vaanrose
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I would say Reeves/Dano's Riddler may be even farther removed from its source than Nolan/Ledger's Joker.
But of the two representations, I like Ledger's Joker best as a villain and Bat-villain.
In that dark, hard-edged world, Riddler would likely be my 2nd favorite incarnation. Which is the best I was hoping for out of The Batman.
Zoe's Catwoman is light-years better that Anne Hathaway's.
Ledger's Joker is the leading example of how deviating from the source material can be a good thing, actually. Every change they made was in service to the themes of the character and elevated it beyond what a straight adaptation would look like. I nevertheless still want to see the Mark Hamill style thing attempted in live action, though. Unlike most I'm really not tired of seeing Joker on screen, he's a versatile, highly malleable character.
Dano's Riddler deviates more than Ledger's Joker but it works really well within the context of the film.
The changes made to Dano's Riddler fundamentally alter who the character is, in a way the changes to Ledger's Joker didn't, but I actually really liked what they came up with. Riddler's archetype, of the too clever by half genius criminal who leaves taunting clues at his crime scenes, has become a well worn cliche in crime drama. A straight adaptation runs the risk of being played out and uninteresting as a result.
So instead he's been redesigned as a guy who sees himself as an ally to the Batman's cause, and so leaves coded messages to Batman that he figures only Batman is capable of fully understanding. It completely inverts the character but in a way I find really clever and it was one of the smarter choices in the whole film, imo.
I'm less jazzed about the actual costume design of the character, which I think leans way too hard into the zodiac thing, but eh
So instead he's been redesigned as a guy who sees himself as an ally to the Batman's cause, and so leaves coded messages to Batman that he figures only Batman is capable of fully understanding. It completely inverts the character but in a way I find really clever and it was one of the smarter choices in the whole film, imo.
I'm less jazzed about the actual costume design of the character, which I think leans way too hard into the zodiac thing, but eh