12 shot dead at movie theater

[The Ween]

The point is it heightens the chances, no one can argue that.

Im all for the right to protect yourself, but dont buy any of this black market nonsense, its just an excuse. Harvey and Todd dont head into the hood with 2 Gs on them to buy illegal firearms, just isnt going to happen in the mass that people talk about/

Bottom line these weapons and ammo are just TO accessible in the US so nut bags know they can pull this ____ off. Anywhere else, you really got to try and put this plan together where ANYONE on this board stateside could put togther a mass killing spree in days.

I just feel if there's a will, there's a way, and if he wanted to kill a bunch of people, he would do it, gun or not.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

You made a blanket statment like all psych professionals think the same way. The DSM isn't like a mechanics manual and its interpretation is generally held by who someone was taught by and what theories they believe or don't believe. 20 psychiatrists do an intake, I'd be shocked if 5 match.

I actually hate using the DSM. IMO the problem is that there is no "standard" intake/assessment. I've been working with the VA for 3 years now, and I've seen 3-4 different PTSD assessments used in the same department. The criteria for a diagnosis is the same, but the means to determine a severity vary with each person that does it.

 

[drbrad1975]

1. they arent forcing you to buy it. they are in essence giving you tax relief when purchased.

So paying a tax is a tax relief? My taxes are going up about 1% year (add another 3.8 % on investments) wheither or not I have health insurance (which I do).

2. there have been lots of steps towards a nanny state, many of which more egregious than obamacare. namely the patriot act, forcing telecom companies to hand over records, domestic drone surveillance, tsa scanners, homeland security etc and has been going on since well before obama took office (and he has continued it unfortunately)

Poor example. That is not an example of a nanny state. A nanny state by definition is a government perceived as having excessive interest in or control over the welfare of its citizens, especially in the enforcement of extensive public health and safety regulations.

4. how many of those new taxes get lowered to pre obamacare levels if you have insurance?

None. Now, how is this related to the shooting? It is sad that he may not get the death penalty.

 

[Niltusk]

I actually hate using the DSM. IMO the problem is that there is no "standard" intake/assessment. I've been working with the VA for 3 years now, and I've seen 3-4 different PTSD assessments used in the same department. The criteria for a diagnosis is the same, but the means to determine a severity vary with each person that does it.

I always chuckle to myself (of course) when state or federal surveyors refer to standards. I'm like, this is forensic psych, do you see anything standard in this building?

 

[hoodonit00]

its not a tax break, its going to be a gigantic tax increase. Its also going to lead to a loss of a ton of jobs, creating more welfare and higher Medicaid rolls, meaning much more taxes on you and me. As was posted in my prior post, its estimated by Congress that its going to cost another Trillion dollars to implement, and its going to devastate small business for starters. I would much rather work to put/encourage more people to work, then just give in and let them tax me even more for them. Call me crazy but I have a difficult time meeting my families needs financially, I really don't want to pay for a bunch of other peoples either.

Damn you are on top of this. How many people who have insurance through their employer are going to lose it? Why would a company pay 7 to 10 thousand dollars to insure employees and their families when they can pay a 2000 dollar penalty?

 

[the Doctor]

its mostly because we still have the belief in being self sufficient, well most of us anyways. If you look at statistics socialized medicine is not better then what we have here, unless you can't, or don't want to be responsible for getting insurance on your own. I have a buddy in England who came over here to teach for three years. He was astounded at how easy it was for him to get in to see a doctor and the superior level of care he got compared to England. Same with guns. Do I want to sit in my house hoping the police shop up in time to stop the people who broke in from robbing me? Raping my wife and daughter? Killing us? That may seem enlightened and modern to you, but I prefer to stay self sufficient and alive. Call me crazy.

Do you think the rest of the world feels any different.In all my life i have never lived in a home which was invaded in any way...as a uk'er i can only put that down to guns are not easier to obtain as it is over the pond.

last year when my area was hit by riots i wasn't worrried about guns because its not part of our way of life,

i realise its not what freaks want to here in this thread but at what price are you paying for the right to have firearms?

You bring up a good point. I had to get some shots updated in a pinch last week. I did it as a Nurse visit since my complex now has several Nurse Practitioners, ie, I didn't even call, I stopped in told the lady at the front desk what I needed, in out and on my way in 15 minutes.

I have never had to wait for healthcare and its just becoming easier and easier, but I hear other countries horrible stories of getting medical care. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I have damn good insurance and I'm very comfortable with my health care and its costs.

I'd like to know more on the differences between free health care in the uk and what it costs or doesn't in the states.

 

[the Doctor]

I just feel if there's a will, there's a way, and if he wanted to kill a bunch of people, he would do it, gun or not.

Yes true ,but not as quickly meaning more people would have survived.

 

[csi]

Do you think the rest of the world feels any different.In all my life i have never lived in a home which was invaded in any way...as a uk'er i can only put that down to guns are not easier to obtain as it is over the pond.

last year when my area was hit by riots i wasn't worrried about guns because its not part of our way of life,

i realise its not what freaks want to here in this thread but at what price are you paying for the right to have firearms?

in all my life I have never lived in a home which was invaded in any way either. Doesn't mean I don't want to be prepared in case it happens. I have never been hit by a drunk driver, or had any kind of motor vehicle accident, doesn't mean I am not going to wear my seat belt next time I get in my car. I have never had a broken bone, but I still make sure my insurance is paid. Glad you weren't worried about being shot in the riot, but what would you have done with a guy coming after you with a knife, pipe, bat, or some other improvised weapon? Is your head tougher then a rock that was thrown at it?

 

[Deeznutz6]

I just feel if there's a will, there's a way, and if he wanted to kill a bunch of people, he would do it, gun or not.

I feel the same, but maybe that will is detered if its not as easy to pull off??

I dont know if this is a good comparison, but at what age did you guys and girls start drinking? I was 14 cause I could get my hands on it, yet I still get carded in the US???

 

[csi]

Yes true ,but not as quickly meaning more people would have survived.

I imagine the 168 people killed by Timothy Mcveigh in OKC would disagree with you.

 

[csi]

I feel the same, but maybe that will is detered if its not as easy to pull off??

I dont know if this is a good comparison, but at what age did you guys and girls start drinking? I was 14 cause I could get my hands on it, yet I still get carded in the US???

I'm 41 and never had a drink in my life. I has been readily available to me since I was probably 14ish.

 

[Deeznutz6]

in all my life I have never lived in a home which was invaded in any way either. Doesn't mean I don't want to be prepared in case it happens. I have never been hit by a drunk driver, or had any kind of motor vehicle accident, doesn't mean I am not going to wear my seat belt next time I get in my car. I have never had a broken bone, but I still make sure my insurance is paid. Glad you weren't worried about being shot in the riot, but what would you have done with a guy coming after you with a knife, pipe, bat, or some other improvised weapon? Is your head tougher then a rock that was thrown at it?

I think your analogy is like saying when I fly, I should bring a parachute just in case...

 

[csi]

I think your analogy is like saying when I fly, I should bring a parachute just in case...

If it was practical, they why wouldn't you?

 

[Deeznutz6]

If it was practical, they why wouldn't you?

Practical or not do you really need it when you factor in the odds?

 

[the Doctor]

in all my life I have never lived in a home which was invaded in any way either. Doesn't mean I don't want to be prepared in case it happens. I have never been hit by a drunk driver, or had any kind of motor vehicle accident, doesn't mean I am not going to wear my seat belt next time I get in my car. I have never had a broken bone, but I still make sure my insurance is paid. Glad you weren't worried about being shot in the riot, but what would you have done with a guy coming after you with a knife, pipe, bat, or some other improvised weapon? Is your head tougher then a rock that was thrown at it?

First off i'm not wanting to upset you guys,just putting a different perspective on things.

yeah i was worried in the riots but when you know someone has to come up close to harm you with a nife/bat gives you an advantage over someone who has a gun on pointed at em

 

[The Ween]

I feel the same, but maybe that will is detered if its not as easy to pull off??

I dont know if this is a good comparison, but at what age did you guys and girls start drinking? I was 14 cause I could get my hands on it, yet I still get carded in the US???

I started drinking in high school and that's about how everyone else is here. You can't legally buy or drink in bars here till your 21 but they're suppose to card you if you don't look over 35.

 

[BadMoon]

I imagine the 168 people killed by Timothy Mcveigh in OKC would disagree with you.

People just don't think. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If someone wants a group of people dead they will do it. You can take all the guns of the planet and it would still happen. People are naive to think it wouldn't happen or even be harder. I would guess if he threw a bomb in the theater he would have been far more effective.

 

[Deeznutz6]

First off i'm not wanting to upset you guys,just putting a different perspective on things.

yeah i was worried in the riots but when you know someone has to come up close to harm you with a nife/bat gives you an advantage over someone who has a gun on pointed at em

Ditto

I just dont think people in general are capable on the whole of weilding the power that is behind owning a gun. So by allowing access to virtually anyone you will inevitably cause more violence. Sure there are going to be hero cases but on the whole more guy shot his cheating wife or kid accidently shot his brother and the mass public doesnt hear about those.

 

[the Doctor]

I imagine the 168 people killed by Timothy Mcveigh in OKC would disagree with you.

Is it not more difficult to buy explosives then guns?

a robber or mass murderer wouldn't use tnt anyway unless they want to die also.

 

[csi]

Practical or not do you really need it when you factor in the odds?

when it comes to life or death I would welcome anything that will increase my odds in favor of life. Not really sure why anyone would do otherwise.

First off i'm not wanting to upset you guys,just putting a different perspective on things.

yeah i was worried in the riots but when you know someone has to come up close to harm you with a nife/bat gives you an advantage over someone who has a gun on pointed at em

true, facing a knife is better odds then facing a gun, but the odds are still pretty slim if your attacked and your unarmed. I never owned a gun until today, but the desire to protect my family is just to important to me.