12 shot dead at movie theater

[ProgMatinee]

I'm not sure I'm articulate enough to explain it.

Simply, life is a combination of outside forces and the individual's processing of those occurrences.

Basically, your stance seems to be that the only responsible party in an interaction is the receiver, not the broadcaster. If the receiver reacts to the initial interaction, the roles are switched and now the broadcaster turned receiver is responsible for his actions in accepting the response. This goes on and on in a circular nature until someone breaks the law and finally that's who's in the wrong.

That seems to work great post fact in knowing who to arrest. It didn't exactly prevent the event however.

In a perfect world people would be cognoscente of their actions and the possible results, even if the result isn't their own direct action.

Anyway, I have to drop out here for the night.

 

[Niltusk]

Without having ESP, that's virtually impossible. The best you can do is look at the tragedy this POS caused and think about what you would do should that scenario arise. Outside of that, there's nothing else anybody can do. A perfect example is the underwear bomber. Despite all the heightened security he still managed to get the bomb on a plane. People were proactive in dealing with that situation as a result of the tragedy of 911, and the danger was thwarted. This is all anybody can expect and the best we can do.

I'm not sure I'm articulate enough to explain it.

Simply, life is a combination of outside forces and the individual's processing of those occurrences.

Basically, your stance seems to be that the only responsible party in an interaction is the receiver, not the broadcaster. If the receiver broadcasts his reaction to the initial interaction, the roles are switched and now the new receiver is responsible for his actions in accepting the response. This goes on and on in a circular nature until someone breaks the law and finally that's who's in the wrong.

That seems to work great post fact in knowing who to arrest. It didn't exactly prevent the event however.

Nam answered this several pages back. We apparently need psychics.

 

[The Ween]

I'm pretty sure that whole article was a joke.

It is....that's what it's all about. If you click on a link to another of this guy's articles, it says Mitt Romney's dog ate his tax returns and ran Bain after he left.

 

[Niltusk]

It is....that's what it's all about. If you click on a link to another of this guy's articles, it says Mitt Romney's dog ate his tax returns and ran Bain after he left.

The funny thing is until they put something about a 2 year waiting period to view movies, I was getting so ticker, because I didn't realize it was satire. I was like, whos this fool they got speaking for the NRA?

 

[ProgMatinee]

Nam answered this several pages back. We apparently need psychics.

Or just caring more for the person or something? I'm not convinced that this guy was a lost cause since the day he was born. A little more attention, love, real relationships, interaction, something and who knows.

I'd like to believe with more of that he could have grown into something other than a murderer.

 

[The Ween]

Or just caring more for the person or something? I'm not convinced that this guy was a lost cause since the day he was born. A little more attention, love, real relationships, interaction, something and who knows.

I'd like to believe with more of that he could have grown into something other than a murderer.

Prog, having worked with kids as long as I have, each year I can pick out a few that will probably end up in jail or juvie down the road. Most of them do not come from bad homes, rather, just the opposite.

I believe that some kids are born with mental problems, they just don't show up till later in life or it's so subtle that people don't see it till it's too late.

Trouble is too, the ones that come from bad homes, there's so little that anyone can do. By the time they're old enough to get away from it, the damage has been done.

 

[ProgMatinee]

I can accept that. Then I think short of exiling them or locking them up we might need to guard ourselves from them. Otherwise, this will continue.

In regards to guarding ourselves, more guns would possibly lower the amount of bad guys doing stuff like this, but probably increase the number of Tayvon Martin cases.

So its all a balance.

I suppose in retrospect in thinking about these balances, maybe I shouldn't be shocked when this stuff happens.

 

[Jen]

Or just caring more for the person or something? I'm not convinced that this guy was a lost cause since the day he was born. A little more attention, love, real relationships, interaction, something and who knows.

I'd like to believe with more of that he could have grown into something other than a murderer.

It's nice to think that and I think with some criminals that could be true. But I don't think for some murders it matters at all. Look at some of the serial killers who had families (interesting report by the FBI - A report, by the agency's behavioural analysis unit, says serial killers often have families and homes, are gainfully employed and appear to be normal members of the community.). These murderers' kids, wives and families were in complete shock to learn their loved one was a murderer.

I think some people are just evil...or have mental illness that they never get diagnosed and treatment for and no amount of love or compassion is going to change that.

 

[csi]

Or just caring more for the person or something? I'm not convinced that this guy was a lost cause since the day he was born. A little more attention, love, real relationships, interaction, something and who knows.

I'd like to believe with more of that he could have grown into something other than a murderer.

just to play devils advocate, perhaps he got to much of that. Perhaps he was so used to getting attention from his doting parents that when he moved to a new city and suddenly wasn't the center of attention he snapped. I am not saying I believe that, but I am point out that what you are saying is just speculation and there is absolutely no way to regulate it. I absolutely believe in the do unto others principal, but beyond that I am not sure what you would suggest could be done to change the course of yesterday's events. And I am really not sure how you figure video games and movies factors into all of it.

 

[Niltusk]

Or just caring more for the person or something? I'm not convinced that this guy was a lost cause since the day he was born. A little more attention, love, real relationships, interaction, something and who knows.

I'd like to believe with more of that he could have grown into something other than a murderer.

None of which covers a blanket statement of society being damned due to media, which is laughable when you look at the span of a persons life.

The triggers in his life were probably grievous and people pointing and saying, "I bet he saw Porky's at age 7 and probably played Donkey King late into the night" are as ridiculouly absurd as me trying to do a thesis about Hitler becoming who he became because modern movies are violent and he played video games with realistic graphics.

Could Batman be an outlet to a shattered minds problems? possible, maybe even certainly, its an outlet to many sane minds to escape and enjoy, but to believe it helped form those issues? C'mon.

There comes a time you look at too much smoke and mirrors, you miss the actual clues you say you need to avoid further tragedy.

 

[Jen]

Prog, having worked with kids as long as I have, each year I can pick out a few that will probably end up in jail or juvie down the road. Most of them do not come from bad homes, rather, just the opposite.

I believe that some kids are born with mental problems, they just don't show up till later in life or it's so subtle that people don't see it till it's too late.

Trouble is too, the ones that come from bad homes, there's so little that anyone can do. By the time they're old enough to get away from it, the damage has been done.

Good post.

 

[csi]

It's nice to think that and I think with some criminals that could be true. But I don't think for some murders it matters at all. Look at some of the serial killers who had families (interesting report by the FBI - A report, by the agency's behavioural analysis unit, says serial killers often have families and homes, are gainfully employed and appear to be normal members of the community.). These murderers' kids, wives and families were in complete shock to learn their loved one was a murderer.

I think some people are just evil...or have mental illness that they never get diagnosed and treatment for and no amount of love or compassion is going to change that.

yeah, you should watch Criminal Minds. Very interesting show.

 

[thenammagazine]

So you are saying that by "nature" he was destined to be a killer? Environment didn't play in it at all?

Halo can be considered a violent video game and the millions of people who purchased it aren't running around blowing people away. Remember the 80's and the PMRC? Blaming video games is doing exactly what they did to metal, blaming it for violent behavior just because it didn't sound like Pat Boone or Jim Neighbors. You'd be more accurate to blame lazy and inept parents for not instilling the concept of right and wrong and conscience into their offspring and making 1001 excuses as to why everybody else on the planet is responsible for their child before them. Hell, the medical community is even quick to back them and make "medical" excuses for poor/wrong/entitled behaviors, to get money for visits and prescriptions diagnosing children with diseases that didn't exist and "symptoms" that were easily cured with corporal punishment when we were growing up.

 

[Jen]

just to play devils advocate, perhaps he got to much of that. Perhaps he was so used to getting attention from his doting parents that when he moved to a new city and suddenly wasn't the center of attention he snapped. I am not saying I believe that, but I am point out that what you are saying is just speculation and there is absolutely no way to regulate it. I absolutely believe in the do unto others principal, but beyond that I am not sure what you would suggest could be done to change the course of yesterday's events. And I am really not sure how you figure video games and movies factors into all of it.

That's actually an interesting point. I've known some people who were the only child and the parents often times coddled and spoiled them. When they went to college it was a big shock to them. The were a small fish in a big pond and it took some adjusting for them to get used to not constantly being the center of attention.

 

[The Ween]

I can accept that. Then I think short of exiling them or locking them up we might need to guard ourselves from them. Otherwise, this will continue.

It doesn't help either when you have 14 year olds having babies and then their 14 year olds have babies. All are too young to know the first thing about properly taking care of children.

I'm not suppose to do it, but whenever a kid wants to hug me, they get one. Some will cling to me just wanting attention. There are kids that come to school crying because of things that happen at home. I'm talking 3-6 year olds. They come in dirty and smelly. They have rotten teeth or no teeth because the dentist has pulled them out all ready. It just makes me sick.

And like I said before, the more the population grows, the larger the percentage of crazies grow.

 

[ProgMatinee]

None of which covers a blanket statement of society being damned due to media, which is laughable when you look at the span of a persons life.

There comes a time you look at too much smoke and mirrors, you miss the actual clues you say you need to avoid further tragedy.

I don't think anyone is saying that. For me, its a small piece of the puzzle, but still a piece that shouldn't just be swept under the carpet.

I guess what I'm reading from most of you guys is that this was inevitable and impossible to stop, which therefore to me says that it shouldn't have been surprising or shocking since how can you be shocked by an event you pretty much expected?

 

[Jen]

yeah, you should watch Criminal Minds. Very interesting show.

I do. For a time I went back to school in hopes of being a forensic scientist. I love crime shows...L&O, Criminal Minds, Forensic Files, etc...even incredibly unrealistic shows like CSI.

 

[Niltusk]

I don't think anyone is saying that. For me, its a small piece of the puzzle, but still a piece that shouldn't just be swept under the carpet.

I guess what I'm reading from most of you guys is that this was inevitable and impossible to stop, which therefore to me says that it shouldn't have been surprising or shocking since how can you be shocked by an event you pretty much expected?

Obviously its shocking. Despite the media, we still want to believe monsters don't exist, unfortunately, its just not true.

 

[The Ween]

just to play devils advocate, perhaps he got to much of that. Perhaps he was so used to getting attention from his doting parents that when he moved to a new city and suddenly wasn't the center of attention he snapped. I am not saying I believe that, but I am point out that what you are saying is just speculation and there is absolutely no way to regulate it. I absolutely believe in the do unto others principal, but beyond that I am not sure what you would suggest could be done to change the course of yesterday's events. And I am really not sure how you figure video games and movies factors into all of it.

They had said he got his degree, then couldn't find a job other than at McD's so he went back to school, but only for a month or so, then dropped out. I have to wonder how much that played into it. There's been quite a few cases of guys going off the deep end when they lose their jobs or get fired.

 

[Niltusk]

These murderers' kids, wives and families were in complete shock to learn their loved one was a murderer.

Sometimes they need academy awards.