12 shot dead at movie theater

[csi]

So...what's the solution? People with much bigger problems are all around. I'm not suggesting by any stretch to ban movies or video games...but as a society we need to accept that environmental factors DO lead to actions, by crazy people and normal people. To deny that people are influenced by art and culture is very closed minded and defensive, IMO.

I'm a fan of a video games and film, but I also understand how it does affect our consciousness.

I dare you to try watching Deadwood for 20 hours straight and come out of it without cursing.

You named the problem right there, there are people out there with much bigger problems. Any number of things could set them off, to try to lump all of their problems in with video games, movies, etc is just naive. People have gone nuts and killed people because of the way they were smiled at, should we limit or ban smiles?

 

[teemu]

You can't "blame" movies, music and TV, but to act like the crap they program you with constantly doesn't have any influence on peoples thoughts and actions isn't accurate.

exactly, my point isn't to ban video games at all,my point is that they do have influence and do desensitize you whether you realize it or not

People see Violence,and do not think anything of it

 

[csi]

So you are saying that by "nature" he was destined to be a killer? Environment didn't play in it at all?

Maybe a middle ground?

its way more likely that he is starving for attention and thought of a sick and sadistic way to get it. He posted on his dating website profile that he wanted people to visit him in jail. So, no I don't think he was destined to be a killer, and I also don't think he was changed into a killer by books, games, or movies. He very likely could have had some form of mental illness, could have been in a deep depression from lack of friends and wanted someone to notice him. Who knows. I am sure it will come out eventually, although we will have a hard time find the truth through all the media BS that is thrown our way.

 

[Rotfish]

https://www.newyorker.com/online/bl...2/07/nra-proposes-sweeping-ban-on-movies.html

People are idiots.

 

[csi]

Well I have. Several times. And somewhere in this thread it's mentioned that it was reported too.

I'm too lazy to look for it though.

And of course you'd believe that, but you'd never believe he was a *********, right?

I don't believe either one and never did.

already looked it up and posted about it a few posts up.

And yes I would more easily believe he was a member of the Occupy Movement before I would the Tea Party because of the difference in their ideology as well as the tactics they have used to get their message across. It does not, however, mean that I believe he was actually a member, just that it would be more easy believe one over the other.

 

[NASEDO]

Heres a summary of this entire thread.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRnRX85tQu4[/ame]

Meant to post this in the "Killers" Thread...My bad

 

[Jen]

I dare you to try watching Deadwood for 20 hours straight and come out of it without cursing.

I will admit something like this is true...I've watched marathons of British movies and afterwards thought I was Gwyneth Paltrow and could talk in a fake British accent. BUT a person would have to have some kind of screw loose and a messed up moral compass to no longer be able to see the difference between right and wrong and commit mass murder because they played Call of Duty or watched a marathon of Sylvester Stallone movies. To me there is just a HUGE difference between swearing or talking in a fake accent versus taking someone's life.

 

[ProgMatinee]

You named the problem right there, there are people out there with much bigger problems. Any number of things could set them off, to try to lump all of their problems in with video games, movies, etc is just naive. People have gone nuts and killed people because of the way they were smiled at, should we limit or ban smiles?

You're caught in black and white land.

What I want is for society to recognize and acknowledge that images and words that we give to fellow people actually affect them.

This doesn't mean I want to ban them.

But if we as a society reject all notion that what you do or say or broadcast to another person actually affects them in some way then there is no personal responsibility or obligation to fellow humans.

 

[Jen]

https://www.newyorker.com/online/bl...2/07/nra-proposes-sweeping-ban-on-movies.html

People are idiots.

I'm pretty sure that whole article was a joke.

 

[Jen]

You're caught in black and white land.

What I want is for society to recognize and acknowledge that images and words that we give to fellow people actually affect them.

This doesn't mean I want to ban them.

But if we as a society reject all notion that what you do or say or broadcast to another person actually affects them in some way then there is no personal responsibility or obligation to fellow humans.

I'm curious - you say you don't want to ban them, but we need to realize that they affect people in some way. What then would you propose to do? What is this grey area you speak of?

And I wonder if we could find a grey area in gun control? Oh no - I didn't go there! But seriously...could there be a middle ground when it pertains to guns as well as middle ground for entertainment? I just don't know.

 

[sparkstron73]

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUtdnTk7wIE[/ame]
Was watching this the other night and this clip makes alot of sense.

I don't think you can blame video games, being bullied or enviroment when these things happen.
Maybe he was drugged, brainwashed or condtioned into thinking this was a good idea.
Maybe far fetched and not as plausable as other explanations and a bit paranoid but not the first time similar things have happened.

 

[Rotfish]

I'm pretty sure that whole article was a joke.

Yeah... I just realized it was the New Yorker.

 

[csi]

You're caught in black and white land.

What I want is for society to recognize and acknowledge that images and words that we give to fellow people actually affect them.

This doesn't mean I want to ban them.

But if we as a society reject all notion that what you do or say or broadcast to another person actually affects them in some way then there is no personal responsibility or obligation to fellow humans.

so exactly what is your/our obligation to fellow humans, and what is their obligation to me? If I am offended by nose rings should people have to remove them around me? I say there is absolutely no way to know what actually affects people in a negative way, so it is impossible to monitor, change, or limit things like books, games, movies, etc, and their maybe affect on someone.

 

[Jen]

so exactly what is your/our obligation to fellow humans, and what is their obligation to me? If I am offended by nose rings should people have to remove them around me? I say there is absolutely no way to know what actually affects people in a negative way, so it is impossible to monitor, change, or limit things like books, games, movies, etc, and their maybe affect on someone.

I have a nose ring! I'm staying away from you!!

 

[ProgMatinee]

I'm curious - you say you don't want to ban them, but we need to realize that they affect people in some way. What then would you propose to do? What is this grey area you speak of?

Basically, I guess I believe in self moderation and responsibility and accountability to fellow people. I can think of a lot of horrible things to say to make someone feel like dirt. I choose not to.

Corporations and artists have a lot of power and influence and thus need to also moderate and take responsibility to not just broadcast the most craven and depraved thing they can think of for either art's sake or to make a buck.

Again, trying to stay in the gray area, I don't imply to force people to make "Leave It To Beaver" instead of the "Dark Knight" or whatever, but I think we as a society should just be aware of constantly pushing boundaries.

Maybe we need to also push the opposite direction to maintain a balanced exposure to good and bad.

IMO our psyches are sensitive and need to experience adequate positive exposure instead of constant negative vibes and cruelty, etc.

 

[jye4ever]

My heart is so broken for the victims.

The gentlemen celebrating his 27th birhday had just tweeted he was having a great birthday because TDKR was about to start.

That was me, that was all of us.

Just not fair, not fair at all.

I will have these victims in my thoughts on my next viewing, it will be dedicated to them.

 

[Niltusk]

You're caught in black and white land.

What I want is for society to recognize and acknowledge that images and words that we give to fellow people actually affect them.

This doesn't mean I want to ban them.

But if we as a society reject all notion that what you do or say or broadcast to another person actually affects them in some way then there is no personal responsibility or obligation to fellow humans.

Most of "we as a society" realized this sometime around first grade.

Out of the billions of stimuli that people encounter in life including biological forces, war, abuse, rape, negligence, indifference, loss, abandonment, ridicule, rejection, etc. etc.... trying to perpetrate movies or any form of media as more than what they are is just total crap. Everything influences people, thats why they call it your environment. But theres a billion factors to consider thats pretty much the sum of it, if it were as easy as pointing fingers would have you believe this ____ wouldn't be happening. Someone smarter than you or I would have a manual, but unfortunately (or fortunately for evolution) humans aren't as simple or easy to decode and map as some people would have you think.

IMO anyway.

 

[ProgMatinee]

so exactly what is your/our obligation to fellow humans, and what is their obligation to me? If I am offended by nose rings should people have to remove them around me? I say there is absolutely no way to know what actually affects people in a negative way, so it is impossible to monitor, change, or limit things like books, games, movies, etc, and their maybe affect on someone.

That's pretty trivial, but I'll play your game. If I had a nose ring and it offended you, should I play it up and ridicule you for not having one? Or daily plaster a photo of my face on your front door and force you to view it? Just because I can doesn't mean I should milk it.

 

[csi]

I have a nose ring! I'm staying away from you!!

lol, I just grabbed that out of the air

That's pretty trivial, but I'll play your game. If I had a nose ring and it offended you, should I play it up and ridicule you for not having one? Or daily plaster a photo of my face on your front door and force you to view it? Just because I can doesn't mean I should milk it.

but what your describing is outside of social norms, and actually boarding on harassment which is against the law, so there are means for dealing with that. But back to the game, should you remove the ring? Or is it my responsibility to accept that not everything people say, or do, and act is going to be as I would like it and adapt? Should my desires and beliefs impinge on your freedoms? Aside from that I fail to see how this relates to the video games made me do it mentality.

 

[Jen]

Basically, I guess I believe in self moderation and responsibility and accountability to fellow people. I can think of a lot of horrible things to say to make someone feel like dirt. I choose not to.

Corporations and artists have a lot of power and influence and thus need to also moderate and take responsibility to not just broadcast the most craven and depraved thing they can think of for either art's sake or to make a buck.

Again, trying to stay in the gray area, I don't imply to force people to make "Leave It To Beaver" instead of the "Dark Knight" or whatever, but I think we as a society should just be aware of constantly pushing boundaries.

Maybe we need to also push the opposite direction to maintain a balanced exposure to good and bad.

IMO our psyches are sensitive and need to experience adequate positive exposure instead of constant negative vibes and cruelty, etc.

I agree moderation is good for almost everything. It's good for one to try and live a balanced life and find positive outlets whether that be hanging with friends/family, playing with your pet..having a productive hobby... But we can't control how much someone does something or not. It's just impossible to monitor. Sure a parent could monitor their kid's gaming or the movies they watch..and make sure they go outside and get some fresh air and play outside with their friends....but to monitor an adult to make sure they are exposed to an appropriate amount of positive stimuli would probably require that that person's right to privacy be violated. I don't see any other way to do it. We could make 10 feel good movies for every 1 violent movie - but you can't force a person to watch the positive movies if all they want to see is the violent one 10 times in a row.

I will say I rarely ever watch the news. Every once in awhile they will throw out a feel good story..but it doesn't happen often. I'll see the news headlines online and read up on what I am curious about. But the news on tv is usually just a bunch of sensationalized b.s. to try and shock or cause fear. Don't like any of it.