12 shot dead at movie theater

[Star Puffs]

Kind of a fine line though, don't you think? I mean do we really need to get technical about it? He terrorized innocent people with a senseless and cowardice act of violence. At least that's how I see it.

I just wish one day our governments would set "pride in the system" aside and make examples of these people. I really do. This news literally made me sad all day.

My top priority is prevention, not the appropriate punishment.

In that regard, we really do need to "get technical about it". The process by which you identify a loner sociopath is not going to be the same as the one where you identify a member of a dangerous ideological group. Whilst probably all of these loner killers are bona fide sociopaths, many ideologically-driven terrorists are not, in fact they appear to be well-integrated and well-adjusted members of society (e.g. 7/7 bombers).

 

[Darth Cruel]

I agree with this. And I like to add that if there are multiple people carrying guns and start shooting back, there is high chances that some or all of them would mistaken others as the shooter or the shooters accomplice and go on to shoot themselves.

If there were multiple concealed carriers in that theater and they all acted against the shooter...there is a very, very little chance...in the extreme... that the concealed carriers would have shot anyone other than the shooter.

The argument that a CC would have done more harm than good simply can not be supported by fact and example.

The statistics will speak for themselves. But if you take the time to learn what a CC trains for and mix in how people would be reacting in the situation...you would understand a little more clearly. This point has become a rallying cry for gun haters. But it has little merit. Even articles that are actually about concealed carriers acting against attackers and written by gun haters can't come up with much in the way of examples to support the claim.

 

[plasmid303]

Christopher Nolan's statement on the event at the Aurora:

"Speaking on behalf of the cast and crew of 'The Dark Knight Rises', I would like to express our profound sorrow at the senseless tragedy that has befallen the entire Aurora community.

I would not presume to know anything about the victims of the shooting but that they were there last night to watch a movie. I believe movies are one of the great American art forms and the shared experience of watching a story unfold on screen is an important and joyful pastime.

The movie theatre is my home, and the idea that someone would violate that innocent and hopeful place in such an unbearably savage way is devastating to me.

Nothing any of us can say could ever adequately express our feelings for the innocent victims of this appalling crime, but our thoughts are with them and their families."

 

[The Ween]

Watching local dc NBC. Bought legally..no background check.

They checked his background for priors (it can be done electronically), and he had none. His records were clean other than a traffic ticket.

 

[Star Puffs]

Ok. How do you pick out which of your regular customers is the crazy one that needs police attention?

Like I said earlier, require psychological screenings or background checks. Some sociopaths are clever of glib enough to fake their way past such a barrier, but I have faith that many could be caught just by talking to them or others.

It sounds like this monster's own mother would have probably advised against him being allowed to own firearms.

Seriously how many of us have worked with 'that guy' whom we nervously joked they would come back and shoot us all?

 

[devilof76]

Maybe I'm that guy at work. Except that I'm not, and I'm not sure I want anyone looking at me and deciding that, in their expert opinion, I am.

They checked his background for priors (it can be done electronically), and he had none. His records were clean other than a traffic ticket.

So there you have it. If you have a traffic ticket, then you can't buy a gun. Ounce of prevention.

 

[The Mike]

So, is this ****** considered a terrorist then?

Given the definition of a terrorist is to incite terror and stocks fell for some of the major theater companies and people were quoted in saying they were afraid to go the theater and some were saying that they would avoid this film, then I would say yes.

He ran out of bullets and then went back to his truck to wait for the cops. He surrendered immediately.

What odd behavior, you go in and you create havoc, kill and then calmly go back to your truck and wait for the police? There is a huge part of this puzzle missing. When you have a Pre-Med student dropping out of college a month ago, yet bought these weapons before that point, ****y-trapped his apartment and then did this kind of act only to wait to be apprehended?

 

[jimmie_dimmick]

Chris Rock said it best. "we don't need gun control; we need bullet control...make them cost $50,000 each. No more innocent victims; no more drive byes. If someone gets shot, you know that Mother F-er did something to piss someone off!"

 

[The Ween]

yea, i guess im missing whatever it is youre trying to say.

it wouldnt have deterred it, it wouldnt have ended it quicker, it wouldnt have saved lives and would more likely COST lives.......so i guess i just dont get it.

and to compare this to a revenge or drive by shooting, well.........*one of these things is not like the other*

Nope, you don't get it.

And I didn't compare it to a drive by!!!

 

[VASith]

They checked his background for priors (it can be done electronically), and he had none. His records were clean other than a traffic ticket.

Then why was he buying all those guns? Don't need 4 guns to shoot a deer or a bird.

Not picking a fight with u ween..u know me. but this should have been flagged as suspicious. If someone wants to buy 45 pistols and 25 rifles would someone question it? Where do we draw the line? This guy was allowed to buy 4 guns and killed 14 people. We have to do better. We have the infrastructure and technology to do better.

 

[Darth Cruel]

yea, i guess im missing whatever it is youre trying to say.

it wouldnt have deterred it, it wouldnt have ended it quicker, it wouldnt have saved lives and would more likely COST lives.......so i guess i just dont get it.

and to compare this to a revenge or drive by shooting, well.........*one of these things is not like the other*

Can you actually back these points up with any kind of proof?

 

[devilof76]

What odd behavior, you go in and you create havoc, kill and then calmly go back to your truck and wait for the police? There is a huge part of this puzzle missing. When you have a Pre-Med student dropping out of college a month ago, yet bought these weapons before that point, ****y-trapped his apartment and then did this kind of act only to wait to be apprehended?

Pre-med neurology student. You have to be insanely smart even to fail at that.

 

[Darth Cruel]

Then why was he buying all those guns? Don't need 4 guns to shoot a deer or a bird.

Not picking a fight with u ween..u know me. but this should have been flagged as suspicious. If someone wants to buy 45 pistols and 25 rifles would someone question it? Where do we draw the line? This guy was allowed to buy 4 guns and killed 14 people. We have to do better. We have the infrastructure and technology to do better.

For the simple sake of accuracy, it was 12 people.


I am just kind of retentive about details like that.

 

[Star Puffs]

Can you actually back these points up with any kind of proof?

Just look at multiple police shootings in America, where highly trained officers send a barrage of poorly aimed bullets in a panic.

You expect me to believe concealed carry Internet Tough Guy™ will, when surprised by a shock attack in the middle of a darkened theatre, cleanly cap the assailant in the head with one or two shots.

 

[The Ween]

Then why was he buying all those guns? Don't need 4 guns to shoot a deer or a bird.

Not picking a fight with u ween..u know me. but this should have been flagged as suspicious. If someone wants to buy 45 pistols and 25 rifles would someone question it? Where do we draw the line? This guy was allowed to buy 4 guns and killed 14 people. We have to do better. We have the infrastructure and technology to do better.

I know you're not.

I guess because he can legally do it in that state. I don't know. I'm sure this will change the gun laws, at least in that state.

I think things like this are going to happen no matter what you do. If people are nuts enough, they'll get the weapons. I'm sure he could easily go to Mexico and get them.

I'm not crazy about anyone being able to buy anything that a cop can't legally carry, but this guy could've easily walked in with a hunting rifle only and killed several people. Or lobbed some kind of bomb and took even more people out. I don't think we can defend ourselves very well against CRAZY.

 

[DarthNeil]

Then why was he buying all those guns? Don't need 4 guns to shoot a deer or a bird.

Not picking a fight with u ween..u know me. but this should have been flagged as suspicious. If someone wants to buy 45 pistols and 25 rifles would someone question it? Where do we draw the line? This guy was allowed to buy 4 guns and killed 14 people. We have to do better. We have the infrastructure and technology to do better.

That would depend on the deviousness of the bird in question.

 

[minivader]

If there were multiple concealed carriers in that theater and they all acted against the shooter...there is a very, very little chance...in the extreme... that the concealed carriers would have shot anyone other than the shooter.

The argument that a CC would have done more harm than good simply can not be supported by fact and example.

The statistics will speak for themselves. But if you take the time to learn what a CC trains for and mix in how people would be reacting in the situation...you would understand a little more clearly. This point has become a rallying cry for gun haters. But it has little merit. Even articles that are actually about concealed carriers acting against attackers and written by gun haters can't come up with much in the way of examples to support the claim.

not all states have the same requirement and training to qualify for CC license. Some, I would agree, are very professional, and some simply, are adequate at best IMHO. And in this incidence, dark theatre, a fully packed theatre's worth of panicking movie audience running for their lives and smoke, I really don't believe that multiple gun carry people will react and work in unison to take james holmes (not to mention he is armored) down without injuring other people or themselves.

 

[Voorhees27]

Given the definition of a terrorist is to incite terror and stocks fell for some of the major theater companies and people were quoted in saying they were afraid to go the theater and some were saying that they would avoid this film, then I would say yes.

Precisely. I thought it was pretty clear.

 

[ali032373]

The larger quesstion is why do Americans love guns sooo much? Soooo much that weve decided that the odd massacre (ie Columbine, Gabby Gifford, Batman) outweighs the interest of public safety. Collectively, we as a society have said we are willing to deal with the occasional mass shooting, rather than enactinig pragmatic gun safety laws.

 

[diecast]

Can you actually back these points up with any kind of proof?

im willing to listen.

but im not seeing how introducing additional firearms, probably carried by ill trained people, in a dark, gassed, panicked theater, against a heavily armed and armored assailant leads to anything other than something worse.

you may be trained and think that you could handle that situation. i doubt everyone else carrying is as equipped. and as a patron of a theater, id prefer you not try and find out while im in it.