12 shot dead at movie theater

[hoodonit00]

But they were obviously there just to get the money, not kill people. When the man started shooting at them, they could have shot back, possibly killed one of the SEVERAL civilians standing everywhere in there. And there were TWO robbers! In this situation, I think it was foolish what he did. But in other situations I would support this when it wasn't that risky. As I see it, it was pure luck no one else got hurt and that those robbers weren't tough enough to fight back.

Note: This isn't an argument against gun ownership.

You do know that there are cases where people being robbed have fully cooperated with muggers and have been killed anyway? I posted a story earlier where 2 ex cons broke into a dr's house to rob them. His wife went to the bank and got them the money they wanted. For cooperating he was nearly beat to death. IIRC his wife was raped. His 12 year old daughter was definitely raped. Then the wife and both daughters were tied to their beds and the house set on fire. Read this
story and let me know if he had a gun in his house if it may have turned out different.
https://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/petit_family/index.html

Here is a story from my home state. Should this man have just let these teens keep beating him?
https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1058536-65-yo-man-kills-teen-mugger-wounds-another/

 

[BadMoon]

If I ever cooperate with any mugger it will be to protect my family or manipulate said mugger. If they are armed and I get the chance they are getting hit. I will not be a victim if I can prevent it. Chances are I will never aim my weapon again at anything. But I will always be ready to.

 

[Wulf]

A choice is its own cause. It's not separate from the organism (self) making it, and the organism is not separate from the world.

Does that help?

No.. But it's ok, I don't think we will come to an agreement anyway.

You do know that there are cases where people being robbed have fully cooperated with muggers and have been killed anyway? I posted a story earlier where 2 ex cons broke into a dr's house to rob them. His wife went to the bank and got them the money they wanted. For cooperating he was nearly beat to death. IIRC his wife was raped. His 12 year old daughter was definitely raped. Then the wife and both daughters were tied to their beds and the house set on fire. Read this
story and let me know if he had a gun in his house if it may have turned out different.
https://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/petit_family/index.html

Different situation where I would definitely support the victims shooting the robbers. But they didn't even have guns to protect themselves!

 

[Wulf]

If I ever cooperate with any mugger it will be to protect my family or manipulate said mugger. If they are armed and I get the chance they are getting hit. I will not be a victim if I can prevent it. Chances are I will never aim my weapon again at anything. But I will always be ready to.

I don't disagree with this.

 

[devilof76]

No.. But it's ok, I don't think we will come to an agreement anyway.

I don't want you to agree, I want you to understand.

 

[Wulf]

I don't want you to agree, I want you to understand.

I do understand your view, but I don't agree with it. So I guess, mission accomplished?

 

[RonDMC]

To claim I own guns to protect a collection of some sorts is completely and utterly stupid and is an assumption I would expect a foreigner to make. I am armed to protect my family. .

Lots of people do I hear that defence all the time.

You are probably putting your family in more danger. I personally don't know anyone who owns a gun and are they any less safe than your family? No!

You don't need a whole lot of brains to work out that by allowing every man and his dog to own a gun for self defence you are also allowing every criminal/potential criminal to own a gun, it is a vicious cycle. You could compare it to the nuclear arms race if every country had nuclear weapons would the world be less safe? Of course! If no one had nuclear weapons would the world be a safer place? Definitely! It only takes one nutter to push a button just like it takes one nutter to pull a trigger.

You seem like a very closed minded and insular person with comments like "get of my country" and "foreigner" I suggest you travel a bit and expand your horizons because comments like those don't do your cause any good.

 

[devilof76]

Criminals can't own guns in the U.S. How smart do you need to be to know that?

 

[RonDMC]

Criminals can't own guns in the U.S. How smart do you need to be to know that?

Smart enough to know that if there are more guns on the streets there are more on the black market, more potential for one to me stolen etc plus you missed the part where I said potential and I put that in there for this exact reason because I knew if I didn't I would of got a response like yours.... but guess what I did anyway! so I put the dictionary definition below:

po·ten·tial
 
1.
possible, as opposed to actual: the potential uses of nuclear energy.
2.
capable of being or becoming: a potential danger to safety.

 

[teemu]

Free people own guns,slaves don't

 

[The Ween]

Lots of people do I hear that defence all the time.

You are probably putting your family in more danger. I personally don't know anyone who owns a gun and are they any less safe than your family? No!

You don't need a whole lot of brains to work out that by allowing every man and his dog to own a gun for self defence you are also allowing every criminal/potential criminal to own a gun, it is a vicious cycle. You could compare it to the nuclear arms race if every country had nuclear weapons would the world be less safe? Of course! If no one had nuclear weapons would the world be a safer place? Definitely! It only takes one nutter to push a button just like it takes one nutter to pull a trigger.

You seem like a very closed minded and insular person with comments like "get of my country" and "foreigner" I suggest you travel a bit and expand your horizons because comments like those don't do your cause any good.

And comments like your's don't do your cause any good when you have a whole 15 posts on this message board 4 of which are on this thread. Why not take the time to get to know people before you argue with them?

And I thought you were done with this discussion since there were so many "cowboys" in here?

 

[devilof76]

Smart enough to know that if there are more guns on the streets there are more on the black market, more potential for one to me stolen etc plus you missed the part where I said potential and I put that in there for this exact reason because I knew if I didn't I would of got a response like yours.... but guess what I did anyway! so I put the dictionary definition below:

po·ten·tial
 
1.
possible, as opposed to actual: the potential uses of nuclear energy.
2.
capable of being or becoming: a potential danger to safety.

Thank you Daniel Webster. One of these days I'll read your book. Some day, when I'm smart.

What country do you live in?

 

[Centurion]

This has become quite the interesting thread.

 

[willocrew]

Anyway I’m out of this debate as there are far too many cowboys (gun lovers) to be a fair discussion. I apologise if I offended anyone, I was simply stating my opinion and unless you make a change somewhere these massacres will continue. You will never fully eradicate gun crime even if you banned sales of all guns but banning or highly restricting the sale of high powered high capacity weapons would be a good start….. may the flaming begin!

Exactly.

That was the point I was banging my drums about.

All civilian owned weapons should be restricted to bolt action rifles and only some shotguns.

Handguns should be tightly regulated. You should only be allowed to own one if:
1) You are a competition shooter (& even then, the weapons should be kept Onsite at a secure facility).
2) Your job requires it.

Semi-auto and auto weapons should be 100% prohibited and restricted to only people in the defense forces - I.e. it should be impossible for civies to own one.

I don't care how well trained uncle bob is at the gun club but he has no business owning military grade hardware.

If you enjoy shooting, go get your fix by shooting .22 rim fire rifles. If you need a more powerful centrefire rifle, the onus is on you to show why the rim fire is insufficient to meet your shooting needs.

 

[devilof76]

Yes, ma.

Honestly, who the ____ are you people to be dictating to us?

 

[devilof76]

I do understand your view

No, I don't think you do.

 

[RonDMC]

And comments like your's don't do your cause any good when you have a whole 15 posts on this message board 4 of which are on this thread. Why not take the time to get to know people before you argue with them?

And I thought you were done with this discussion since there were so many "cowboys" in here?

My post count has nothing to do with this subject. I wasn't trying to argue with people simply to argue I was giving my opinion and was trying to have a proper discussion about it and a couple of people took offence to it, not something I intended.

I don't have a cause, just an opinion unlike the gun owners who are extremely defensive about gun ownership and not open to discussion about the issue without silly comments.

You can argue all you want about whether the gun or the person is to blame but I think no one can argue if this guy couldn't get his hands on a gun it wouldn't of happened.

I would have been done but then I got replies and couldn't help myself.

 

[willocrew]

It's not about USA vs the world. It is about gun control. Don't take it personally.

Yes, ma.

Honestly, who the ____ are you people to be dictating to us?

 

[devilof76]

I didn't say it was.

My issue is with people who think they can dictate the terms by which others will live.

My post count has nothing to do with this subject. I wasn't trying to argue with people simply to argue I was giving my opinion and was trying to have a proper discussion about it and a couple of people took offence to it, not something I intended.

Horse____.

I don't have a cause, just an opinion unlike the gun owners who are extremely defensive about gun ownership and not open to discussion about the issue without silly comments.

What you mean is, unlike those who believe in the right to bear arms and have sound arguments for their position, which you and no one else in this thread have been able to refute.

You can argue all you want about whether the gun or the person is to blame but I think no one can argue if this guy couldn't get his hands on a gun it wouldn't of happened.

If his mother had aborted him, it would never have happened. What is your point?

 

[teemu]

Exactly.

That was the point I was banging my drums about.

All civilian owned weapons should be restricted to bolt action rifles and only some shotguns.

Handguns should be tightly regulated. You should only be allowed to own one if:
1) You are a competition shooter (& even then, the weapons should be kept Onsite at a secure facility).
2) Your job requires it.

Semi-auto and auto weapons should be 100% prohibited and restricted to only people in the defense forces - I.e. it should be impossible for civies to own one.

I don't care how well trained uncle bob is at the gun club but he has no business owning military grade hardware.

If you enjoy shooting, go get your fix by shooting .22 rim fire rifles. If you need a more powerful centrefire rifle, the onus is on you to show why the rim fire is insufficient to meet your shooting needs.

Hogwash...

You sound like a liberal and socialist communist,who sent you? Hitler? Stalin? Barry Davis Soetoro?

Yes, ma.

Honestly, who the ____ are you people to be dictating to us?

Just the proud Slaves!

It's not about USA vs the world. It is about gun control. Don't take it personally.

And we have that right,as FREE Men to own guns.Only Dictators are for gun control to enslave a people.

What you mean is, unlike those who believe in the right to bear arms and have sound arguments for their position, which you and no one else in this thread have been able to refute.

that's how liberals think,they enjoy trying to control others,having total disregard to the Constitution and enjoy being surfs as they were bread to be