12 shot dead at movie theater

[BadMoon]

You seem like a very closed minded and insular person with comments like "get of my country" and "foreigner" I suggest you travel a bit and expand your horizons because comments like those don't do your cause any good.

When it comes to my rights I'm VERY closed minded. I have the right to bear arms. If you do not like our laws no need for you to visit. I'm not telling you to get out of my country I'm telling you to stay the ____ away. As for calling you a foreigner? Well what would you like me to call you? I can think of a few other names.

My travels? That's none of your business really. What I can tell you is that I would never travel to a country where I don't believe in their laws. I would love to see things in the middle east. However, I won't be going there anytime soon.

 

[devilof76]

And on top of all that, his grammar sucks.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

"In England, if you commit a crime, the police don't have a gun and you don't have a gun. If you commit a crime, the police will say 'Stop, or I'll say stop again.'"
- Robin Williams

 

[RonDMC]

Here's some more stupid for your clearly superior skull full of crap.

1) Armed insurrection against a tyrannicall government.

2) Self-defense in the event of economic collapse, natural disaster, riot, etc.

3) Recreation

4) Because you're not the boss of me, bub.

All points made previously in this thread, and all points that have been lamely rebuked with the same broken record droning that there is no need for them.

Now, what country did you say you're from?

1. I don't even know how to respond to this one. It is so far out there it is hilarious!

2. Quick Billy Bob there's a Tsunami coming go grab your AK and 12 gauge with armour piercing rounds lets blow this _____ up!

3. This is a fair statement however an Assault Rifle is not needed.

4. I couldn't care less what you do.

I never said what country I was from but I am Australian. We had a massacre back in 1996 where 35 people were killed and shortly after brought in tough new gun laws and haven't had a similar incident since so proof enough on my part that it has worked. I feel safer walking down the street in Australia than the USA. There is no illusion we still have gun crime here, mostly pistols being fired in to houses due to bikie feuds and organised crime and you can still get guns on the black market.

I feel safer knowing that some nutter can't just snap and go and buy an assault rifle anymore and go on a rampage.

I highly doubt you will read them but here are a couple of links to back my position and prove that tougher gun legislation works.

You can read about the massacre here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

Our gun laws here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

Here’s my proof that it works, where is your proof that it doesn't? or are you just going to resort back to name calling and silly comments?

 

[RonDMC]

My travels? That's none of your business really. What I can tell you is that I would never travel to a country where I don't believe in their laws. I would love to see things in the middle east. However, I won't be going there anytime soon.

So in other words you have never left the United States! This is all you had to say no need to try and sugar coat it.

 

[BadMoon]

So in other words you have never left the United States! This is all you had to say no need to try and sugar coat it.

Glad you have me all figured out.

 

[BadMoon]

1. I don't even know how to respond to this one. It is so far out there it is hilarious!

2. Quick Billy Bob there's a Tsunami coming go grab your AK and 12 gauge with armour piercing rounds lets blow this _____ up!

3. This is a fair statement however an Assault Rifle is not needed.

4. I couldn't care less what you do.

I never said what country I was from but I am Australian. We had a massacre back in 1996 where 35 people were killed and shortly after brought in tough new gun laws and haven't had a similar incident since so proof enough on my part that it has worked. I feel safer walking down the street in Australia than the USA. There is no illusion we still have gun crime here, mostly pistols being fired in to houses due to bikie feuds and organised crime and you can still get guns on the black market.

I feel safer knowing that some nutter can't just snap and go and buy an assault rifle anymore and go on a rampage.

I highly doubt you will read them but here are a couple of links to back my position and prove that tougher gun legislation works.

You can read about the massacre here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

Our gun laws here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

Here’s my proof that it works, where is your proof that it doesn't? or are you just going to resort back to name calling and silly comments?

I will comment on number 4. You do care. So much so that you keep on posting uneducated nonesense in this thread. You are also pretty good at making assumptions in regards to people you never met. Congrats on not contributing anything to this thread other than stupidity.

 

[RonDMC]

Glad you have me all figured out.

Watch this video the whole thing preferably but if you don't have time from 3:30 onwards and you will understand what I am talking about

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ3RrqBqk14[/ame]

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8UcK9w1M3Q[/ame]

 

[devilof76]

1. I don't even know how to respond to this one. It is so far out there it is hilarious!

Ad hominem.

2. Quick Billy Bob there's a Tsunami coming go grab your AK and 12 gauge with armour piercing rounds lets blow this _____ up!

Ad hominem.

3. This is a fair statement however an Assault Rifle is not needed.

It is if you want to fire an assault rifle. Can you actually come up with a reason why I should not be able to?

4. I couldn't care less what you do.

You care if I own an assault rifle.

I never said what country I was from but I am Australian. We had a massacre back in 1996 where 35 people were killed and shortly after brought in tough new gun laws and haven't had a similar incident since so proof enough on my part that it has worked. I feel safer walking down the street in Australia than the USA. There is no illusion we still have gun crime here, mostly pistols being fired in to houses due to bikie feuds and organised crime and you can still get guns on the black market.

So if someone decided to do it again, they could.

I feel safer knowing that some nutter can't just snap and go and buy an assault rifle anymore and go on a rampage.

You're kidding yourself. They can. What will you do when it happens again?

I highly doubt you will read them but here are a couple of links to back my position and prove that tougher gun legislation works.

Works to disarm non-criminals. *golfclap*

Heres my proof that it works, where is your proof that it doesn't? or are you just going to resort back to name calling and silly comments?

In the first place, you didn't prove anything other than your government is prone to kneejerk reactions and that you are easily lulled into a false sense of security.

In the second place, stop clucking about namecalling. Your last several posts (not including the one where you feigned innocence to Ween calling you out) have repeatedly insulted whoever you were addressing. Ask, and you shall receive.

 

[BadMoon]

Now here is someone that makes sense.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALTEsF6RyH8&hd=1[/ame]

 

[hoodonit00]

I find it ironic that people from all over the world lambast the US government for sticking their noses in where they don't belong. They don't trust our government and think it is shady. But when American citizens say it's their right to be armed so that we could stand up to a tyranical government we are labeled as crazies or conspiracy theorist. Foriegners don't trust our government but you expect us to?

And for those saying "that's what the police are for". The police to not have to protect you.
https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/kasler-protection.html
And for those who think "well that's coming from a firearms site". I can supply a link from the New York Times that says the same thing if you want.
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html

 

[wofford29]

They're also the first ones to cry out for our help when ____ hits the fan.

 

[RonDMC]

In the first place, you didn't prove anything other than your government is prone to kneejerk reactions and that you are easily lulled into a false sense of security.

In the second place, stop clucking about namecalling. Your last several posts (not including the one where you feigned innocence to Ween calling you out) have repeatedly insulted whoever you were addressing. Ask, and you shall receive.

I would have a better discussion talking to a brick wall. I am not going over it all again because you have your opinion and I have mine, even if I do think most of what you are saying is absolutely ridiculous. The name calling was started by the Cowboys who will defend their gun laws at any cost and are not open to debate.

I really don't care because I don't live there so what effect does it have on me? I was simply trying to put forth a solution to these bi-annual shootings you have and feel sorry for the families of the victims who will be killed by assault rifles in the future as these incidents will continue to happen, but screw peoples lives right? Your right to own assault rifles are more important than peoples right to live.

It is easier to stop the flow of assault rifles than it is to read peoples minds and determine if they are going to go on a killing spree. I am not the one defending the rights of people to own something designed to kill. you are, so who is the crazy one?

 

[hairlesswookiee]

1. I don't even know how to respond to this one. It is so far out there it is hilarious!

Do you not know anything about history?

2. Quick Billy Bob there's a Tsunami coming go grab your AK and 12 gauge with armour piercing rounds lets blow this _____ up!

Now who's doing the name calling?

3. This is a fair statement however an Assault Rifle is not needed.

This is not for you to decide.

4. I couldn't care less what you do.

Yet you keep telling what we should/should not do. You obviously do care, even a little.

shortly after brought in tough new gun laws and haven't had a similar incident since so proof enough on my part that it has worked. I feel safer walking down the street in Australia than the USA. There is no illusion we still have gun crime here, mostly pistols being fired in to houses due to bikie feuds and organised crime and you can still get guns on the black market.

You haven't proven anything. You're just saying you can't legally buy guns while the criminals in your county can arm themselves to the teeth.

I highly doubt you will read them but here are a couple of links to back my position and prove that tougher gun legislation works.

You can read about the massacre here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

Our gun laws here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

Here’s my proof that it works, where is your proof that it doesn't? or are you just going to resort back to name calling and silly comments?

You're absolutely correct that I'm not going to read them. Wikipedia is hardly a credible source for any information, but someone of your stature would know this correct? And we've already proven multiple times in this thread that tighter gun laws do NOT work.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

"In England, if you commit a crime, the police don't have a gun and you don't have a gun. If you commit a crime, the police will say 'Stop, or I'll say stop again.'"
- Robin Williams

although he's trying to be sarcastic, he's right. Police don't have guns and criminals (moslty) don't have guns so by some kindof voodoo magic no one gets shot

 

[csi]

They're also the first ones to cry out for our help when ____ hits the fan.

so freaking true.

1. I don't even know how to respond to this one. It is so far out there it is hilarious!

2. Quick Billy Bob there's a Tsunami coming go grab your AK and 12 gauge with armour piercing rounds lets blow this _____ up!

3. This is a fair statement however an Assault Rifle is not needed.

4. I couldn't care less what you do.

I never said what country I was from but I am Australian. We had a massacre back in 1996 where 35 people were killed and shortly after brought in tough new gun laws and haven't had a similar incident since so proof enough on my part that it has worked. I feel safer walking down the street in Australia than the USA. There is no illusion we still have gun crime here, mostly pistols being fired in to houses due to bikie feuds and organised crime and you can still get guns on the black market.

I feel safer knowing that some nutter can't just snap and go and buy an assault rifle anymore and go on a rampage.

I highly doubt you will read them but here are a couple of links to back my position and prove that tougher gun legislation works.

You can read about the massacre here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

Our gun laws here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia

Here’s my proof that it works, where is your proof that it doesn't? or are you just going to resort back to name calling and silly comments?

I feel much safer in my country knowing that Australia has a higher homicide rate then we do. Looks like the only thing your gun control laws have accomplished is make it so victims cannot defend themselves. Good job Australia!!

If you believe that we are entitled to use guns because it is part of a cultural heritage, I agree 100%. And I also think that you do not need military grade hardware to enjoy shooting or hunting and other recreational activities.

But if you believe that gun ownership is an entitlement to safeguard certain freedoms and other similar political motivations, that is simply foolish. (and incidentally, folks who pursue this line of thinking also believe they should be able to own full auto guns so that they have a chance against organized armed forces).

Uncle bob at your local gun club who has zero combat fitness will not be able to save your derrière if some hitler-like power monger decides to let loose his private army of well trained private military contractors on congress to intimidate voters.

If it gets that bad, everyone is in trouble. The idea is not to let it get that bad in the first place.

There are constitutional safeguards in all western nations that operates to preserve the system of demographic government. But of course if you live in Iran you might be in trouble cuz your constitution has a provision that says the entire system of iranian government will be abolished when the al Mahdi returns (some messianic figure).

But if you're living in an English speaking nation, there are constitional guarantees that operate on the basis of the rule of law (aka you respect the fact that you come under the control of the ruling law of the land).

The political rethoric associated with pro gun movements fundamentally supports this notion of anarchy; I.e. if you're not happy with the government you protest using your guns. This IMO is absolute rubbish.

If a person subscribes to political anarchy, I suggest that they should migrate to one of the many African nations and see how they enjoy living alongside all those african war lords. At least they'll get to keep their guns.

This post is so full of condescending naivete its hilarious.

1. The country was founded on simple men who took up arms against a trained armed forces. Seemed to turn out pretty well for them, don't see why it couldn't again if needed to be.

2. The if it gets bad everyone is in trouble line has got the be the stupidest thing I have ever read. So if it gets bad your just going to pack it in and give up. Great, get the hell out of the way while I fight for me freedom.

3. I don't know if you have checked lately but our Constitutional safeguards are slowly getting eroded. I also find it ironic you want to use Constitutional Safeguards as your defense for destroying the 2nd Amendment

4. When was the last time you saw a Government protest here in the US with guns? Seems your the one trying to use rhetoric in a desperate attempt to seem smarter then everyone else.

5. You know why African Warlords are able to have so much power and cut a swath of destruction through their country? Because they have all the guns. Do you really think everyday African people would just sit back and take it if they were well armed? Probably the dumbest thing I have read in this thread.

My post count has nothing to do with this subject. I wasn't trying to argue with people simply to argue I was giving my opinion and was trying to have a proper discussion about it and a couple of people took offence to it, not something I intended.

I don't have a cause, just an opinion unlike the gun owners who are extremely defensive about gun ownership and not open to discussion about the issue without silly comments.

You can argue all you want about whether the gun or the person is to blame but I think no one can argue if this guy couldn't get his hands on a gun it wouldn't of happened.

I would have been done but then I got replies and couldn't help myself.

again, it has been successfully argued many times in this thread that even if guns were not available to this person, he still could have caused as much, if not more damage. Timothy Mcveigh killed 168 people in less time, with materials that are significantly easier to get his hands on, and in a lot less time. If deranged people want to kill they can and will. You don't like guns, then don't own one.

Lots of people do I hear that defence all the time.

You are probably putting your family in more danger. I personally don't know anyone who owns a gun and are they any less safe than your family? No!

You don't need a whole lot of brains to work out that by allowing every man and his dog to own a gun for self defence you are also allowing every criminal/potential criminal to own a gun, it is a vicious cycle. You could compare it to the nuclear arms race if every country had nuclear weapons would the world be less safe? Of course! If no one had nuclear weapons would the world be a safer place? Definitely! It only takes one nutter to push a button just like it takes one nutter to pull a trigger.

You seem like a very closed minded and insular person with comments like "get of my country" and "foreigner" I suggest you travel a bit and expand your horizons because comments like those don't do your cause any good.

Hi, let me introduce myself. I'm Thomas. I own a gun. Now you know someone who's family is more safe then your other friends.

In your world only the criminals would have guns. Thats not a world I want to live in.

 

[BadMoon]

although he's trying to be sarcastic, he's right. Police don't have guns and criminals (moslty) don't have guns so by some kindof voodoo magic no one gets shot

Yet by some kind of magic the UK still has some of the highest crime rates. Go figure!

However, offenders are locked up for shorter periods than in comparable countries – raising questions about claims made by Ken Clarke, the Justice Secretary, that too many criminals were being jailed.


The study found that England and Wales ranked highly in a survey of crime rates among more than 30 developed counries, based on the frequency of crimes recorded by police for every 100,000 people.


For burglaries and robberies England and Wales had more crimes per 100,000 people than the USA.


England and Wales was ranked sixth for burglaries – worse than Sweden, Slovenia, the Czech Republic, Turkey, Italy and Chile - and for robberies, England and Wales was seventh.


For rapes, England and Wales was ranked ninth, worse than the likes of Norway, Poland, Sweden, Australia and Germany, while for car thefts, England and Wales was eighth – worse than Slovenia, Chile, Mexico, Greece and the Czech Republic.


The figures, from the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, draw together crimes recorded by police in the countries studied and is published every six years.

They date from 2006 because of difficulties in obtaining accurate comparable figures.

 

[hoodonit00]

I would have a better discussion talking to a brick wall. I am not going over it all again because you have your opinion and I have mine, even if I do think most of what you are saying is absolutely ridiculous. The name calling was started by the Cowboys who will defend their gun laws at any cost and are not open to debate.

I really don't care because I don't live there so what effect does it have on me? I was simply trying to put forth a solution to these bi-annual shootings you have and feel sorry for the families of the victims who will be killed by assault rifles in the future as these incidents will continue to happen, but screw peoples lives right? Your right to own assault rifles are more important than peoples right to live.

It is easier to stop the flow of assault rifles than it is to read peoples minds and determine if they are going to go on a killing spree. I am not the one defending the rights of people to own something designed to kill. you are, so who is the crazy one?

So do I have your stance right that you're not really anti-gun but just anti-assault rifle?

 

[RonDMC]

I feel much safer in my country knowing that Australia has a higher homicide rate then we do. Looks like the only thing your gun control laws have accomplished is make it so victims cannot defend themselves. Good job Australia!!

Did you just make that up or something? We have some of the lowest homicide rates in the world, the US has almost 5 times us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Let me guess it's wikipedia so you won't believe it? But if it supported your case I'm sure you would!

I have never been mugged, robbed, had my car stolen, never had to call the police or been in to a police station for that matter. I feel safe sorry if you can't understand that. Even if we had gun laws that allowed people to buy them for self defense I wouldn't get one, I have no need.

 

[RonDMC]

So do I have your stance right that you're not really anti-gun but just anti-assault rifle?

Personally I can't see the need for any gun for self defense but that is because we come from different countries with different laws and cultures, handguns I can understand for recreation, low capacity rifles I can understand for pest control, hunting etc but military grade stuff makes it too easy for a single person to take a lot of lives, much harder to do this with a handgun or a low capacity rifle.

You say it is your right to own assault rifles, why not rocket launchers, grenades, flame throwers etc where do you draw the line? The arguments put forth from others should cover the items I just mentioned above so why not?

I might want to throw a few grenades for recreation. Seems stupid doesn't it but that's how I feel with assault rifles. You can still defend yourself with a handgun or bolt action rifle.