much "expertise" you have in the field, unless you're working for HT, all you're doing now is guessing.

Yes sir, diecast is way harder. I wasn't even adding that to the mix. He was already confused enough. And wrong enough. Diecast is incredibly hard for mold making. It's a lot more like metal stamping then injection molding.

I find it remarkable how well these figures turn out as mass produced items. hot toys has gotten very good. I know one of their sculptors that's been there since almost the beginning. The improvement is remarkable. From the early stuff to now.

I can understand just fine thnak you. I wasn't the one who gave arguments without knowing what the topic actually was.

I never said it was an issue for them, I said it wasnt likely to be done because of the lack of popularity

you said it was easy for them to do new parts, we explained at length why its not "easy" or something they can just do on a whim. it will cost them money, the figure wont sell and those factors contribute to why I said its not gunna happen anytime soon... I know research isnt your thing but maybe go back and read the discussion

Hi, clearly you can't differentiate between a guess and a fact. It's no wonder you think you're always right

Again, if you have time, do enlighten us with your knowledge at the Hulkbuster price guess thread.

 

[Motuxmen]

You call your guesses on HT's operations facts? Really?

I'll call mine facts. If you speak Chinese or Cantonese I can let you talk to one of hot toys engineers. Or let me know next time your in Hong Kong or China and I'll even get you a tour of the manufacturing facilities.

I'm not guessing about how this works. And neither are they. We are telling you how the process works. Hot toys, sideshow, enterbay, Mattel, hasbro, McFarland, 3a, ect...all use the same basic principles. It's like knowing computers. Even if you have never used the one someone else has, you still understand the principal. Me, I've actually been in hot toys design studio. But not that that matters. Really. If you think we are wrong about how things work do some research. Then talk to us. Right now you are arguing and your whole point is..well they kinda did it in the past, and maybe it's not hard. Not the best counter points.

Oh and I knew the topic. I just didn't follow your train of logic. Mainly because it derailed. Again, great deflecting.

 

[tdk5]

I'll call mine facts. If you speak Chinese or Cantonese I can let you talk to one of hot toys engineers. Or let me know next time your in Hong Kong or China and I'll even get you a tour of the manufacturing facilities.

I'm not guessing about how this works. And neither are they. We are telling you how the process works. Hot toys, sideshow, enterbay, Mattel, hasbro, McFarland, 3a, ect...all use the same basic principles. It's like knowing computers. Even if you have never used the one someone else has, you still understand the principal. Me, I've actually been in hot toys design studio. But not that that matters. Really. If you think we are wrong about how things work do some research. Then talk to us. Right now you are arguing and your whole point is..well they kinda did it in the past, and maybe it's not hard. Not the best counter points.

Oh and I knew the topic. I just didn't follow your train of logic. Mainly because it derailed. Again, great deflecting.

See I never asked for any of these. I only came to the thread posting a light-hearted guess, and you all took it way too seriously.

Everyone on these threads are entitled to make guesses, and I think those guesses don't warrant your deep knowledge, explanation or research. If I wanted to do research, I wouldn't do it here or ask for it here. Lol.

 

[bransen2099]

Unlike all of you, I specificially categorized my statements as guesses. Again, no matter how much "expertise" you have in the field, unless you're working for HT, all you're doing now is guessing.



I can understand just fine thnak you. I wasn't the one who gave arguments without knowing what the topic actually was.



Hi, clearly you can't differentiate between a guess and a fact. It's no wonder you think you're always right

Again, if you have time, do enlighten us with your knowledge at the Hulkbuster price guess thread.

Guesses based off of facts. Same like what we're doing. We're guessing what hot toys toys is doing, you're actually dodging what we're saying, deflecting it instead from learning from it. I mean, logically, plastic injection or die cast molding is the best way to go for mass produced figures. Why would hot toys do it any different?

Your very arguement comes down to repaints and figures with similar designs sharing the same parts yet you fail to recognize that you have to completely change the mold to change the parts that needs to be changed and that costs money that hot toys may or may not be willing to spend, hence not "easy" as just putting rivets on the chest.

 

[tdk5]

Guesses based off of facts. Same like what we're doing. We're guessing what hot toys toys is doing, you're actually dodging what we're saying, deflecting it instead from learning from it. I mean, logically, plastic injection or die cast molding is the best way to go for mass produced figures. Why would hot toys do it any different?

Your very arguement comes down to repaints and figures with similar designs sharing the same parts yet you fail to recognize that you have to completely change the mold to change the parts that needs to be changed and that costs money that hot toys may or may not be willing to spend, hence not "easy" as just putting rivets on the chest.

Guesses based off facts = guess. My guess based on HT's past practices, while not as detailed, is just about as valid as yours, your highness.

 

[tdk5]

If they released a mark III then, would they release a mark III diecast now? Common sense.

You didn't reply my question either, as to why WM 2.0 was released so closely with Patriot, and original Marks II and III were released closely to each other.

 

[bransen2099]

If they released a mark III then, would they release a mark III diecast now? Common sense.

You didn't reply my question either, as to why WM 2.0 was released so closely with Patriot, and original Marks II and III were released closely to each other.

Somebody did answer this saying that the original 2 and 3 were from the same movie, why would they wait on releasing a figure while the hype is still there? It's like sending out winter soldier next year in stead of this month.

WM 2.0 was actually moved up in release date and eventually was the first diecast. Look at the numbering, it's D03, diecast 3. It's supposed to come out way after IP D01, but for complications, IP and 42 were pushed back and WM moved up.

 

[tdk5]

Somebody did answer this saying that the original 2 and 3 were from the same movie, why would they wait on releasing a figure while the hype is still there? It's like sending out winter soldier next year in stead of this month.

WM 2.0 was actually moved up in release date and eventually was the first diecast. Look at the numbering, it's D03, diecast 3. It's supposed to come out way after IP D01, but for complications, IP and 42 were pushed back and WM moved up.

I thought you guys said the manufacturing was too difficult? If it iwas that difficult why would they even bother? And WM 2.0 wasn't even in the movie, why would they risk all that costs for a figure that's not in the movie?

 

[LipSmack]

I thought you guys said the manufacturing was too difficult? If it iwas that difficult why would they even bother? And WM 2.0 wasn't even in the movie, why would they risk all that costs for a figure that's not in the movie?

Warmachine was originally in the movie, was cut but HT's already started developing it... mide as well put it out, was in the tie in comic too

 

[bransen2099]

I thought you guys said the manufacturing was too difficult? If it iwas that difficult why would they even bother? And WM 2.0 wasn't even in the movie, why would they risk all that costs for a figure that's not in the movie?

1. Because profit would be bigger than the costs.

2. Because it's easy, swap out the chest.

3. Not easier than making a MK2 from a MK3

 

[tdk5]

1. Because profit would be bigger than the costs.

2. Because it's easy, swap out the chest.

3. Not easier than making a MK2 from a MK3

How do you know the profit is bigger, than if they released a diecast II and III. You have sales, profits figures to back uo all that?
Oh, I thought u said retooling diecast, no matter how visually easy, is still difficult? Because of the position of said part on the moulds and all that?
If they did something not easy, i.e. Difficult, why would they not do something less difficult ,i.e. Easier? (According to you making a mark 2 from 3 is easier)

 

[tdk5]

Warmachine was originally in the movie, was cut but HT's already started developing it... mide as well put it out, was in the tie in comic too

Oh? I would have stopped it from going into production if i were afraid the figure wouldn't sell. After all, there was a 1 year gap between announcement and release.

 

[LipSmack]

Oh? I would have stopped it from going into production if i were afraid the figure wouldn't sell. After all, there was a 1 year gap between announcement and release.

that would be why you dont run the largest 1/6 company in the world...

no one said they feared it wouldnt sell, just explaining why it was made

 

[tdk5]

that would be why you dont run the largest 1/6 company in the world...

no one said they feared it wouldnt sell, just explaining why it was made

You said mark II won't be released because popularity is low. And how would hT even gauge the popularity of WM 2.0 if it's not even in the movie? Yet they still released it

The fact they had the courage to release WM 2.0, a figure not even found in the movie, and even Hot Rod, means HT would just about release anything that they believe will make them money.

 

[bransen2099]

How do you know the profit is bigger, than if they released a diecast II and III. You have sales, profits figures to back uo all that?
Oh, I thought u said retooling diecast, no matter how visually easy, is still difficult? Because of the position of said part on the moulds and all that?
If they did something not easy, i.e. Difficult, why would they not do something less difficult ,i.e. Easier? (According to you making a mark 2 from 3 is easier)

You asked, if it's to difficult why bother.
That's is my answer 1.

And it's simple math.

IP to WM2 swap out the chest, done.
Mk3 to Mk2 swap out chest, arms, legs, back yada yada yada.

Difficulty is relative, I just made something relative to eachother look at it, 1 part to change is easier than 10.

Nice try to deflect tho.