12 shot dead at movie theater

[sithjedi171]

I find it strange after the carnage he caused that he told the police about the IED's he staged at his apartment. Especially hearing that he refuses to cooperate now.

 

[diecast]

is it me, or is the media desperate to somehow connect this thing to the IP. so far ive heard connections to his hair, a mask at his house, the gas mask, he used gas like joker's "laughing gas"

and hasnt the joker's hair always been green? and this may be going out on a limb here, but maybe, JUST MAYBE, the gas mask had to do with, ya know......THE GAS.

 

[Deckard]

is it me, or is the media desperate to somehow connect this thing to the IP. so far ive heard connections to his hair, a mask at his house, the gas mask, he used gas like joker's "laughing gas"

and hasnt the joker's hair always been green? and this may be going out on a limb here, but maybe, JUST MAYBE, the gas mask had to do with, ya know......THE GAS.

Actually its because he told the arresting officer that he was the Joker. The red hair is being inferred by the media because he lived across the street from the Hospital and was a med student so they are assuming he's basing that off of the scene in TDK where the Joker dresses up like a nurse and wears a red wig to blow up the hospital Dents in.

Not saying I believe any of that to be the case but thats where its coming from.

 

[KitFisto]

The media makes up what it wants. You don't get the truth. You get what they want you to hear. They may give a fake retraction later, but It's after the intentional false propaganda they've already put out which many will have already accepted as truth.......mission accomplished.

 

[Wulf]

It doesn't magically come from anywhere. Consciousness would have to magically come from somewhere first, because it's completely unlike any other entity in existence. It is an entity that 'looks' back at everything else. It is not spatial, or temporal, and it can't be reduced to anything other than consciousness.

Yet, this arises in a material, spaitial, temporal entity called an organism. Magic? Ok, but that's an imaginary cause being ascribed to a real effect. If you think it takes magic to get to free will, I don't know how you'd ever explain consciousness.

The answer to your question is that free will is not separate from the rest of reality. What it is free of is the power of reality to direct it. Most animals can't control what they pay attention to. Instinct handles that. Animals with free will are fully capable of directing their own capacity to focus. They don't escape stimuli. They choose how it affects them.

What are you talking about? Again, you have dodged the question by bringing up something irrelevant like consciousness.

I didn't say free will had to magically come from somewhere, I was making the point that if free will has no source then it just "magically" appears according to your reasoning.

I'm saying that our "choices/free will" is based and influenced on information that comes from the outside and interacts with our complex brain. Cause and effect. Doesn't mean it's instant, it could have been information that came into my brain 10 years ago that determines my decision today about something. Or bits of information from several different sources that determined my choice.

I'm saying that our "free will" has a source.

I bet he's a determinist.

Funny.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Three days later? I'd be surprised if he hasn't seen multiple psych docs.

This is true. He might've also been medicated for non-compliance in jail.

 

[diecast]

Actually its because he told the arresting officer that he was the Joker. The red hair is being inferred by the media because he lived across the street from the Hospital and was a med student so they are assuming he's basing that off of the scene in TDK where the Joker dresses up like a nurse and wears a red wig to blow up the hospital Dents in.

Not saying I believe any of that to be the case but thats where its coming from.

is that where they're getting it? cause they surely arent reporting it like that.

 

[The Ween]

I find it strange after the carnage he caused that he told the police about the IED's he staged at his apartment. Especially hearing that he refuses to cooperate now.

He's not talking now because he's lawyered up. They won't let him talk now.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

is that where they're getting it? cause they surely arent reporting it like that.

It's a shame to assume this, but I wouldn't be surprised if the News channels are searching for any kind of connection to the movies/comics just to pin it.

 

[The Ween]

Yes when you go to Prison, Prison is after your convicted. Jail and Prison are completely different places.

I knew that. Maybe they didn't.

 

[The Ween]

People with mental illness can plot for months even years. I think you're confusing the concepts of mental illness and premeditation vs non premeditation. The mentally ill can do both just like the sane can.

But you don't have to be insane to do what he did. You may think so, but shrinks say otherwise.

 

[BadMoon]

But you don't have to be insane to do what he did. You may think so, but shrinks say otherwise.

People jump to the insanity conclusion because they have a hard time grasping that a normal person can do this. Although one also questions the term "normal" when discussing this lunatic.

 

[The Ween]

Actually its because he told the arresting officer that he was the Joker. The red hair is being inferred by the media because he lived across the street from the Hospital and was a med student so they are assuming he's basing that off of the scene in TDK where the Joker dresses up like a nurse and wears a red wig to blow up the hospital Dents in.

Not saying I believe any of that to be the case but thats where its coming from.

Deckard, he never said he was the Joker. That was just another thing that was thrown out there in the beginning.

Skim to 1:55

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AsFec9FzPk[/ame]

 

[BadMoon]

Deckard, he never said he was the Joker. That was just another thing that was thrown out there in the beginning.

Skim to 1:55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AsFec9FzPk

CNN is still reporting it. Lame.

 

[diecast]

Deckard, he never said he was the Joker. That was just another thing that was thrown out there in the beginning.

Skim to 1:55

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AsFec9FzPk

so then no on the utterance and no on the hair because the jokers hair isnt red.

these are supposed to be journalists here

 

[The Ween]

so then no on the utterance and no on the hair because the jokers hair isnt red.

these are supposed to be journalists here

Actually, his hair isn't even red, it looks more orange to me, with some yellow thrown in.

 

[DarthNeil]

It's a shame to assume this, but I wouldn't be surprised if the News channels are searching for any kind of connection to the movies/comics just to pin it.

The media is searching for anything... They've interviewed a woman who worked at a convenience store who sold him a Coke and they actually asked the question "Did you see any warning signs?" The facts of this case can be summarized in one newspaper article and now everything else is just filler.

 

[jungle jom]

so then no on the utterance and no on the hair because the jokers hair isnt red.

these are supposed to be journalists here

Maybe the guy is color blind and thinks he dyed his hair green.

 

[cokebabies]

The media is searching for anything... They've interviewed a woman who worked at a convenience store who sold him a Coke and they actually asked the question "Did you see any warning signs?"

He had exact change!

 

[devilof76]

What are you talking about? Again, you have dodged the question by bringing up something irrelevant like consciousness.

Free will is a type of consciousness.

I didn't say free will had to magically come from somewhere, I was making the point that if free will has no source then it just "magically" appears according to your reasoning.

I never said it had no source.

I'm saying that our "choices/free will" is based and influenced on information that comes from the outside and interacts with our complex brain. Cause and effect. Doesn't mean it's instant, it could have been information that came into my brain 10 years ago that determines my decision today about something. Or bits of information from several different sources that determined my choice.

An interaction is not necessarily a causal interaction. Yes, stimuli causes the sense organs to react, transmitting signals to the brain, which become information when consciousness perceives it. An instinctual consciousness processes the information automatically; a volitional consciousness does not process information automatically. Once the a volitional consciousness is aware of something, it may choose to passively ignore it, actively evade it, or recognize it, investigate it, understand it, and integrate it into its own larger body of knowledge, to be applied when useful. None of that happens without an endless chain of choices, and none of those choices are controlled, influenced, or otherwise made to be, by anything other than the ego that so chooses.

A choice is not determined. That is the distinguishing characteristic of choice. The word is meaningless otherwise.

I'm saying that our "free will" has a source.

The source of a choice is the chooser. I don't know of any other way to say it.