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And Jack turns away Kim...now how's he gonna get better? 
24...duh duh....duh duh...duh duh....(spoilers!)
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Darklord Dave
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In this episode I was wondering, "why is Tony doing all the work? Maybe they're grooming him to take over when Jack dies." But I guess not.
And I'm sure we haven't seen the last of Kim.
And I'm sure we haven't seen the last of Kim.
darkknight
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Dammit! I would of been surprise if I haven't looked in this forum before watching the episode, my fault
With Jack getting back in the field in the next episode I'm interested how he will handle himself. He is already suffering dementia.
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Hey - I have watched 6 season + the tv movie... I have not watched the current season that is on air.
My questions is... did President Logan Die? The last I saw of him he was being rushed away in an ambulance. I was wondering if they ever went back and addressed it?
My questions is... did President Logan Die? The last I saw of him he was being rushed away in an ambulance. I was wondering if they ever went back and addressed it?
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We know that there’s going to be a season 8 so Jack has to survive. Tony could die (for real) at the end of this season but I’ll believe it when I see the body! 
Damn...that was unexpected...the look on Tony's face as he did the deed was really cold.
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Now that was one hell of an episode!!!!!!
WOW!!!!!
That was incredible!!!!!
WOW!!!!!
That was incredible!!!!!
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I missed it last night...what did Tony do?
Trust me, you'll be better off watching the episode yourself. Anyways guys, sorry for swearing so much in my last message (even though it was bleeped). I've never been so mad while watching a single episode
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darkknight
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Ok, so I'm trying to watch the past seasons online. I watched seasons 1 and 2 online, but its not the same as watching it on the TV. I don't got any DVD seasons and plan on getting 1-6. There is someone selling it on craigslist for $125 for seasons 1-6 used, its the original release with 6 disc in each box rather than the newer release. Anyone know if its a deal, or know where I could purchase those DVD excluding ebay?
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Who am I going to have to torture to get the answer...
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It smelled fishy once Larry told the FBI agent to take the handcuffs off of Tony.
.....it sucks. Tony you ^^^bag.
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Yeah jeez, who saw that coming?? Oh wait. . .
Yeah I got that same feeling...
I did. . . haha.
There was no reason for Tony to stick around after the original CIP device thread was wrapped up. The minute Jack called Tony to help him with the new threat, I knew something was up. It's just the way 24 does stuff. And yeah, the lingering camera on Tony in the helicopter was a dead giveaway.
The thing that really blows that is that Tony got a lame death scene but now he's going to get a villian's death, and not the hero's death he should've gotten.
I just found this on google. Carlos Bernard gives and interview and responds to concerns about Tony. The entire interview is in this message, but, you can also check out the following link:
https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sh...d-speaks-out-on-tonys-turn-for-the-worst.html
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'24': Carlos Bernard talks about Tony Almeida's turn for the worse
10:38 PM PT, Apr 13 2009
Tony Almeida may have come back from the dead, but he's not coming back from this.
We could deal with Resurrected Tony's shaved head, that questionable patch of chin hair, his temporary alliance with the baddies who revived him. But you don't snuff out the good guys and live to tell about it on "24." (When Jack Bauer killed CTU director Ryan Chappelle – his upstanding if insufferable boss – in Season 3, his hand was forced by a terrorist.)
No, in tonight's episode, Tony not only made off with a WMD of his very own, he murdered FBI agent Larry Moss to get it. Larry, who was finally getting behind Jack's effective if unorthodox ways. Larry, whose eyes bugged out in terror as he was choked to death by Tony the Traitor. It was almost as bad as watching Edgar's pitiful demise.
For now, Tony's moves are suspect. Even in Jack's weakened state, we all know he's Tony's match. Jack tazes phones, knives sources who won't give him answers and bulldozes his enemies. Literally, not figuratively. We try to pry more information out of actor Carlos Bernard about Tony's about-face and whether he’ll live to see Day 8. Unfortunately, Bernard is a formidable opponent:
After tonight's episode, Tony is dead to me ... but I still want to know what his deal is.
Um, well, I can’t really tell you what’s ultimately behind his actions.
Still pissed at the government for Michelle's death, I presume?
I think he’s motivated by still being stuck in a place of anger and resentment. He still feels betrayed by the government.
So this has all been one big setup? The whole time he was just playing poor (now dead) Bill Buchanan?
Yeah, this has been his plan.
That's pretty evil. Did you know Tony would turn out this way when the producers told you they were bringing him back to life?
We knew it was going to go in this direction, yeah. How it was actually going to play out, you never know. It’s such a complex show to write. They’ll map out where they think a character is going to go and see if it actually plays with the story. But it was always in the back of our minds that this is where he was going. It was just a matter of how he was going to get there over the season.
Did that make sense to you? Jack Bauer’s wife was killed too and you don't see him taking it out on America with biochemical weapons.
It felt very organic, oddly enough. (Laughs) As an actor, you can’t judge your character. The only way I have to go about it is to put myself in the situation of the character and the circumstance of what he’s been through and play it. Is he a good guy or bad guy? That’s up to the audience. But for me? If I were to judge? It made perfect sense.
Tony almeida How so?
As the rest of the episodes play out, I found myself completely on Tony's side as far as what he believed he was doing. It’s very strange.
That sounds kind of scary.
(Laughs) It is a little scary, yeah. I can’t go into what goes on in the episodes to come but I remember when we were done shooting, and all of the producers had seen the final cut of the final episodes, one of them looked at me funny and asked, ‘Did you believe what was coming out of your mouth?’ And I said, ‘You know what? Absolutely, I believed it. It made sense to me.’
Is it safe to say there are other things Tony's pissed off about? Not to belittle Michelle’s death…
There is more to it than that. I just can’t spell it out.
I read in Entertainment Weekly that in the upcoming episodes “Tony finds time for some nookie.” Explain.
Well, I wouldn’t say he finds ‘time for nookie.’ I would say that there’s a character that is revealed who Tony's involved with. Not a familiar face, someone new.
What is his end game? Is he going to cross paths with the season's other sneaky villain, the president's daughter Olivia?
There’s no crossing paths with Olivia. It’s so frustrating, probably more so for you, as far as these interviews go. I can't say what else he's up to. Honestly, the other hard part about talking about this now is that we shot this season so long ago, it's hard to remember what exactly happens. I don’t watch the show either, so....
You don’t watch? Because of last season? You need to jump back in. It's so much better this year.
That’s good to hear. (Laughs) No, I’m not great at watching stuff I’m in. Also, I already know what happens -- even though I can’t remember what happens right now when you’re asking me about individual episodes. (Laughs) I know how it turns out and that sort of takes the fun out of it. I think the last season I watched was the second season and that sort of took me over the edge. I’m just not good at watching myself.
But you're aware that this is a major resurgence for the show.
I know that just by reading the scripts and by what we were doing on set. I definitely got the feeling that this was going to be one of the stronger years for the show, if not the best.
Why?
I think the story got more personal again. I always felt like '24' was best when it was rooted in the characters and not trying to outdo itself with big crises. It’s like the bombs were getting bigger and bigger and the crises were getting bigger. I think it’s better when it’s told on a smaller scale. The first season was like that and this season reminded me of that first season in the way it plays out.
Also, I just think we’re probably one of the few if not only show that was helped by the strike. What the writers do on this show is just crazy. On a regular year, they’re writing up against the gun and like a Rubik’s cube, everything has to fit together. The strike gave us a whole extra year to stop and go back and rewrite things that weren’t working, reshoot things we weren’t happy with. It just gave us the amount of time that the show should take.
It’s been quite a comeback so far.
Those of us who have been there from the beginning, this is our baby, we really care about it. We know what a big commitment it is to watch 24 episodes of a show and we really value the fans’ commitment. I wasn’t there for the sixth season, but I know people were a little disappointed with it, and I think everyone came back with a vengeance to bring the show back to the way it used to be. Back to as good as it should be.
Can I ask you if Chloe will be back?
Yeah, she’s coming back.
As an adversary for you, no doubt.
She’s obviously going to be … oh boy. (Laughs) She’ll come into play. She comes back, and she’s in the mix. Now I’m trying to remember why she comes back. Aren’t I a great interview?
That's enough of a spoiler to tide me over. Do you think, knowing how this season ends, Tony will be back for Season 8?
Well, that’s just a crazy question! Day 7 isn't over yet! But I say there’s room. He came back from the dead, so, sure, why not?
https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sh...d-speaks-out-on-tonys-turn-for-the-worst.html
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'24': Carlos Bernard talks about Tony Almeida's turn for the worse
10:38 PM PT, Apr 13 2009
Tony Almeida may have come back from the dead, but he's not coming back from this.
We could deal with Resurrected Tony's shaved head, that questionable patch of chin hair, his temporary alliance with the baddies who revived him. But you don't snuff out the good guys and live to tell about it on "24." (When Jack Bauer killed CTU director Ryan Chappelle – his upstanding if insufferable boss – in Season 3, his hand was forced by a terrorist.)
No, in tonight's episode, Tony not only made off with a WMD of his very own, he murdered FBI agent Larry Moss to get it. Larry, who was finally getting behind Jack's effective if unorthodox ways. Larry, whose eyes bugged out in terror as he was choked to death by Tony the Traitor. It was almost as bad as watching Edgar's pitiful demise.
For now, Tony's moves are suspect. Even in Jack's weakened state, we all know he's Tony's match. Jack tazes phones, knives sources who won't give him answers and bulldozes his enemies. Literally, not figuratively. We try to pry more information out of actor Carlos Bernard about Tony's about-face and whether he’ll live to see Day 8. Unfortunately, Bernard is a formidable opponent:
After tonight's episode, Tony is dead to me ... but I still want to know what his deal is.
Um, well, I can’t really tell you what’s ultimately behind his actions.
Still pissed at the government for Michelle's death, I presume?
I think he’s motivated by still being stuck in a place of anger and resentment. He still feels betrayed by the government.
So this has all been one big setup? The whole time he was just playing poor (now dead) Bill Buchanan?
Yeah, this has been his plan.
That's pretty evil. Did you know Tony would turn out this way when the producers told you they were bringing him back to life?
We knew it was going to go in this direction, yeah. How it was actually going to play out, you never know. It’s such a complex show to write. They’ll map out where they think a character is going to go and see if it actually plays with the story. But it was always in the back of our minds that this is where he was going. It was just a matter of how he was going to get there over the season.
Did that make sense to you? Jack Bauer’s wife was killed too and you don't see him taking it out on America with biochemical weapons.
It felt very organic, oddly enough. (Laughs) As an actor, you can’t judge your character. The only way I have to go about it is to put myself in the situation of the character and the circumstance of what he’s been through and play it. Is he a good guy or bad guy? That’s up to the audience. But for me? If I were to judge? It made perfect sense.
Tony almeida How so?
As the rest of the episodes play out, I found myself completely on Tony's side as far as what he believed he was doing. It’s very strange.
That sounds kind of scary.
(Laughs) It is a little scary, yeah. I can’t go into what goes on in the episodes to come but I remember when we were done shooting, and all of the producers had seen the final cut of the final episodes, one of them looked at me funny and asked, ‘Did you believe what was coming out of your mouth?’ And I said, ‘You know what? Absolutely, I believed it. It made sense to me.’
Is it safe to say there are other things Tony's pissed off about? Not to belittle Michelle’s death…
There is more to it than that. I just can’t spell it out.
I read in Entertainment Weekly that in the upcoming episodes “Tony finds time for some nookie.” Explain.
Well, I wouldn’t say he finds ‘time for nookie.’ I would say that there’s a character that is revealed who Tony's involved with. Not a familiar face, someone new.
What is his end game? Is he going to cross paths with the season's other sneaky villain, the president's daughter Olivia?
There’s no crossing paths with Olivia. It’s so frustrating, probably more so for you, as far as these interviews go. I can't say what else he's up to. Honestly, the other hard part about talking about this now is that we shot this season so long ago, it's hard to remember what exactly happens. I don’t watch the show either, so....
You don’t watch? Because of last season? You need to jump back in. It's so much better this year.
That’s good to hear. (Laughs) No, I’m not great at watching stuff I’m in. Also, I already know what happens -- even though I can’t remember what happens right now when you’re asking me about individual episodes. (Laughs) I know how it turns out and that sort of takes the fun out of it. I think the last season I watched was the second season and that sort of took me over the edge. I’m just not good at watching myself.
But you're aware that this is a major resurgence for the show.
I know that just by reading the scripts and by what we were doing on set. I definitely got the feeling that this was going to be one of the stronger years for the show, if not the best.
Why?
I think the story got more personal again. I always felt like '24' was best when it was rooted in the characters and not trying to outdo itself with big crises. It’s like the bombs were getting bigger and bigger and the crises were getting bigger. I think it’s better when it’s told on a smaller scale. The first season was like that and this season reminded me of that first season in the way it plays out.
Also, I just think we’re probably one of the few if not only show that was helped by the strike. What the writers do on this show is just crazy. On a regular year, they’re writing up against the gun and like a Rubik’s cube, everything has to fit together. The strike gave us a whole extra year to stop and go back and rewrite things that weren’t working, reshoot things we weren’t happy with. It just gave us the amount of time that the show should take.
It’s been quite a comeback so far.
Those of us who have been there from the beginning, this is our baby, we really care about it. We know what a big commitment it is to watch 24 episodes of a show and we really value the fans’ commitment. I wasn’t there for the sixth season, but I know people were a little disappointed with it, and I think everyone came back with a vengeance to bring the show back to the way it used to be. Back to as good as it should be.
Can I ask you if Chloe will be back?
Yeah, she’s coming back.
As an adversary for you, no doubt.
She’s obviously going to be … oh boy. (Laughs) She’ll come into play. She comes back, and she’s in the mix. Now I’m trying to remember why she comes back. Aren’t I a great interview?
That's enough of a spoiler to tide me over. Do you think, knowing how this season ends, Tony will be back for Season 8?
Well, that’s just a crazy question! Day 7 isn't over yet! But I say there’s room. He came back from the dead, so, sure, why not?
Keep into consideration that in 24, the lines between "hero" and "villain" are often blurred - nothing's black and white in this show. For example, Jack has proved that he is both the hero, and anti-hero of 24. Sure, Jack was instrumental in stopping various terrorist threats. But, didn't he kill Ryan Chappelle, who was begging for his life? Didn't he also shoot Christopher Henderson's wife in the leg, and threatened to harm her further, if Henderson didn't provide information? She was an innocent and wasn't guilty of anything. Didn't he also shoot, and kill Nina Meyers in cold blood?
When it comes to 24, the "greater good" always prevails - a philosophy that summarizes to: committing unjust actions, are sometimes necessary in order to produce a just outcome.
Sure, Tony killed Agent Moss, and it looks as if he was playing Jack and Buchanan from the beginning. But, there seems to be a deeper reason to Tony's motives. After the show concludes, he might not be the "villain" that you make him out to be.
Just to note, that I didn't contradict myself: I never called Tony a "bad guy" in any of my previous posts. It's just that, when he killed Larry, it caught me by extreme surprise
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Nina killed Jack's wife, sabotaged CTU, amongst numerous other treasonous acts, Jack didn't kill Nina in cold blood, he killed her in revenge for his wife. He killed Ryan Chappelle, ordered by the President mind you, because the terrorists were going to release nerve gas if he didn't. And Jack showed remorse on that one. Henderson's wife is a bit more of a gray area, but he had to threaten Henderson for information about the threat.
It's true that we don't know Tony's motivation, but there's not a lot to justify his actions at this point. In the interview posted above, it sure sounds like at the end, Tony spouts a lot of nonsense trying to justify his actions, the bit about the producers asking Carlos "Did you believe what you said?". I love Tony the Hero as much as the next guy, but blaming the gov't, and releasing a bioweapon on the United States, because the President went rogue and was part of a conspiracy that killed your wife, is flimsy at best.
Believe me, I didn't sympathize with Nina Meyers either - that evil ^^^^^ needed to die (and die she did!)
. But Jack shot her three time point blank, when she was down and unarmed. If that's not killing in cold blood, I don't know what is. Regardless of the fact that some of Jack's actions were questionable, everything that he has done thus far has worked out for the better (for the "greater good"). He has been right on everything so far. But, even so, that still doesn't make him an entirely "good" person, from a moral and philosophical standpoint.
And as for Tony, again, we don't know what his motives are. I don't believe that he's simply out for revenge, and he might turn out to be a "good" guy in the end. We'll just have to wait and see.
