12 shot dead at movie theater

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

You really wouldn't even need statistics for "shootings." If there's still a high crime rate in the UK despite the stringent gun control laws, it proves those laws are ineffective.

i didn't state otherwise, i simply said less shootings because there's much less guns.

didn't say anything about crime

 

[BadMoon]

Severe warning for multiple use of same GIF to demonstrate disillusionment with countering argument.

Australian GIF to cleanse the palette.

WHO IS THAT?

 

[DarthNeil]

WHO IS THAT?

Knew that would lighten the mood. Viral vid of Australian hurdler Michelle Jenneke... and no, she won this race but unfortunately didn't qualify for London.

 

[thenammagazine]

i didn't state otherwise, i simply said less shootings because there's much less guns.

didn't say anything about crime

Any idiot can determine that. But it's narrowing perspective to fit a bias point of view. If you outlawed knives, there'd be less stabbings because knives would then be illegal. But it wouldn't stop stabbings overall, much like gun control hasn't stopped shootings. Gun control isn't going to stop criminals from getting guns just as knife control wouldn't stop them from getting knives. If crime overall hasn't been reduced by more stringent gun control laws, then what purpose do those laws serve? Look at crime overall to get a much fairer, unbiased assessment of where you stand in the argument and you'll see it's on thin ice.

I think Texas is a good example of the opposite point you were trying to make. There's less crime in the towns where laws permit open carrying of firearms. Why is that? Because the criminal understands there's a lot more at risk because they're no longer simply attacking an innocent, unarmed victim.

 

[BadMoon]

Knew that would lighten the mood. Viral vid of Australian hurdler Michelle Jenneke... and no, she won this race but unfortunately didn't qualify for London.

And only 19 I see. Perfect!

Man did she know what she was doing or what? Hmmm I'm not a very good runner but I'll get their attention.

 

[The Ween]

Moviegoers in Sierra Visa, Arizona, panicked when a man who appeared intoxicated was confronted during a showing of the movie. The Cochise County Sheriff's office said it caused "mass hysteria" and about 50 people fled the theatre.

Michael William Borboa, 27, was arrested on suspicion of disorderly conduct, and threatening and intimidating.

A Maine man was arrested when he told authorities that he was on his way to shoot a former employer a day after watching "The Dark Knight Rises," Maine state police said Monday.

Timothy Courtois of Biddeford, Maine, had been stopped for speeding, and a police search of his car found an AK-47 assault weapon, four handguns, ammunition and news clippings about the mass shooting that left 12 people dead early Friday, authorities said.

In Southern California, a man at a Sunday afternoon showing of the film was arrested after witnesses said he made threats and alluded to the Colorado shooting when the movie didn't start.

Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies were called to a cinema complex in Norwalk after moviegoers said 52-year-old Clark Tabor shouted: "I should go off like in Colorado." They said he then asked: "Does anybody have a gun?"


It's just WAY to easy....

Let me just say also. I live in Canada. I live right across from Detroit. Now if you know anything about Detroit and what goes on there on a daily basis, you can see what I see and how contrasting it is just to live across the water, not 10 minutes away in Ontario. And it's like night and day.

From the way Valfar has painted Toronto though, it's getting pretty bad there. And most of the US isn't like Detroit.

 

[teemu]

And only 19 I see. Perfect!

Man did she know what she was doing or what? Hmmm I'm not a very good runner but I'll get their attention.

She actually smoked everybody away in that race

 

[thenammagazine]

She actually smoked everybody away in that race

While the uninformed scoff at her "dancing for the camera" you can see how it loosened up her hips when she breezes over the hurdles.

 

[The Ween]

Someone already has and I couldn't care less. I could get a hand gun if I wanted to join a gun club and wait 6 months. I would have to prove I had a legitimate use for a gun and self defense is not classified as a legitimate use here.I don't even know of any gun shops here off the top of my head.

If someone wanted to take away my rights for freedom of speech, freedom to vote, live in a democracy then that would be another story.

This is what is disturbing, they are becoming so common now your media is referring to these incidents as "Natural Disasters"

BEFORE the dead had even been carried from the cinema in Colorado on Friday afternoon, a CBS broadcaster said in a solemn radio editorial: ''We'll eventually find out who James Holmes is, but he's not a terrorist, we're told, and thousands of other showings were peaceful, so really we have to start seeing these things as natural disasters, like an earthquake or a tornado.''

And that the point he was making was that they are RARE.

 

[DarthNeil]

From the way Valfar has painted Toronto though, it's getting pretty bad there. And most of the US isn't like Detroit.

I don't agree with everything that Michael Moore has ever come up with but his documentary Bowling for Columbine offers some interesting insight into the two countries (specifically the Detroit and Windsor area) and the differences with their views on guns. He's being interviewed on Piers Morgan's show tonight so I'm sure there'll be some gas added to this gun debate fire.

 

[thenammagazine]

And that the point he was making was that they are RARE.

About as rare as say, the Port Arthur massacre in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded.

 

[RonDMC]

Oh, no. I am very, very clearly addressing them as separate issues. Re-read my posts. And whether we know what is going on outside our borders is a weak way to try to deflect your lack of ability to support your point. And based on the opinions, accusations and support information you have posted on this topic, I can say that you suffer the same ignorance...but the difference is that you chose to lash out at the gun ownership and the "Cowboy" attitude of the U.S. and it now seems that you don't really understand it very well. Oh...and didn't you say that exact thing?

There are a few fringe ideas that I have had as well and I am interested to bring them up. But I would like to get the primary issues resolved first.

The topic was not "what has Australia done for the world" the topic was "The U.S. is a horrible place because they can own powerful guns and they are "Cowboys" (to paraphrase).

You are the one who, like everyone else I have ever seen try to agrue the same points, keeps dragging in fringe and invalid information.

I am not trying to be a jerk to you. But I have to be honest, I get frustrated with hearing this same accusation time and time again and hearing the people making it using the same fringe or invalid information to try to support their opinion.

If you don't like the conditions. Just say I don't like the conditions and maybe say why you don't.

I have made many valid points, we have not had one mass shooting since we brought in tough gun legislation and the statistics I provided above. The funny thing is I have not heard one shred of proof from any of the pro-gun guys in this thread to suggest it wouldn't help! I am to simply take the word of a gun enthusiast on a figures forum that tougher gun laws wouldn't help in these situations?

All I know is that if I was American I would want my kids to grow up in the safest environment possible and a place where guns run rampant is not safe place in my opinion. I would like to know that my kids could go to the movies without fear of being shot.

My suggestion was to simply limit the supply of high powered/capacity weapons but I know this will never happen because the NRA is way too powerful. Unfortunately maybe after a few more incidents like this it will happen.

I would really like to hear your theory on how to stop these mass shootings or are you just willing to accept this as a part of American life and label them a natural disaster?

 

[The Ween]

We have natural disasters all the time floods, fires, cyclones etc we have had towns wiped off the map, never heard of people ever needing guns or looting on a large scale. Over here people will band together to help each other out. I think this is more of a reflection on your society than a justification for gun ownership in that scenario.

We have that too, unfortunately the media, from all over the world, would rather center on the bad stuff here, rather than the good. That's why some people have such a bad image of us.

The good far outweighs the bad.

 

[RonDMC]

And that the point he was making was that they are RARE.

Not even close the point being made here was that they are unpreventable just like a natural disaster.

 

[thenammagazine]

Not even close the point being made here was that they are unpreventable just like a natural disaster.

Has gun control in Oz prevented all shootings?

 

[BadMoon]

She actually smoked everybody away in that race

I was just commenting on her not making the olympics. She made my olympics!

 

[thenammagazine]

I was just commenting on her not making the olympics. She made my olympics!

I'm certain she's made quite a few freaks olympians.

 

[The Ween]

I don't agree with everything that Michael Moore has ever come up with but his documentary Bowling for Columbine offers some interesting insight into the two countries (specifically the Detroit and Windsor area) and the differences with their views on guns. He's being interviewed on Piers Morgan's show tonight so I'm sure there'll be some gas added to this gun debate fire.

I don't care for either one of those guys so I'll pass. Both bags of wind most of the time.

 

[RonDMC]

Has gun control in Oz prevented all shootings?

No and I stated that earlier. You can still get guns on the black market. The people who go on these rampages are nut cases, they are typically loners who snap or have some underlying mental issues. It's not the criminals buying the guns from the black market you have to worry about it's the nutters who snap, walk in to a gun store and buy guns and go and kill 20 people. As I mentioned typically the nutters are loners how are they going to have contacts on the black market to buy guns?

 

[BadMoon]

I'm certain she's made quite a few freaks olympians.

The only accent I enjoy coming out of a woman is an aussie one.

Its the way they say O.