1/6 Hot Toys - MMS352 - Terminator Genisys: Endoskeleton Collectible Figure

[fatmarco]

I do wonder sometimes why we can allow for different looking predators but every Terminator Endo has to be the same? I feel like it's fine to have variation versions of the Endo, even if it's a T-800 b or what have you.

Just to clarify, are the Terminator Endos in Genisys specifically T-800s? It's alright if these are just a variation seen in the future scenes, though it'd be stupid if this was also the machine underneath Arnold's Terminator.

Finally, hot take. I think Terminator 3 had the best looking Endos.

 

[Alice]

I do wonder sometimes why we can allow for different looking predators but every Terminator Endo has to be the same? I feel like it's fine to have variation versions of the Endo, even if it's a T-800 b or what have you.

Because predator's are organic life forms. Terminator's are machines produced in a factory. Machines of a specific model are going to look like the other machines of the same model. Same reason a 2017 Corvette looks, basically, like every other 2017 Corvette. Sure, you can say they can be different like an iPhone 8 and an iPhone 8S or whatever, but Cameron seemed to insinuate that Skynet models went in increments of 100 (T-600, T-800, T-1000). It wasn't until the non-Cameron entries that we started getting things like T-850, T-888, T-1001, T-X, T-RIP etc.

Just to clarify, are the Terminator Endos in Genisys specifically T-800s? It's alright if these are just a variation seen in the future scenes, though it'd be stupid if this was also the machine underneath Arnold's Terminator.

They're T-800s from the alternate future that Genisys takes place in, so that's what all T-800s look like, and is indeed what is under Arnold's skin in Genisys.

Finally, hot take. I think Terminator 3 had the best looking Endos.

Personally not a fan of the fat CGI T-850s with baby teeth.

 

[P.]

Alice
after analysing the scenes you recommended and things you said, here are my thoughts.

on a little doll (used for stop motion scenes) that is used when a terminator goes in the corridor (right before Sarah and Kyle shut the door) the parts don't move. but the torso easily bends/swings forward and backward. same happens later, when the doll is filmed from the back.

then there is that scene that you mention - where obviously hollow parts move independently, and they move not by terminator's will but by a pipe bomb.

i think it's well seen here that they are not supposed to bend. plus it's very well seen in movement that they are hollow.
that gave me an idea... what about those things aren't spine but are just armor?

then there are these shots:

1) a part of spine with a hole in it lies near Sarah's hand.

2) spine stripped of plates. control and power cables only! of course there can be something in the middle, but anyway those spine plates are not part of movement mechanims, i'm sure of it now.

neck is debatable, but that part should definitely have some inner core/rod, or terminator's head would depend only on two thin hydraulics that actually cannot even hold the head straight, if there is no third rod.

i think it's best to assume that such rod is also present inside the torso's spine - for the same reason. a terminator wouldn' be able to properly operate his body on only two hydraulics (like Cain in Robocop 2, who had 4 of them and no spine column at all, only control cables).

so a properly supporting but at the same time bending system inside spine armor plates is what i think now.

so... an original terminator has a fortified spine with really thick plates covering it, while Gynysys model has it all outside - and thus looking a lot thinner.

what its author thought to be an improvement turns out to be a worse model (just like you said) - it has no plating over mechanics.

i'm so sad that new terminator's height is so out of scale. this new detail goes perfectly with all other exposed mechanics into my now abandoned idea of using it as a more fragile, less dangerous T-700 series from Reese thoughts in the novel.

also now Cameron's sketch is more clear: plates, not actual mechanics.
i don't know how i forgot about those plates with holes in them (the one near Sarah's hand) after using them in exactly that manner on my blown-up T-800.

p.s.

Spoiler

 

[RIDDICK]

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Found this on facebook.

Pffff...

Man, what the actual ****?
How could they **** it up so bad???

 

[Alice]

Alice

Yeah. The fact that they are more or less there for armour is what I was getting at. They have a little play in them for the movement of the torso by the two bigger hydraulics on the sides. I imagine the stabilizer inside the vertebra is less a rod and more likely a flexible type thick cable (or cables) like the bendable neck on some desk lamps. Maybe that's what one (or some) of the thicker cables are that are hanging out of the endo's torso at the end of T1.

It would seem that a non-fully functioning spine would also be to Skynet's benefit. You can have machines that can easily repair themselves if there are less complex parts without the need for specialized tools (as seen in the repair scene in T1 as well). The Genisys design seems more complex and more fragile with more parts to cause unnecessary problems. I think Cameron had it right to begin with by designing it simple, yet efficient. Sort of like an old muscle car from the 60s. The newer cars may have tons of new attributes, onboard computers etc., but it's just more parts you may have problems with, where older cars can easily be fixed without having to take them to a specialized mechanic.

 

[RIDDICK]

The genysis endoskeleton looks way more badass than the original.

https://youtu.be/PeUYSWGYRRs?t=11s

 

[P.]

if there is just a flexible cable inside, then plates support each other by relying on their shape, clicking into each other by gravity but moved towards each other if needed, led by two sides hydraulics. what happens when a doll limps proves that scheme. that walking scene clearly showed that the plates pyramid doesn't bend, but the torso does.
so the torso doesn't crash down, as it rests on those plates slightly clicked into each other, but they don't move it. and that is the third support point needed in every balance system.

(exactly like on this pic, where are no hydraulics but the torso stands)

same for the neck.
and, as far as i know, this system goes through the whole body. it's seen on some shots of skeleton 1:1s.

ha! that means that skeleton repeats human construction. our spines don't have muscles inside them as well, they are just plates covering spinal brain and nerves, resting on each other (with gristles between them of course). all movement is done by surrounding muscles - same as on a terminator.
and radically different from Genisys system.

that spine design system bothered me for a long time, but thanks to this thread i understood how it worked.

 

[a-dev]

The genysis endoskeleton looks way more badass than the original.

i comlpletely agree with both "bad" and "ass" parts.

 

[predarnold]

Original is like the first iphone and Genisys is like the iphone 7

 

[Mr. EcKo]

Wow the height on this is almost the same height as the T600 from salvation . what a joke. Thanks for posting that side-by-side comparison .
because it would make it look real goofy in my cabinet with a Terminator with no muscle or skin on it to be taller than the Terminator T800 Arnold raaooow

 

[RIDDICK]

Original is like the first iphone and Genisys is like the iphone 7

I don't get what's this fart of a comparison mean...

 

[P.]

I don't get what's this fart of a comparison mean...

that he has an iphone?

 

[Madball]

It means the original used to be cool until the more badass capable sleek looking upgrade came in which is genysis

 

[P.]

but there was no badass, capable or sleek looking upgrade in gynysys.
there was a dumber, weaker and more vulnerable thing there. a classic terminator cleared a bunker with a squad of soldiers and suffered no damage. gynysys terminators were wiped out in great numbers by same soldiers, both due to their lack of understanding the situation and their high vulnerability. their programming is weak (like iphone, yes), their bodies are fragile (again like iphone).
oh, and one of them died for no reason from a shot into a shoulder joint. even humans don't die from that immediately.

looks like that they were so dumb that skynet didn't even care to use them for what they were meant to be - infiltrators. they worked in prison camps... fulfilling the role of missing prisoners. like a punishment for their inability to do anything else.

 

[The Skull]

Wow the height on this is almost the same height as the T600 from salvation . what a joke. Thanks for posting that side-by-side comparison .
because it would make it look real goofy in my cabinet with a Terminator with no muscle or skin on it to be taller than the Terminator T800 Arnold raaooow

 

[Alice]

I don't get what's this fart of a comparison mean...

I think it means he's one of the dummies you see waiting in line for new iphones.

 

[kam veitch]

Have you thought that maybe there are many kind of eskeletons. Some to combat in the future warzone with no disguise (taller and the one they made) and others to be covered in flesh an be sent to the past or as infiltrators in the future.

 

[KingCharMing]

You guys ***** too much. I for one welcome our new mini genisys overlords


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[P.]

Have you thought that maybe there are many kind of eskeletons. Some to combat in the future warzone with no disguise (taller and the one they made) and others to be covered in flesh an be sent to the past or as infiltrators in the future.

no. because skeletons aren't needed for combat and aren't made for it.
and aren't used for it.
they are specifically designed to disguise like humans and get where other machines, made for combat, cannot get because they would be spotted and avoided.
there were more of those combat machines in original Cameron's T2 beginning.
the T2 filmed future sequence with skeletons walking around was about Skynet defeat, where it took everything left out of bunkers, including unprepared terminators, and sent them to field in last attempt to stop humans from taking its main facility and turning off its main processor. JC there, watching the battlefield, was watching the final assault before taking the main complex, discovering the time displacement equipment and sending his father and another terminator back, based on his own memories and now causing them. that's what it's about. that was an act of desperation from Skynet, not everyday tactics.
and terminators were never made to be sent into past. they were made to come closer to hideouts where another machine cannot get unspotted.

nothing about "battle high skeletons" and "smaller disguised skeletons" was there. the only reason there were skeletons was to get into human hideouts as a human.
there were series. 600, 800 and obviously 700. 600 used rubber cover and so weren't good as infiltrators, they probably reached the enters of hideouts and were taken out .
the 700 series is mentioned only in Reese memories in a novel, but as the novel was written by a person who took part in movie making and wasn't disproved by Cameron immediately, one can take it as canon. the 700s already used live color but weren't too tough, Reese hoped that the one they sent was 700 - and so he could take it out by 80s weapons. "but these are new" (c). tough, invulnerable, dangerous even by 2029s standarts - and probably not used widely yet. they worked on learning neuroprocessors, which have to be taught for an amount of time rather then just programmed in half an hour, and that's another reason why there couldn't be many of them. of course Skynet sent its best. in first variants of scripts Reese was frightened to **** when he understood what he had to deal with.

no mentions of different 800 series, "bigger, cooler" neither by him, who took part in battles, nor by a T-800 cyborg who had databases on Skynet's weaponry and units. if there were such models, one of them would be the one sent to 1984.

 

[kam veitch]

no. because skeletons aren't needed for combat and aren't made for it.
and aren't used for it.
they are specifically designed to disguise like humans and get where other machines, made for combat, cannot get because they would be spotted and avoided.
there were more of those combat machines in original Cameron's T2 beginning.
the T2 filmed future sequence with skeletons walking around was about Skynet defeat, where it took everything left out of bunkers, including unprepared terminators, and sent them to field in last attempt to stop humans from taking its main facility and turning off its main processor. JC there, watching the battlefield, was watching the final assault before taking the main complex, discovering the time displacement equipment and sending his father and another terminator back, based on his own memories and now causing them. that's what it's about. that was an act of desperation from Skynet, not everyday tactics.
and terminators were never made to be sent into past. they were made to come closer to hideouts where another machine cannot get unspotted.

Not gonna discuss with you, because I know you are a Terminator expert and you conviced me with those arguments

anyway. I am buying it