12 shot dead at movie theater

[BadMoon]

you do have that right. but it is inherently contradictory with american ideals in my view.

I disagree. It's my ideals and point of view. I don't speak for all of America. You may say that's a good thing. Others may say differently. I frankly don't care.

If I feel unsafe somewhere I simply wouldn't good back. I fail to see why offerring advice to someone to stay away from an unsafe area (in their eyes) is bad? Hell I'm doing him a favor.

 

[devilof76]

Choice is just a word created by humans, it doesn't have to be a fact.

Feel free to ignore the entire history of why the word is here in the first place.

But how did the chooser come to his conclusion, his choice? Actions? Beliefs etc? From thin air? From the brain? The choices are put into action by the person but where did they come from?

Ideas (untrue, immoral, and poorly reasoned) were how he came to the conclusion that he should kill, but nothing made him choose to kill. I would venture to bet that given the raw content of his mind, if most (if not all) of the people in this thread were stuck in his head, they would not have made the same choice.

Because if the "choice" to murder is free will, independent of outside sources, then that would mean that some humans are biologically, naturally, murderers who just want to kill.

1) Choices are made in a context. The context consists of information acquired from the world outside of the mind, evaluated and organized by the self as it chose to.

2) All people have the choice in front of them to kill or not in any given moment. It doesn't make them born killers. Most people aren't wrong enough to make the choice that this man made. Many would not make it, regardless of how wrong they became. Some would do it knowing full well how wrong it is. Some would do it only when it the right thing to do, and would be right from stem to stern.

3) Human nature is free will. Nothing makes anyone do anything, unless they are physically forced to do it. Choice and force are opposites.

 

[Niltusk]

But you don't have to be insane to do what he did. You may think so, but shrinks say otherwise.

Wrong, just saying that shrinks "say" something like they have a fellowship of agreement on anything pretty much renders your point moot. Ego and politics rage in the psych community.

 

[Niltusk]

@devilof76: Do you spend alot of time trying to talk sense into rocks?

Just sayin...

*looks at Devil*

*looks at Dracula*

*looks at Devil*

*looks at Dracula*

yeah.... just sayin....

 

[teemu]

there Always there is more than meets the eye,interesting article

Was the “Batman Shooting” a Ritualistic Murder Carried Out by Mind Controlled Patsy?
https://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilan...-murder-carried-out-by-mind-controlled-patsy/

 

[Niltusk]

there Always there is more than meets the eye,interesting article

Was the “Batman Shooting” a Ritualistic Murder Carried Out by Mind Controlled Patsy?
https://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilan...-murder-carried-out-by-mind-controlled-patsy/

No.

Just No!

Teemu, you're way out there, but I have to admit you're definitely one of the more interesting cats on these boards. You always have an interesting perspective whether I agree or not

 

[csi]

there Always there is more than meets the eye,interesting article

Was the “Batman Shooting” a Ritualistic Murder Carried Out by Mind Controlled Patsy?
https://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilan...-murder-carried-out-by-mind-controlled-patsy/

first of all the author is blatantly stealing from other blogs about the same topic. Secondly, the news has retracted the statement that the shooter said he was the Joker. Third, the Joker actually has green hair, not red. Fourth, don't be a conspiracy nutbag

 

[Blackthornone]

Feel free to ignore the entire history of why the word is here in the first place.



Ideas (untrue, immoral, and poorly reasoned) were how he came to the conclusion that he should kill, but nothing made him choose to kill. I would venture to bet that given the raw content of his mind, if most (if not all) of the people in this thread were stuck in his head, they would not have made the same choice.



1) Choices are made in a context. The context consists of information acquired from the world outside of the mind, evaluated and organized by the self as it chose to.

2) All people have the choice in front of them to kill or not in any given moment. It doesn't make them born killers. Most people aren't wrong enough to make the choice that this man made. Many would not make it, regardless of how wrong they became. Some would do it knowing full well how wrong it is. Some would do it only when it the right thing to do, and would be right from stem to stern.

3) Human nature is free will. Nothing makes anyone do anything, unless they are physically forced to do it. Choice and force are opposites.

I have heard that mind control technology exists that allows those who have it to use their devices to tune into a persons exact wavelength of their own thoughts to communicate in their own voice and tell them what to do and the person will think it is their own idea. Supposedly there are jedi mind trick devices that the government has. It can control a person's muscles, too, such as controlling the neck muscles to choke someone to death.
Supposedly this exists. It makes me wonder in this case...
Aside from that, you say that a person makes a choice to do something, which requires willpower in order to carry it out. What if a person has been influenced by outside influences of violence, whatever they are, and then this person simply blindly goes along with what those things inspire in them to do? This would indicate a lack of willpower and a lack of choice.
When someone's inhibitions are lowered for whatever reason and they allow things to happen to them, are they really exercising their free will, or are they giving up their free will? When someone is drugged, are they choosing to have things done to them, or are they allowing things done to them, and are simply not resisting?

 

[BadMoon]

first of all the author is blatantly stealing from other blogs about the same topic. Secondly, the news has retracted the statement that the shooter said he was the Joker. Third, the Joker actually has green hair, not red. Fourth, don't be a conspiracy nutbag

Take your shades off man.

The "other one" just logged on. All we need is Oscorp to complete the tin foil hat trifecta.

 

[Blackthornone]

Take your shades off man.

The "other one" just logged on. All we need is Oscorp to complete the tin foil hat trifecta.

Actually I object to that. My hat is made with silver, not tin.

 

[Niltusk]

Take your shades off man.

The "other one" just logged on. All we need is Oscorp to complete the tin foil hat trifecta.

Seriously? The last thread someone said crap like that in, he popped up like 3 posts later.

 

[teemu]

Take your shades off man.

The "other one" just logged on. All we need is Oscorp to complete the tin foil hat trifecta.

leave them on Badmoon

join us!

 

[teemu]

Actually I object to that. My hat is made with silver, not tin.

mine too,Silver is actually worth something and is REAL Money

 

[Wulf]

Devil. I don't agree with the notion that a part of our mind, in the brain, is exempt from the chemical processes that takes place there and can somehow work independently without a source. What you are saying is basically that our choices works in mysterious ways and are made by the self. Who is the self and where does the self get its sources to make those decisions.

 

[316what]

Yes when you go to Prison, Prison is after your convicted. Jail and Prison are completely different places.

Not necessarily. There are scores of jails that house convicted felons. I previously worked at a county correctional facility that housed pre-trial prisoners along with those convicted of state or federal crimes.

Conversely, prisons almost always only house convicted prisoners.

Until the USA tightens it's gun laws you will continue to have these mass shootings! Why does anyone need to own an assault rifle or a gun for that matter unless you are shooting as a sport, farmer etc The right to bear arms is a 200 year old relic, the excuse that guns don't kill people do is a bit of a cop out. I have been to the USA many times and the amount of crazy people there is pretty scary, combine that with the fact you can walk in to a department store and buy an assault rifle and you have a recipe for disaster. The police are there to protect your property you don't need a gun to do so.

Tighter gun laws won't have any effect....they'll only keep honest people honest.

Is the right to free speech also a 200 year old relic?

You CANNOT just walk into a department store and buy a weapon. Notice I did not say assault rifle, because what is sold in Wal-Mart, etc is not classified under the category assault rifle as the ones sold there are not fully automatic.

On average there is 1 police officer for every 500-1000 citizens...depending no the area you live in. The police cannot be everywhere at once and if they could come to protect your property, it would take them several minutes on average. When it comes to protecting my family, that's several minutes too long.

And for the record, I own 2 weapons: a .357 revolver and a shotgun and have been trained in their use for the last 20 years. Everyone that lives in my household also receives training on their proper use.

 

[BadMoon]

leave them on Badmoon

join us!

Haha!

 

[csi]

Seriously? The last thread someone said crap like that in, he popped up like 3 posts later.

is that something like saying Beatlejuice too many times?

Not necessarily. There are scores of jails that house convicted felons. I previously worked at a county correctional facility that housed pre-trial prisoners along with those convicted of state or federal crimes.

Conversely, prisons almost always only house convicted prisoners.



Tighter gun laws won't have any effect....they'll only keep honest people honest.

Is the right to free speech also a 200 year old relic?

You CANNOT just walk into a department store and buy a weapon. Notice I did not say assault rifle, because what is sold in Wal-Mart, etc is not classified under the category assault rifle as the ones sold there are not fully automatic.

On average there is 1 police officer for every 500-1000 citizens...depending no the area you live in. The police cannot be everywhere at once and if they could come to protect your property, it would take them several minutes on average. When it comes to protecting my family, that's several minutes too long.

And for the record, I own 2 weapons: a .357 revolver and a shotgun and have been trained in their use for the last 20 years. Everyone that lives in my household also receives training on their proper use.

You make a great point that most people, especially the media, seem to overlook. The AR-15 is not an assault rifle.


And after a lot of thought, a lot more conversation, and the state the world is in, as of today I am a gun owner. Actually a multiple gun owner

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Seriously? The last thread someone said crap like that in, he popped up like 3 posts later.

is that something like saying Beatlejuice too many times?

oscorp...
oscorp...
oscorp...

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

Yea, in the other countries they just stab, strangle, poison and beat people to death.

We Americans like to use guns.

keeps ____ clean

 

[Sithlord1975]

I still don't get the whole gun thing and right to use them etc.

I mean I get it, but in alot of ways the US still holds on to old fashioned ideals, that were there and made sense back then, when you did have to police yourself, or protect your farm, or protect yourself from Indians or whatever. It's not the wild west anymore.

I just don't get today why everyone still feels like they need to and have to carry guns. In alot of ways the US is lagging behind the modern times, whether it's gun control, health care etc.

I guess as a Canadian, I just don't and won't get it.