12 shot dead at movie theater

[Niltusk]

I become angry when I read your post. If I ever go off the deep end I am blaming you.

Weird. I get a chuckle at every one of his posts. The thing that makes it outstandingly funny is, hes not trolling.

 

[devilof76]

What? I don't believe in consciousness?

Edit: You changed your comment...

I did, but reading further into it, you kinda don't. We're aware, but only of our life? Do you mean we are self-conscious, and can't get out of our own heads?

Consciousness is not the brain? WTF?

Right. You need it to be conscious, but they are not one and the same. Consciousness is not neurons, synapses, etc.

 

[user 1190]

They used to do that when guys went to prison. They shaved their heads.

He looks like they should zap him with a cattle prod to wake him up!

Yes when you go to Prison, Prison is after your convicted. Jail and Prison are completely different places.

 

[Wulf]

I did, but reading further into it, you kinda don't. We're aware, but only of our life? Do you mean we are self-conscious, and can't get out of our own heads?

You don't think our awareness and consciousness takes place in the brain? Then where does it come from?

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Just watched the video. His hair looks kind of orange to me (not that it matters), and he looks a little hungover.

 

[Niltusk]

Yes when you go to Prison, Prison is after your convicted. Jail and Prison are completely different places.

Yeah, they are quite different, but conviction doesn't lead to prison for everyone, sometimes it leads just to more jailtime, sometimes it leads to psych ward time.

 

[Niltusk]

Just watched the video. His hair looks kind of orange to me (not that it matters). He looks a little hungover.

Think they started him on a drug regime already?

 

[devilof76]

You don't think our awareness and consciousness takes place in the brain? Then where does it come from?

The brain gives rise to the phenomenon, but I'm not sure you can pick a location in yourself where consciousness is.

What I am saying is that the physical brain and consciousness are not the same thing. Consciousness isn't a material phenomenon.

 

[Wulf]

What you are saying doesn't make sense to me. Could you further elaborate? Are you saying that you think we don't know where consciousness takes place? I thought it was quite obvious it's in the brain. And how did we get to this? I was asking the question of where does free will independent of outside influence/external forces magically come from?

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Think they started him on a drug regime already?

They can't do that until he's been evaluated by a Psychiatrist. I doubt they've had enough time to do it yet, but who knows until they tell us. Maybe he had a late date night.

 

[devilof76]

What you are saying doesn't make sense to me. Could you further elaborate? Are you saying that you think we don't know where consciousness takes place? I thought it was quite obvious it's in the brain. And how did we get to this? I was asking the question of where does free will independent of outside influence/external forces magically come from?

It doesn't magically come from anywhere. Consciousness would have to magically come from somewhere first, because it's completely unlike any other entity in existence. It is an entity that 'looks' back at everything else. It is not spatial, or temporal, and it can't be reduced to anything other than consciousness.

Yet, this arises in a material, spaitial, temporal entity called an organism. Magic? Ok, but that's an imaginary cause being ascribed to a real effect. If you think it takes magic to get to free will, I don't know how you'd ever explain consciousness.

The answer to your question is that free will is not separate from the rest of reality. What it is free of is the power of reality to direct it. Most animals can't control what they pay attention to. Instinct handles that. Animals with free will are fully capable of directing their own capacity to focus. They don't escape stimuli. They choose how it affects them.

 

[Niltusk]

They can't do that until he's been evaluated by a Psychiatrist. I doubt they've had enough time to do it yet, but who knows until they tell us. Maybe he had a late date night.

Three days later? I'd be surprised if he hasn't seen multiple psych docs.

 

[Deckard]

It doesn't magically come from anywhere. Consciousness would have to magically come from somewhere first, because it's completely unlike and other entity in existence. It is an entity that 'looks' back at everything else. It is not spatial, or temporal, and it can't be reduced to anything other than consciousness.

Yet, this arises in a material, spaitial, temporal entity called an organism. Magic? Ok, but that's an imaginary cause being ascribed to a real thing. If you think it takes magic to get to free will, I don't know how you'd ever explain consciousness.

The answer to your questiono is that free will is not separate from the rest of reality. What it is free of is the power of reality to direct it. Most animals can't control what they pay attention to. Instinct handles that. Animals with free will are fully capable of directing their own capacity to focus.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUzBK5O3wBM[/ame]

 

[devilof76]

I don't get it.

 

[Kuzeh]

Maybe the guy will play the role of insane to get off the death sentence?... since he's such a Batman "fanatic" he might've learned that from BB?...

 

[Niltusk]

Maybe the guy will play the role of insane to get off the death sentence?... since he's such a Batman "fanatic" he might've learned that from BB?...

I honestly don't think hes going to need a strong defense to prove hes insane.

 

[Deckard]

With how carefully he planned it all out over the course of several months, the fact that he was in school for neuroscience, think again.

I hope they fry this kid, he wants to play comic book, I'd suggest studying up on Marv from Sin City.

 

[devilof76]

I bet he's a determinist.

 

[Kuzeh]

I honestly don't think hes going to need a strong defense to prove hes insane.

He's not insane... he knew perfectly well what he was doing, and still does. He'll be playing the insane card, and the justice system will buy it... it's obvious he's faking it...

With how carefully he planned it all out over the course of several months, the fact that he was in school for neuroscience, think again.

 

[Niltusk]

With how carefully he planned it all out over the course of several months, the fact that he was in school for neuroscience, think again.

I hope they fry this kid, he wants to play comic book, I'd suggest studying up on Marv from Sin City.

People with mental illness can plot for months even years. I think you're confusing the concepts of mental illness and premeditation vs non premeditation. The mentally ill can do both just like the sane can.