12 shot dead at movie theater

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

so your using your skills of precognition of events that could possible happen if people who currently don't own guns, but could legally if they wanted to, had guns, to back up your opinions about gun control

Precognition? More like common sense based on what I know of these people.

And I'm sure most if not all of these people already own guns.
I'm talking about in public. The open carry law or whatever was just passed here I believe.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Precognition? More like common sense based on what I know of these people.

And I'm sure most if not all of these people already own guns.
I'm talking about in public. The open carry law or whatever was just passed here I believe.

People that have a permit to conceal carry are aware of the consequences for brandishing a firearm unwarranted. I believe it is a felony in just about every state.

 

[csi]

People that have a permit to conceal carry are aware of the consequences for brandishing a firearm unwarranted. I believe it is a felony in just about every state.

but what he said sounds much better as gun control propaganda

 

[Deeznutz6]

People that have a permit to conceal carry are aware of the consequences for brandishing a firearm unwarranted. I believe it is a felony in just about every state.

and whats the max penalty for that?

big $$ or a couple days in a slammer?

 

[csi]

and whats the max penalty for that?

big $$ or a couple days in a slammer?

you find those statistics yet?

 

[hairlesswookiee]

and whats the max penalty for that?

big $$ or a couple days in a slammer?

I'm not sure as most states have different penalties for this offense.


~~Edited because I can't find a valid link with information.

 

[316what]

Alot cheaper than collecting HT Batman line...I know not the time for jokes. At least the debate has ben clean, suprised this stayed opend for 145 pages

As pointed out, if you are legally buying a gun it is NOT cheaper than collecting HT unless it's a cheap POS...but if you want to get it illegally, it probably is cheaper than collecting HT.

I have mixed opinions about gun ownership..

If guns are illegal, as it is here in Sweden, then it will be harder for people to obtain them, but not impossible of course. On the other hand, if you are out walking home in the night and someone with a gun jumps you, you'd wish you had a gun to protect yourself..

Guns are illegal in Washington DC and Chicago. But guess what: those two cities have some of the highest gun violence rates in the US. If you have the $$, it's not hard to illegally obtain a gun. And gun control would do absolutely nothing to stop or slow this trend.

And I've been the victim of a home invasion. It happened when I lived in Italy. I wasn't able to have my firearms with me when I lived there because it's against their laws (although the local police chief did give me a gun he had confiscated from a farmer....go figure). However, the slamming of my baseball bat on the door frame scared the sheet out of them and they took off. Now, had they not been chicken-sheet thieves, things could have turned out badly for me and my wife. That's a risk I will never take again.

 

[Wulf]

Guns are illegal in Washington DC and Chicago. But guess what: those two cities have some of the highest gun violence rates in the US. If you have the $$, it's not hard to illegally obtain a gun.

Can it be because it's easy to bring guns into those states because guns are legal in other states? I'm not arguing against gun ownership, I'm only asking.

And gun control would do absolutely nothing to stop or slow this trend.

I don't think so either. One of the problems is that guns were made available in the first place. Gun control now would not get rid of the weapons from your country.

And I've been the victim of a home invasion. It happened when I lived in Italy. I wasn't able to have my firearms with me when I lived there because it's against their laws (although the local police chief did give me a gun he had confiscated from a farmer....go figure). However, the slamming of my baseball bat on the door frame scared the sheet out of them and they took off. Now, had they not been chicken-sheet thieves, things could have turned out badly for me and my wife. That's a risk I will never take again.

What an awful situation to be in, glad nothing happened to you or your wife. I couldn't live with myself if something happened to my girlfriend and above that: I weren't able to protect her.

I'm actually contemplating if I should obtain a gun illegally. I just don't feel safe anymore in my city, let alone the neighborhood I live in. But I think buying a gun illegally could be more dangerous than not doing it, what if the seller robs me or even worse, kills me for my money. That is, if I even find someone selling guns. Seems to me that one needs to have "connections" for that. Not an "ordinary" citizen like myself.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Alright ladies. I've lost all interest in this thread since it's nowhere near the original topic. Peace out, and remember to always keep your powder dry.

 

[teemu]

They were not robbers?

Yes,and some old,law abiding, good citizen stopped them in their tracks...the man is a real hero,unlike the stupid fictional(super)heroes that people think are real heroes

The point is,an Armed nation stays FREE,for those with the guts to keep it!

 

[BadMoon]

Yes,and some old,law abiding, good citizen stopped them in their tracks...the man is a real hero,unlike the stupid fictional(super)heroes that people think are real heroes

The point is,an Armed nation stays FREE,for those with the guts to keep it!

 

[Wulf]

Yes,and some old,law abiding, good citizen stopped them in their tracks...the man is a real hero,unlike the stupid fictional(super)heroes that people think are real heroes

The point is,an Armed nation stays FREE,for those with the guts to keep it!

So they were robbers planning to massacre everyone there? And that old man defended everyone by starting shooting wild? What if the old man missed? What if the robbers started shooting back? Pure luck that BOTH of the robbers ran off..

 

[hoodonit00]

Human impulse and stupidity is what scares me.

Someone makes you mad enough...why hit them when you have that nice gun at your side. You shoot them.

I know so many people like that.

Actually the majority of gun owners are responsible professional people who understand the great responsibility of gun ownership. Therefore we go out of our way to stay away from trouble.

 

[RonDMC]

Sure you can! Is this better? My reply is still the same. Stay out of my country if you don't want to be here or want to call everyone crazy. If I started bashing the middle east or some other country I would be infracted or banned. But again it's cool to bash the US here.

Wow sounds like I hit a nerve. Obviously you have trouble reading or comprehending, where did I state EVERYONE was crazy? I said there are a lot of crazy people there is a big difference between the two, maybe due to your population, healthcare system or the amount of homeless people etc but I have probably travelled to more US cities than the average American so it’s not something I am just making up. I have many American friends who agree with me, Stay out of your Country? Do you know how stupid you sound right now, do you own it? I wasn’t bashing the US I was giving my opinion just like you have your opinion, you can bash the middle east it’s cool with me.

No they still will happen.
How do you know when no one is open to trying it? You can never fully stop people from getting them but you can make it much harder. I doubt this guy would of got his hands on so much stuff from the black market if most of it was banned. Maybe he would of still gone on a rampage but with a hand gun instead, so yes people would probably still be dead but instead of 12 dead and 48 injured there would be 2 dead and a few injured

Call it whatever you want. The right to bear arms is one of our basic rights
I could understand it back in the days when law and order didn’t exist but we are in 2012 now, you need to change with the times or be prepared for more of these things to happen.

No it's not
Yes it is!

That's a rather rude assumption
See above and it’s not an assumption and I wasn't saying it to offend. There are crazy people in every country but of all the countries I have traveled I have noticed the most in the USA.

No you can't just walk in and buy one. The rules vary from state to state but they all have background checks. Felons can't just walk in and buy what they want. Neither can people that have been involuntarily committed to a mental institution.
Most of the time you will find these nutters have no police record so how is a background check going to help?

Uh huh
I can’t believe this mentality even if you had a gun and someone was stealing your car, TV or Star Wars figures would you really want to get in a gun fight with someone over “stuff” this is why you have insurance. 99.9% of the time if someone is going to rob you they aren’t going to kill you and if they do most of the time they will have the jump on you and the gun you have in the back of the closet in the safe isn’t going to do you any good.

Anyway I’m out of this debate as there are far too many cowboys (gun lovers) to be a fair discussion. I apologise if I offended anyone, I was simply stating my opinion and unless you make a change somewhere these massacres will continue. You will never fully eradicate gun crime even if you banned sales of all guns but banning or highly restricting the sale of high powered high capacity weapons would be a good start….. may the flaming begin!

 

[teemu]

So they were robbers planning to massacre everyone there? And that old man defended everyone by starting shooting wild? What if the old man missed? What if the robbers started shooting back? Pure luck that BOTH of the robbers ran off..

Your whole post is

He saved the day! he prevented these robbers from possibly killing people...how dense can people really be?

 

[Wulf]

Your whole post is

He saved the day! he prevented these robbers from possibly killing people...how dense can people really be?

But they were obviously there just to get the money, not kill people. When the man started shooting at them, they could have shot back, possibly killed one of the SEVERAL civilians standing everywhere in there. And there were TWO robbers! In this situation, I think it was foolish what he did. But in other situations I would support this when it wasn't that risky. As I see it, it was pure luck no one else got hurt and that those robbers weren't tough enough to fight back.

Note: This isn't an argument against gun ownership.

 

[BadMoon]

Anyway I’m out of this debate as there are far too many cowboys (gun lovers) to be a fair discussion. I apologise if I offended anyone, I was simply stating my opinion and unless you make a change somewhere these massacres will continue. You will never fully eradicate gun crime even if you banned sales of all guns but banning or highly restricting the sale of high powered high capacity weapons would be a good start….. may the flaming begin!

I take issue with a lot of your retorts. I'm about to go to bed but I really want to hit one of the topics. To claim I own guns to protect a collection of some sorts is completely and utterly stupid and is an assumption I would expect a foreigner to make. I am armed to protect my family. I will not be a victim if I can help it. Period. I don't welcome an attack and I sure as hell don't like shooting people. However if I must I will do what is needed. To claim I own guns to protect my stuff is offensive.

 

[Phil Sierra]

If this young lady wasn't armed who knows what these two punks would have done to her and her baby.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPhOHamq308[/ame]

 

[BadMoon]

Your whole post is

He saved the day! he prevented these robbers from possibly killing people...how dense can people really be?

I think you have some interesting points of view to say the least. I will say we agree 100% on this topic.

 

[devilof76]

Devil. I don't agree with the notion that a part of our mind, in the brain, is exempt from the chemical processes that takes place there and can somehow work independently without a source. What you are saying is basically that our choices works in mysterious ways and are made by the self. Who is the self and where does the self get its sources to make those decisions.

A choice is its own cause. It's not separate from the organism (self) making it, and the organism is not separate from the world.

Does that help?

@devilof76: Do you spend alot of time trying to talk sense into rocks?

Rocks don't have good questions.

Anyway I’m out of this debate

Pretty sure you were never actually in it.