1/6 Hot Toys - MMS352 - Terminator Genisys: Endoskeleton Collectible Figure

[P.]

anyway. I am buying it

oh, you were just looking for a reason? just buy it if you have money and be happy i understand you can spend that kind of expenses, judging by prices you pay for custom projects that i love, too, but cannot convince myselft to purchase
i bought it too at first, but i am so tired of midget predators and robocops from HT that a giant terminator was too much. might still buy it back if the price is about $200 or somebody discovers a way to sorten it by removing some spine sections and shortening hydraulics rods in legs, for example. could even put it into this pose to hight the height

but i was too angry about the price when i got to know about height issue.

i just answered your question that there was no concept of "bigger, cooler skeletons designed for field combat only". who says that terminators didn't vary in height? for all i know, series 800 could only mean the construction/alloy/neuroprocessor variant. newest, toughest.
just vary the bones length on a factory and get several heights. the only reason why T2 looked like T1 was because JC took T2 from the same row in a storage organized by 10 identical terminators in a row, where one was already missing (T1). originally it really had to look the same, including haircut (on sketches), but then it was changed for some reason.

(and by the way that's how they should be stored - probably intravenously fed, going through regular maintenance judging by maintenance path in front of them, digitally connected, not hanging in a slaughterhouse, by Genisys standart)

but Genisys model wouldn't work for a 800 series in original universe, as it has less plating, more exposed details, and so fits a description of some previous variant - 600 or 700.

 

[Plastic Bateman]

It's a crying shame Cameron never got to shoot that extended prologue, the storyboards and concept art always looked amazing to me.

On the subject of the Genisysysys endo, did it annoy anyone else just how easily Reese finished it off in the 1980's section of the film? Pretty much the only parts of Salvation and this film that I liked were the scenes where the T800 endo shows up, and both times they ruined it by having the protagonist decapitate it in some utterly bull**** manner. I think film producers, in their quest to top what has come before, fail to grasp just how terrifying an indestructible metal skeleton covered in meat pretending to be human is - especially with modern-day effects allowing it to be seen moving full-frame. I'd honestly like to see the next Terminator film, if it happens, go back to having a just a T800 (or T800s) as the villain(s).

 

[kam veitch]

The problem is that I dont have any other Endoskeleton, and I am not going to get and old one, so this will work for now. The old one is overpriced and a bit toyish. I had a t-700 but end up selling it. On the other hand, if this one sells good (not gonna happen because of the poor asian sales), an T1/T2 endo might end up happening.

 

[Jameson Rook]

It's a crying shame Cameron never got to shoot that extended prologue, the storyboards and concept art always looked amazing to me.

On the subject of the Genisysysys endo, did it annoy anyone else just how easily Reese finished it off in the 1980's section of the film? Pretty much the only parts of Salvation and this film that I liked were the scenes where the T800 endo shows up, and both times they ruined it by having the protagonist decapitate it in some utterly bull**** manner. I think film producers, in their quest to top what has come before, fail to grasp just how terrifying an indestructible metal skeleton covered in meat pretending to be human is - especially with modern-day effects allowing it to be seen moving full-frame. I'd honestly like to see the next Terminator film, if it happens, go back to having a just a T800 (or T800s) as the villain(s).

The very concept of a Terminator facing cyborg opposition is beyond stupid. They're programmed for specific missions, and they don't comprehend facing other Terminators (unless programmed to like Uncle Bob and the T-1000).

In the TV show, there's this scene where a Terminator bumps into another Terminator and they get into a brief scuffle, and what does he do? He runs away, simply because of the confusion of it finding out it's being attacked by another cyborg, and retreats in order to avoid damage (Like Arnold did with the police in T1). What does this young Arnold do when faced with an older version of himself? He puts on a sour face and proceeds to try to beat the living crap out of Pops.

 

[Alice]

no. because skeletons aren't needed for combat and aren't made for it.
and aren't used for it.

I really wish Cameron had either had a quick bit of dialogue to explain this or maybe some text on screen like T1. I think it's a really important part of the mythos, and it kinda slips by people, because 99% of people haven't read the official novelization or the script. I'm glad you're here, because it means I don't have to repeat myself as much.

On the subject of the Genisysysys endo, did it annoy anyone else just how easily Reese finished it off in the 1980's section of the film?

Yeah, along with the fact that in every movie the T-800 miraculously gets stronger. Everything post T2 has them basically having Superman strength, ripping doors off of safes (John had to hack the Cyberdyne key safe) or just punching through steel doors (The endo in T1 had to shoulder check the factory door several times to get it open, and Arnie in T2 had to use the grenade launcher on the Cyberdyne door). But, then, even though they're way stronger than Cameron Terminators, they always seem to be treated as no real threat and get slapped around, or outright dispatched, way easier than the "weaker" counterparts. The Cameron movies were just way more grounded, and all the other movies have been typical "bigger and badder" Hollywood types with stonger Terminators/weaker Terminators purely for plot convenience.

might still buy it back if the price is about $200 or somebody discovers a way to sorten it by removing some spine sections and shortening hydraulics rods in legs, for example.

I'm pretty sure all of the height problems are in the super-long thighs. The only way I can see fixing it is to do some non-reversible mods. I'd recast them, trim them down a few millimeters and replace them. I'm thinking of doing the same thing on my 1/4 endo biceps, because, judging from source material, the biceps are way longer than they should be, and are a big part of the monkey arm problem the figure has.

 

[FACEBOX]

What I've come to realize is that the movie titles and use of the Terminator models has confused many of what the "Future War" actually was.

People forget about the "Hunter Killers", which were SkyNet's true soldiers.
The term Terminator was meant only to designate the infiltration/assassination units. (The Endos)
All others like the HK tanks, Arial HK's and even the miss-designated MotoTerminators from Terminator Salvation and T-1 from Terminator 3 should all be "Hunter Killers". Far more common on the battleground than Endoskeletons.

 

[a-dev]

It's a crying shame Cameron never got to shoot that extended prologue, the storyboards and concept art always looked amazing to me.

On the subject of the Genisysysys endo, did it annoy anyone else just how easily Reese finished it off in the 1980's section of the film? Pretty much the only parts of Salvation and this film that I liked were the scenes where the T800 endo shows up, and both times they ruined it by having the protagonist decapitate it in some utterly bull**** manner. I think film producers, in their quest to top what has come before, fail to grasp just how terrifying an indestructible metal skeleton covered in meat pretending to be human is - especially with modern-day effects allowing it to be seen moving full-frame. I'd honestly like to see the next Terminator film, if it happens, go back to having a just a T800 (or T800s) as the villain(s).

Alien Covenant has a similar problem made worse by it being a ''prequel'' - where if you actually take it as canon and watch it in chronological sequence with the original film, you're going to see the primary threat of the 1979 film being dispatched in mere minutes in a ''previous'' film.

 

[Sardo Numspa]

To me, the Terminator films are like the Star Wars films, in that I don't read the novelizations, comics, or anything else. For me, if it wasn't on screen (or in deleted scenes), then it's not canon. I just go by Reese's description of the future world in the first film. So I agree, the T800 is supposed to be a new infiltration unit, hard to spot, and difficult to destroy. BUT, it only seemed difficult "with these weapons" (meaning 1980's handguns and shotguns). It sounded like Reese had had experience destroying T800s, so maybe they weren't that difficult to destroy with their future weapons ("ray-guns?").
The only justification I can allow for the changes in the design, is that the future has changed due to the events in the first 3 movies, and therefore the designs are slightly different in Genisys.
I'm still on the fence with this purchase. I think the figure looks fantastic. Like everyone, I'd prefer a T1 endo, but this looks great as figures go. But after seeing the height discrepancy, I couldn't pull the trigger as that height would throw off the display. But HT probably won't make a T1 or T2 Endo. Hot Toys is an Asian company, making products for the Asian market. It was likely the first Terminator movie released in China (actually, first Hollywood movie to make $100M in China), so it is logical from a business point of view to make figures from this line. Quite frankly, without the nostalgia or history, the first Terminator movie would probably look like an old B-Movie to a lot of younger viewers.
Such a dilemma!!! Maybe HT will surprise me, and make a T1 Endo... to match the 238 (which I know a lot of people hate on this forum, but I love it)

 

[predarnold]

I think it means he's one of the dummies you see waiting in line for new iphones.

They get paid for waiting in lines. $2000-3000. Not bad for doing nothing.

 

[rivera2171]

Still getting this. I have no other Terminator paraphernalia to display it against so his height is irrelevant to me. He will be a stand alone piece. Besides even if HT made a T1/T2 endo, you know they would still **** it up somehow...

 

[jki&Cri]

It should be here tomorrow...

 

[snoop101]

Still getting this. I have no other Terminator paraphernalia to display it against so his height is irrelevant to me. He will be a stand alone piece. Besides even if HT made a T1/T2 endo, you know they would still **** it up somehow...

My thoughts exactly. They're done with Terminator anyway. They've made it abundantly clear that they're strictly in the Disney/superhero business now. It's this 1/6 endo or nothing.

 

[Thainitty]

I likevthe look of this figure and am eager for sideshow to ship him...he will displayed with robo cop and chappie below my t1 and 2 stuff

 

[P.]

All others like the HK tanks, Arial HK's and even the miss-designated MotoTerminators from Terminator Salvation and T-1 from Terminator 3 should all be "Hunter Killers". Far more common on the battleground than Endoskeletons.

don't forget these. they were imagined for original movies.

To me, the Terminator films are like the Star Wars films, in that I don't read the novelizations, comics, or anything else. For me, if it wasn't on screen (or in deleted scenes), then it's not canon. I just go by Reese's description of the future world in the first film. So I agree, the T800 is supposed to be a new infiltration unit, hard to spot, and difficult to destroy. BUT, it only seemed difficult "with these weapons" (meaning 1980's handguns and shotguns). It sounded like Reese had had experience destroying T800s, so maybe they weren't that difficult to destroy with their future weapons ("ray-guns?").

rewatch the future bunker scene. a squad of armed soldiers return to a fortified bunker with big guns on entrance - and the whole bunker is wiped out. not that he is invulnerable, but he's fast and confuses all resistance with the persistence of his attacks.
and that terminator wasn't destroyed because it had to reappear in T2 future scene. (though it could be meant just the same appearance)

 

[jacerc130]

don't forget these. they were imagined for original movies.

rewatch the future bunker scene. a squad of armed soldiers return to a fortified bunker with big guns on entrance - and the whole bunker is wiped out. not that he is invulnerable, but he's fast and confuses all resistance with the persistence of his attacks.
and that terminator wasn't destroyed because it had to reappear in T2 future scene. (though it could be meant just the same appearance)

agreed, I think the terminator was difficult to destroy even in the future but not impossible. I believe Reese was trying to convey his uncertainty if the Terminator could even be destroyed with "these weapons" meaning 1980's. Rightly so as hand guns and shotguns would do nothing to an endoskeleton.

 

[P.]

i believe the biggest problem in future fights with a terminator was that
- it enters the hideout crowded with people
- "ray guns" don't stop it, and you cannot blow it with a bomb, like a hunter-killer tank, or with a rocket, like an aerial HK, exactly because there are lots of people there, and the whole thing would just collapse all over their heads! see how fast he took out gun operators and moved deeper into the bunker.

note how different their movements are in 1984/1994 and in 2029.
one moves like a tank, straight torso, head turning like on tank HK, every hand like those HK's side guns.
another sits deeper, turns and moves much faster, keeps a low profile. of course it had another goal - exterminate everybody and not just Sarah, but still i think it's visible that it doesnt just walk towards possibly dangerous big gun.
compare it also to calm walk of T2 towards SWAT squad. both T1 and T2 were absolutely unafraid of any damaged from armed humans, while it seems that future terminator behaved differently.

 

[FACEBOX]

i believe the biggest problem in future fights with a terminator was that
- it enters the hideout crowded with people
- "ray guns" don't stop it, and you cannot blow it with a bomb, like a hunter-killer tank, or with a rocket, like an aerial HK, exactly because there are lots of people there, and the whole thing would just collapse all over their heads! see how fast he took out gun operators and moved deeper into the bunker.

note how different their movements are in 1984/1994 and in 2029.
one moves like a tank, straight torso, head turning like on tank HK, every hand like those HK's side guns.
another sits deeper, turns and moves much faster, keeps a low profile. of course it had another goal - exterminate everybody and not just Sarah, but still i think it's visible that it doesnt just walk towards possibly dangerous big gun.
compare it also to calm walk of T2 towards SWAT squad. both T1 and T2 were absolutely unafraid of any damaged from armed humans, while it seems that future terminator behaved differently.

In the T2 scene, the T800 does a Threat Assessment and calculates the risk of potential damage right before he proceeds toward the SWAT guys.
The display also lists the parameters of its mission, that includes a "Termination Override". This is due to J.C. ordering the T800 in a previous scene "not to kill anyone".
The parameters only allow the T800 to "disable targets only". This is also displayed briefly on the screen.

I believe that had it not been for John's priority override, the T800 would have blown the SWAT team up at a distance using its grenade launcher in an effort to preserve itself.

 

[P.]

good notice, but that was not my point. i meant how a terminator reacts to humans around him, based on their weapons.
T1 and T2 didn't care about possible damage and moved smoothly and not so fast, while future terminator definitely took some ninja movements - fast and rapid, on bent knees.
my point was that future terminator expected very possible damage and tried to prevent any aiming, keeping low profile and eliminating anybody with a gun immediately on sight, which means future people possessed ways to take him out of action (not just damage), while T1 and T2 didn't. T2 wasn't afraid of getting non-functional in that scene, or he wouldn't do it, as his goal is not fulfilled. T1 wasn't, too. future terminator was.
and all that was about "are terminators destructible in future"

 

[FACEBOX]

good notice, but that was not my point. i meant how a terminator reacts to humans around him, based on their weapons.
T1 and T2 didn't care about possible damage and moved smoothly, while future terminator definitely took some ninja movements - fast and rapid, on bent knees.
my point was that future terminator expected possible damage and tried to prevent any aiming, keeping low profile and eliminating anybody with a gun immediately on sight, while T1 and T2 didn't try to prevent anything.
and all that was about "are terminators destructible in future"

Oh, I understand.
I was simply trying to imply that a Terminator might react similarly (evasive) in the past as well if one would aim a rocket launcher at it. However, it's impervious to regular gunfire.

In one of the futurewar scenes in T2, we also see a downed Endo get taken out by a few plasma shot of a resistance fighter.

All in all, I'm agreeing with you.
The terminators behave differently based on the threat and mission priority.

 

[a-dev]

Sad that from T3 on they just stopped thinking about it this carefully without Cameron to maintain any consistency or realism. Suddenly all that mattered was DUN DUN DUNDUNDUN!! YEAHH TERMINATOR!!!! HEY AHNULD DO MORE SMILE GAGS!