1/6 Hot Toys - MMS285 - Avengers: AOU - Hulkbuster

[Motuxmen]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - MMS - Avengers: AOU - Hulkbuster

Ultron is 5 inches taller than cap. Does not have a reused body. The way it is produced is a lot more complicated. Hot toys can afford to lower the profit margin on a figure like Cap because of the reused body and cheaper manufacturing costs.

 

[subzro]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - MMS - Avengers: AOU - Hulkbuster

Ultron is 5 inches taller than cap. Does not have a reused body. The way it is produced is a lot more complicated. Hot toys can afford to lower the profit margin on a figure like Cap because of the reused body and cheaper manufacturing costs.

So is Groot and he is $175 less than Ultron. SS General Grievous is a close comparison in size and is more complicated and is $125 less. I never complain about prices but Ultron is really overpriced unless they add something after the movie is released.

 

[DasMuse]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - MMS - Avengers: AOU - Hulkbuster

Ultron is 5 inches taller than cap. Does not have a reused body. The way it is produced is a lot more complicated. Hot toys can afford to lower the profit margin on a figure like Cap because of the reused body and cheaper manufacturing costs.

I gotta agree with you again... Although Groot is also a one off sculpt from top to bottom, it doesn't have anywhere near the complexity of ultron... Light up torso, head, forearms & biceps, not to mention the moving mouth (isn't that a first for HT?) Admittedly it's about $25 more than I expected but i'm not disappointed in the least.

 

[Invictus Sol]

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So is Groot and he is $175 less than Ultron. SS General Grievous is a close comparison in size and is more complicated and is $125 less. I never complain about prices but Ultron is really overpriced unless they add something after the movie is released.

I have Grievous but I wouldn't say he's as complex as Ultron. Ultron looks to be a far more substantial figure, more complex and with LED lighting. Groot is pretty simplistic compared to either Grievous or Ultron. I just don't find any of them to be apples to apples comparisons.

 

[subzro]

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I have Grievous but I wouldn't say he's as complex as Ultron. Ultron looks to be a far more substantial figure, more complex and with LED lighting. Groot is pretty simplistic compared to either Grievous or Ultron. I just don't find any of them to be apples to apples comparisons.

I have Grievous also and i do not see Ultron being anymore complex. I'm sure it will not have the articulation that Grievous has and LED lights would not add much to the cost. I will agree that Ultron will have thicker plastic. All i am saying is i do not see $100+ better in Ultron over similar sized figures. If i enjoy the movie i will probably pick it up but i could never defend the price.

Sorry to hijack the thread lets get back to Hulkbuster

 

[DBoz]

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not to mention the moving mouth (isn't that a first for HT?)

The T2 Endoskeleton had a moving mouth. And individually articulated fingers. It truly is an amazing feat of engineering. I'm surprised it doesn't get more love. Seems to be all but forgotten about.

 

[ronri]

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I have Grievous also and i do not see Ultron being anymore complex. I'm sure it will not have the articulation that Grievous has and LED lights would not add much to the cost. I will agree that Ultron will have thicker plastic. All i am saying is i do not see $100+ better in Ultron over similar sized figures. If i enjoy the movie i will probably pick it up but i could never defend the price.

Sorry to hijack the thread lets get back to Hulkbuster

Ultron aside, no offense but I always thought that Sideshow's Grievous was a pretty bad representation of how the character looked onscreen. The ball-jonted ankles look horrible, and he couldn't even hunch over which was like, you know, how he looked onscreen 90% of the time. Heck that photo isn't even doing the figure any favors with how awkwardly they posed him. So yeah if we're talking about price, Grievous being cheaper I can certainly understand in that regard.

 

[Motuxmen]

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So is Groot and he is $175 less than Ultron. SS General Grievous is a close comparison in size and is more complicated and is $125 less. I never complain about prices but Ultron is really overpriced unless they add something after the movie is released.

Well I was comparing him to the comment about Cap not got. But it's still more substantial then Groot. The layers and in cuts and angles are much more pronounced. That's where the complexity comes from.

Also, that comment I address was about how Cap costs more in the USA then Hong Kong. That is becuase of the size and weight.

As for grievous...I don't have the figure not have I seen much of it. But from that photo posted ultron is a much more complex figure. The Terminator endo does seem like a better comparison. But the terminator license is also going to cost 1/6 to 1/10 of what marvels avenger would. Not long ago you could buy the whole terminator film rights and catalog, and the price it went for shows how much less that property is worth. That also filters down to the licenses for collecting. Add that to a few more years of inflation and more established company and that could easily account for the difference.

 

[kevb0977]

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I don't think there's any need to try & justify the cost of Ultron or compare the cost of one figure to another, the price is what it is & will only change if they can't shift the figures later on down the road, just decide if you like it & want it, then all you have to do is decide if you want it straight away (ASAP) or if you can live without it & chance waiting for a price drop.

 

[Brainiac]

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oh sure the figure is more complex than Groot... but its almost twice the price. I'm betting that whoever sculpted Ultron and Groot, even if it was different people, got paid the same.

There is no justifying the price imo

 

[LipSmack]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - MMS - Avengers: AOU - Hulkbuster

oh sure the figure is more complex than Groot... but its almost twice the price. I'm betting that whoever sculpted Ultron and Groot, even if it was different people, got paid the same.

There is no justifying the price imo

both were likely 3d printed from the Legacy models and some one just went in and engineered the joints and hollows for the lights. Im sure it cost HT's a pretty penny, just have to wait and see how it goes. If the dollar was par I might consider buy it w/ reward points or something, the market is just terrible for international customers right now. we need a canadian distributor

 

[MegaPrime33]

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At this point in terms of HT I'm really only concerned now with HB. Given what we have seen with Thanos and Ultron, HB will be in the $900 range if not more I think. And for me that's too high out of my comfort zone to buy a toy for. It's a real shame too because I think with the recent price hikes HT is going to end up losing customers because of it. Maybe just maybe a deal can be had on these figures in the after market but who knows.

 

[Invictus Sol]

Re: 1/6 Hot Toys - MMS - Avengers: AOU - Hulkbuster

both were likely 3d printed from the Legacy models and some one just went in and engineered the joints and hollows for the lights. Im sure it cost HT's a pretty penny, just have to wait and see how it goes. If the dollar was par I might consider buy it w/ reward points or something, the market is just terrible for international customers right now. we need a canadian distributor

Toy Square is HT's distributor to Canada (or at least buy direct from HT, if what I've heard is correct). All their prices are in US, and any Canadian dollar prices I've seen elsewhere are adjusted to take into account the current exchange rate. Don't think Canada represents enough of a market to get any kind of break from HT.

 

[Brainiac]

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both were likely 3d printed from the Legacy models and some one just went in and engineered the joints and hollows for the lights. Im sure it cost HT's a pretty penny, just have to wait and see how it goes. If the dollar was par I might consider buy it w/ reward points or something, the market is just terrible for international customers right now. we need a canadian distributor

Yeah the ER is killer right now....

 

[Motuxmen]

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oh sure the figure is more complex than Groot... but its almost twice the price. I'm betting that whoever sculpted Ultron and Groot, even if it was different people, got paid the same.

There is no justifying the price imo

It's not justification. It's explanation

As for the sculptor getting paid the same...the cost isn't in the artist. Not the difference anyway. It's in the tooling and molds and assembly and paint. Groot has around 10-15 parts. Each part is placed in a parts tree and the tooling is for each tree. Go high end and say 5 parts trees. A figure like iron man or ultron has around 100 parts. Each pieces has to be handled individually and painted individually.

When I said its the in cuts and all that stuff I mentioned before..that wasn't to say the person sculpting it gets paid more. It's to point out that the tooling is more complex. The more tooling the more expensive the figure will be. Tooling is usually the most expensive part of a figure. With this company tooling and licenses will be close costs depending on the figure and movie.

 

[Abrissbirne]

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At this point in terms of HT I'm really only concerned now with HB. Given what we have seen with Thanos and Ultron, HB will be in the $900 range if not more I think. And for me that's too high out of my comfort zone to buy a toy for. It's a real shame too because I think with the recent price hikes HT is going to end up losing customers because of it. Maybe just maybe a deal can be had on these figures in the after market but who knows.

True. At least they take care of the Marvel license. Chewy and Han both look terrible. For figures over 200$ each, the likeness should always be spot on.

 

[WhoaItsJBot]

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True. At least they take care of the Marvel license. Chewy and Han both look terrible. For figures over 200$ each, the likeness should always be spot on.

I've been a Star Wars fan since I was 12, and yet I have no desire to get any of the figures. Maybe once they move on from ANH I'll have more interest.

 

[afattori]

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True. At least they take care of the Marvel license. Chewy and Han both look terrible. For figures over 200$ each, the likeness should always be spot on.

Seriously? You want to see terrible then look at the 1:6 Chewie and Han I had as a kid in the 70's. Sometimes you younger guys expectations are ridiculous and unrealistic. People bitched for a 1:6 Chewie and finally get one and then nitpick the hell out of it. Make a better one then at home. Until then, at least we are finally getting him instead of having to glue hair on the plastic Hasbro one.

 

[afattori]

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I've been a Star Wars fan since I was 12, and yet I have no desire to get any of the figures. Maybe once they move on from ANH I'll have more interest.

I have been a fan since 1977 and only ones considering and probably passing on for now is Vader and Ben. I have SSC both Vader's and Guiness Ben. Why do you have no desire to get them? Do you all ready have the SSC versions also?

 

[WhoaItsJBot]

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I have been a fan since 1977 and only ones considering and probably passing on for now is Vader and Ben. I have SSC both Vader's and Guiness Ben. Why do you have no desire to get them? Do you all ready have the SSC versions also?

I don't have any of the SSC versions. I'll wait until they do ROTJ then I'll be in for Palpatine, Jedi Luke, and ROTJ Vader. Darth Maul and Yoda/Palpatine from the prequels. Not really interested in any of the ANH figures.