12 shot dead at movie theater

[azurepred]

but even so - lets say every last person in this theater was armed.....even the 3 month old.....IMO, that was not going to be a deterrent to a person like this, first and foremost. secondly, the guy came in armor. so unless youre a deadeye and nail a headshot, im unsure of what most of the pistols people typically carry are going to do. you run the risk of hitting other people for the chance at delaying him while he reacts to getting nailed in the kevlar? maybe if everyone reacted accordingly, and was cognitive enough to grab their guns and fire on him en masse, but the chances of that are pretty nil too, not to mention the casualties from all the misses... i dont know if thats a great option. let alone the fact that he gassed people on the way in.

im just not seeing the reduced impact of having armed citizens would do here.

I agree with this. Having average pedestrians firing back in a situation like this would just make things worse. Not only are the chances high they hit the wrong target with so many people running all over the place, but chances are high that once the police get there, they could get shot by them.

Now, I am completely against guns in every way, and I would like to see it become a little more difficult to get them in a lot of states, but in this case, it wouldn't have mattered. I think the biggest thing to learn is that something like this can happen anywhere, anytime, people need to be aware, not paranoid, but be aware of your surroundings at all times. It's a really sad incident, I'm really interested to hear why he did it, and if it could have been prevented. Something recently set him off.

 

[user 1190]

actually there is this thing called the Constitution that kind of prevents the Government from getting rid of all the guns if they wanted to.

Simple ban bullets, nothing says they have to be allowed.

 

[diecast]

kind of like if someone returned fire



"All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns..." - Mao Tze Tung

Many Americans like their right to defend their liberties, its as simple as that, and something that people in, say, China are not afforded.

not to get too far off base here, but we're doing a piss poor job defending them then. we are letting our government get away with multiple discretion's (and this isnt a political position to me. it happened under both bush and obama) that have compromised and undermined our liberties. so the guns aint doin much.

 

[VASith]

Simple ban bullets, nothing says they have to be allowed.

 

[csi]

Fair enough. There have been over 26000 deaths innocent and military in Afghanistan since war started. Your numbers still don't match up.

lol, I was talking American deaths, but then you knew that when you posted your bogus numbers to try to show me up. BTW, your guess of at least 3000 is off, there have been 2995 collation deaths in Afghanistan (1,939 American deaths).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_casualties_in_Afghanistan

but if you want want to use the shooting in Denver to promote your ideaology of banning all guns, over 15,000 people are killed annually by people who get drunk and drive their vehicles. By your same logic, we should ban all automobiles because a few misuse them. Cars don't drive drunk, people drive drunk. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

 

[Niltusk]

I like how people get so into their arguments, they act like simple facts are hard to look up.

Google and 2.5 seconds later from the Chicago Huffington Post...

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/16/chicago-homicide-rate-wor_n_1602692.html

Just from a few days ago, and heres the title
Chicago Homicide Rate Worse Than Kabul, Up To 200 Police Assigned To High-Profile Wedding (VIDEO)

 

[csi]

Simple ban bullets, nothing says they have to be allowed.

I believe they would be included in the whole right to bear arms thing.

not to get too far off base here, but we're doing a piss poor job defending them then. we are letting our government get away with multiple discretion's (and this isnt a political position to me. it happened under both bush and obama) that have compromised and undermined our liberties. so the guns aint doin much.

for the most part I agree with you. Lucky for us most people are trying to change things within the system, for how long they are willing to do that is a whole other discussion.

 

[VASith]

lol, I was talking American deaths, but then you knew that when you posted your bogus numbers to try to show me up. BTW, your guess of at least 3000 is off, there have been 2995 collation deaths in Afghanistan (1,939 American deaths).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_casualties_in_Afghanistan

but if you want want to use the shooting in Denver to promote your ideaology of banning all guns, over 15,000 people are killed annually by people who get drunk and drive their vehicles. By your same logic, we should ban all automobiles because a few misuse them. Cars don't drive drunk, people drive drunk. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

So a death to you only counts if they are American? If there were tourists at the movie their deaths don't count? You are the one who wanted to compare Chicago and Afghanistan. Don't back away now since your number don't match. A death to you only counts if they are American ? I never said I wanted to ban guns. Don't put words in my mouth. You stated more people dies in Chicago compared to Afghanistan. Your numbers lie. Unless you don't count the un American innocents killed in the war. Maybe there was a French baby in the theatre who got killed. Does that count? Try and sell your agenda some where else.

 

[csi]

I like how people get so into their arguments, they act like simple facts are hard to look up.

Google and 2.5 seconds later from the Chicago Huffington Post...

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/16/chicago-homicide-rate-wor_n_1602692.html

Just from a few days ago, and heres the title
Chicago Homicide Rate Worse Than Kabul, Up To 200 Police Assigned To High-Profile Wedding (VIDEO)

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Simple ban bullets, nothing says they have to be allowed.

I make my own in my garage so that wouldn't stop a psycho from doing it either.

 

[VASith]

I like how people get so into their arguments, they act like simple facts are hard to look up.

Google and 2.5 seconds later from the Chicago Huffington Post...

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/16/chicago-homicide-rate-wor_n_1602692.html

Just from a few days ago, and heres the title
Chicago Homicide Rate Worse Than Kabul, Up To 200 Police Assigned To High-Profile Wedding (VIDEO)

But dig further. Do a bit more research and you see the number is much higher for people dead. Not Americans. But people dead. The op never stated anything about American deaths. Should we start classification on black, white and Latino deaths?

 

[Star Puffs]

So a death to you only counts if they are American? If there were tourists at the movie their deaths don't count? You are the one who wanted to compare Chicago and Afghanistan. Don't back away now since your number don't match. A death to you only counts if they are American ? I never said I wanted to ban guns. Don't put words in my mouth. You stated more people dies in Chicago compared to Afghanistan. Your numbers lie. Unless you don't count the un American innocents killed in the war. Maybe there was a French baby in the theatre who got killed. Does that count? Try and sell your agenda some where else.

Thank you for not backing down on that point. There is something really disturbing in only counting American (or Western) soldiers.

 

[csi]

So a death to you only counts if they are American? If there were tourists at the movie their deaths don't count? You are the one who wanted to compare Chicago and Afghanistan. Don't back away now since your number don't match. A death to you only counts if they are American ? I never said I wanted to ban guns. Don't put words in my mouth. You stated more people dies in Chicago compared to Afghanistan. Your numbers lie. Unless you don't count the un American innocents killed in the war. Maybe there was a French baby in the theatre who got killed. Does that count? Try and sell your agenda some where else.

so your one of those guys that likes to twist other people words to distort facts and make things seem to be other then what they are?

My numbers match perfectly fine with the point I was trying to make, in fact you posted almost the same numbers in Afghanistan when you were trying to show me up. The point is Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, and yet more citizens have been killed there in the last then years then those serving in a war zone.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

but if you want want to use the shooting in Denver to promote your ideaology of banning all guns, over 15,000 people are killed annually by people who get drunk and drive their vehicles. By your same logic, we should ban all automobiles because a few misuse them. Cars don't drive drunk, people drive drunk. Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Absolutely.

 

[csi]

Thank you for not backing down on that point. There is something really disturbing in only counting American (or Western) soldiers.

do you even know what the point is?

 

[hoodonit00]

There would have been more casualties no doubt. You ask any cop and they don't want Internet Rambos shooting up a movie theatre. Whoever sold this ____ his guns hold have called police. Who do you need ak, shotgun, and two pistols. We are too scared to raise alarm..someone should have said something.

I'm on another board that has a lot of police and military on it. All of them and many of the police you see every day police are perfectly ok with civilian gun ownership. They also know that armed civilians have thwarted all kinds of crimes. As far as calling the police because someone has these weapons, so what if they do? Does not make them a lunatic because they have these weapons. What makes them a lunatic is whatever is hard wired wrong in their heads to make them do something like this.

 

[VASith]

I believe they would be included in the whole right to bear arms thing.



for the most part I agree with you. Lucky for us most people are trying to change things within the system, for how long they are willing to do that is a whole other discussion.

Somehow I think you and this guy would have gotten along like old chums. Kill those who don't agree with you. If they aren't American their lives don't count. How many Latino soldiers dies in the middle east. How many African Americans died in civil war? Guess their life's don't count.

 

[hoodonit00]

News are saying the guns were all bought from same shop about 4 months ago. 4 weapons plus ammo and grenades.

Grenades? Maybe smoke grenade but not real grenades.

 

[VASith]

so your one of those guys that likes to twist other people words to distort facts and make things seem to be other then what they are?

My numbers match perfectly fine with the point I was trying to make, in fact you posted almost the same numbers in Afghanistan when you were trying to show me up. The point is Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country, and yet more citizens have been killed there in the last then years then those serving in a war zone.

You said more people were,killed in Chicago compared to all of afghan war. You never said Americans or blacks or whites count.

 

[csi]

Somehow I think you and this guy would have gotten along like old chums. Kill those who don't agree with you. If they aren't American their lives don't count. How many Latino soldiers dies in the middle east. How many African Americans died in civil war? Guess their life's don't count.

seriously dude, did you run of of actual facts that you have to resort to childish banter and insults? Come on man, act like a grown up and not child hiding behind a keyboard. Your comments are way off base and your a complete _______ for making unfounded generalizations and statements like that.