Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. TV series! Beware Spoilers!

[Ayotli]

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This show just gets better and better! I really was excited for the show and I know that shows always start off slow...but now it is definitely feeling like a Marvel show!!! I wasn't overly surprised that Skye was the one that got hurt, it is possible they will use this to explain what she is. But I can not believe they are going to wait a whole MONTH to release the next episode!!!! WTH ABC???!!!

 

[jye4ever]

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My guess for Skye

Vision
Spider Woman
Doom
She Hulk



Doom I said.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Then they either needed someone else or reign him in more. The connections are what literally built the Marvel film universe. They needed SHIELD to appear in IM3 way more than they needed a Banner cameo in the post credits.

I get that the SHIELD/Avengers build up really hurt IM2 for some people, but the absolutely lack of it in IM3 hurt IM3 for me.

I think we'll discover that SHIELD was missing from IM3 and Dark World because of the **** going down in Winter Soldier. It'll probably also explain why Coulson is given so much leeway without them pressing down on him as hard as we saw them grilling Fury at the end of Avengers.

 

[Buttmunch]

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You have to remember that they are doing a connected timeline from movie to movie; IronMan 2, Inc Hulk, and Thor all happened simultaneously. Stark and Rhodey defeated Whiplash, within 48 hours Thor was fighting the Destroyer and a couple days after that Hulk and the Abomination were duking it out. Beofre they stated that I just thoiught crap was happening in a meandering manner as the movies came out.
Following that pattern if IM3 happened during the same week of the events we see in Cap's trailer, with what seems to be the proverbial **** hitting the fan internally, expecting SHIELDs presence is just...

I think we'll discover that SHIELD was missing from IM3 and Dark World because of the **** going down in Winter Soldier. It'll probably also explain why Coulson is given so much leeway without them pressing down on him as hard as we saw them grilling Fury at the end of Avengers.

Agents of SHIELD, if it is to be considered cannon, would dispute the idea of these events happening near simultaneously. There is clearly a decent amount of time of them following up the events of Thor 2 and Cap 2 (I'm assuming they will have some sort of tie in or maybe even a lead in to that). And IM3 clearly happened before the show even started because they're already talking about Extremis and how they are already dealing with its aftermath. So to me, Agents of SHIELD has only further exacerbated the problem of SHIELD's absence in IM3.

The timeline as I see it:

IM3
Couple Episodes of AoS
Thor2
Tie in AoS episode of Thor 2
Couple more Episodes of AoS
Cap2
Possibly some more AoS episodes (I don't know when their season ends. Before or after Cap 2?)

And clearly each of the episodes of AoS take place over a day or two generally and certainly seem to take place at minimum of a few days apart. So the events of IM3 to Thor 2 to Cap 2 are all weeks, if not months apart from each other - much like they are being released.

Not to mention All Hail the King

Spoiler

Seems to indicate that the interviewer has been visiting Trevor for several weeks or months as well.

If the events of IM3 and Cap2 are at the same time, I suppose I'll just have to accept Marvel F'd up on the continuity here established by a TV show rather than just the movies, but I would have expected more from them on that front. If they want AoS to be part of the film universe, they needed it to line up better.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Agents of SHIELD, if it is to be considered cannon, would dispute the idea of these events happening near simultaneously. There is clearly a decent amount of time of them following up the events of Thor 2 and Cap 2 (I'm assuming they will have some sort of tie in or maybe even a lead in to that). And IM3 clearly happened before the show even started because they're already talking about Extremis and how they are already dealing with its aftermath. So to me, Agents of SHIELD has only further exacerbated the problem of SHIELD's absence in IM3.

The timeline as I see it:

IM3
Couple Episodes of AoS
Thor2
Tie in AoS episode of Thor 2
Couple more Episodes of AoS
Cap2
Possibly some more AoS episodes (I don't know when their season ends. Before or after Cap 2?)

And clearly each of the episodes of AoS take place over a day or two generally and certainly seem to take place at minimum of a few days apart. So the events of IM3 to Thor 2 to Cap 2 are all weeks, if not months apart from each other - much like they are being released.

Not to mention All Hail the King

Spoiler

Seems to indicate that the interviewer has been visiting Trevor for several weeks or months as well.

If the events of IM3 and Cap2 are at the same time, I suppose I'll just have to accept Marvel F'd up on the continuity here established by a TV show rather than just the movies, but I would have expected more from them on that front. If they want AoS to be part of the film universe, they needed it to line up better.

Not following you there. If there's turmoil in SHIELD among the higher-ups following Avengers, again, it would explain them missing from IM3 and Dark World. DW had a tie into the show... a very thin thread at that, but it's still consistent and with Winter Soldier tying in as well, that keeps up the continuity. Look at the IRS. There's a HUGE scandal going on right now. Does that affect the day-to-day grunts? No. It won't even effect the upcoming tax season. That's what I see Coulson's team as. They go about the day-to-day **** while Fury fights the big battles.

Remember, Coulson was essentially a tag-along. We meet him in Iron Man as a nobody from a small team. In IM2, he's babysitting Stark before he's sent off to cordon off the landing of Miljoner mid IM2 and all of Thor. Then we see him again in a support role in Avengers. All relatively minor stuff. It'd make sense too, that Fury wouldn't want him around any of the Avengers (since they think he's dead), thus sending him off with his own little team to do clean-up stuff and odd "stay busy" missions.

 

[Buttmunch]

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No, I get that. Coulson and his team are off the books basically. What is effecting SHIELD doesn't necessarily effect them.

But their team (ie the show) has established IM 3 took place a little bit before AoS started. They had some missions, then they dealt with the aftermath of Thor 2. Now they are having a few more missions, and they'll likely have some Cap 2 tie in or at least mention the events of that film take place. What I'm trying to say is that AoS is clearly showing the events of IM3, Thor2, and Cap2 are at least weeks, if not months apart. They aren't simultaneous. So my gripes about SHIELD not being in IM3 in some capacity (be that a small team like Coulson's or Fury himself) still stands.

But I'm certainly willing to accept that Cap 2 might clearly indicate its happening at the same time as IM3. It would only be AoS saying otherwise. So its not really Marvel Studio's fault if that's the case since their FILMS would all mesh without contradicting each other. Its just too bad they weren't keeping a closer eye on what the TV show as it seems to be indicating differently as far the timeline of events is concerned. I would have just hoped that with Whedon starting off the show that he'd be a little more in the loop and able to keep the timeline straight for them

 

[thenammagazine]

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But how is AoS suggesting the timelines are any different than what they've shown? The show starts with them still cleaning up the mess from Avengers. Given the events in IM3 and Tony building all those suits, we know it's some time after Avengers (maybe even a year aka "real time"). There's nary a mention of the events in IM3 and we don't see shield in IM3 or Dark World either (which I suspect we'll find out why in Winter Soldier - not that it takes place at the same time as IM3, but explains what SHIELD has been dealing with since Avengers). We see the tie-in with Dark World and the upcoming Winter Soldier in which the timeline's fairly consistent. Where you might be getting confused is, I don't think any of the movies were "back-to-back."

There were probably weeks between IM and TIH. We know there's some time between TIH and IM2. Given IM2 ends with Coulson arriving at the Miljoner landing site and Thor takes place after their AO is long established (weeks maybe even months later). Then we have the jump backwards 80 years to TFA and when we hit Avengers, it seems like that takes place WELL after IM2 and Thor given how everybody's established. Stark built a bigassed tower in Manhattan. Who knows how long that took. It sure wasn't just a couple of weeks.

 

[Buttmunch]

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I get that there is some time gaps between films. They aren't all EXACTLY at the same time or back to back. We haven't had any bits yet like showing Stark's mansion being blown up on TV while Cap and Fury are having Helicarriers fall out of the sky.

I'm just hung up on the fact AoS seems to be taking place over several months (or close to our real time). Extremis that was established in IM3 is the source of the Centipede experiments. So IM3 clearly happened already. Then Thor 2's aftermath happens several episodes in, and what I assume is a few months. And we still haven't gotten a Cap 2 tie in, so I'd have to imagine a few more months have gone by when Cap 2 happens. So unless they open up Cap 2 with them explaining SHIELD has been absolutely swamped since Avengers, I can't imagine they didn't have few spare agents around to try and protect the President of the United States against a media savvy terrorist.

I'm probably looking waaay to closely into this, but that absolute lack of SHIELD in IM3 has always bugged me. We barely got any lines about the Avengers unless it was a lead in to one of Tony's panic attacks. When SHIELD is all over place in IM/IM2 when nothing but a rich guy is threatened, I would think they'd be on top alert and displaying a big presence when the President is getting direct threats. I get they were responding to the negative feedback they got with IM 2 being too SHIELD heavy, and I can respect that. But I still feel there should have been some SHIELD included given the threat in film.

So I'm hoping Cap2 gives us a reason, no matter how lame, why SHIELD wasn't present in IM3.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand breeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeathe.

 

[Buttmunch]

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Yep, definitely looking too much into then.

At least I'm not obsessing over Stan Lee cameos. How could he be in Cap1 in the 40's and then back in the present without aging a day?!?!

 

[Niltusk]

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I'm talking about the movies and their official timelines, I do think you are going to make yourself go crosseyed trying to relate their timeline with AoS.
If they can make a credible timeline that includes the crap going on with this show, I'll... well I don't know what I'll do, but I'd be hella surprised.

 

[JonWes]

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I'll just say I'm glad some of you aren't writing the movies! Marvel quite wisely steered IM3 and Thor away from too much SHIELD shenanigans. It's the Marvel Universe, not the SHIELD universe. It was fun to set up Avengers, but heroes have to have their alone time, too. It makes sense for Cap (who currently has no life outside of shield in the present day) to be more heavily connected though, and I think we'll get all the SHIELD we want, there. Not to mention week to week in this show.

 

[Niltusk]

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I'll just say I'm glad some of you aren't writing the movies! Marvel quite wisely steered IM3 and Thor away from too much SHIELD shenanigans. It's the Marvel Universe, not the SHIELD universe. It was fun to set up Avengers, but heroes have to have their alone time, too. It makes sense for Cap (who currently has no life outside of shield in the present day) to be more heavily connected though, and I think we'll get all the SHIELD we want, there. Not to mention week to week in this show.

Which is why I think they have all the movies in the phases happening simultaneously, that also explains why X hero didn't come save Y hero.

 

[JonWes]

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I'm actually with Buttmunch on that point. I honestly don't think they happen at the same time, and AoS really does debunk that thoroughly, or will seem to, as it interacts with the movies at different times. I don't think you can throw that connection out as that's part of the point of doing AoS! It's set in the MCU! The movies don't even need to take place at the same time. That seems needlessly fiddly. In Thor 2, there was nothing SHIELD could really do to help Thor with what was happening on Earth at the movies end. You can imagine they were scrambling around on the sidelines just off-screen, but there's no real reason they needed to be there. And with IM3, Tony brushed off involving the Avengers (and by extension SHIELD) because... well, he's Tony Stark and he wanted to deal with it himself.

 

[Buttmunch]

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But while he wanted to deal with things himself, I can't imagine SHIELD would just sit back and let him babysit the President. That's my biggest gripe. I would think a government organization whose purpose is to protect people from the less-normal threats happening in the world would be at least somewhat involved when the President is in danger. Nah, lets let a rouge billionaire and one Air Force colonel take care of that

I get that SHIELD doesn't have to be in EVERYTHING, but in the case of IM3, the situation really called for them to be involved IMO. They are the glue to this franchise. They brought everyone together - so yeah, they are going to be a constant presence in these films.

I do agree though, that now that they've had the Avengers come together, they do really need to give reasons why Cap isn't backing up IM in a situation like what happened in IM3. Just because you paint War Machine up like Cap means he can substitute for him. I think that's going to be the biggest hurdle of the solo films now. Once you've thrown them together, people are going to expect to see them now. If its a spur of the moment thing and IM is the closest hero around, I get that. But if its a slowly building threat like the Mandarin was, I would expect more people to show up. Thor2 was a great example of a situation where the other Avengers couldn't help him. They couldn't get off world for one, and when they went back to London, everything would have been over by the time anyone could get there - which is exactly the approach AoS went.

 

[youbastards]

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They seem to be handling the tv and movies just like the way comics have been handled for years. Thor may be an Avenger and have adventures with them while headlining his own book with stories that aren't directly tied to whatever is happening in the Avengers book. Just because these characters are linked to each other doesn't mean someone (SHIELD. Iron Man, Cap, etc) are going to show up to bail them out of whatever trouble they get into in their solo book, that is also what will make the occassional cross-over more exciting, right? If Hulk just shows up to save the day anytime one of the Avengers is in trouble, what fun would that be?

Think of the Avengers films as the epic miniseries event (Civil War, Infinity Gauntlet, Secret Wars) that pulls them all together for a brief moment to handle a crisis at a larger scale.

As for SHIELD not being in IM3, Avengers showed that Tony didn't fully trust them (remember the conversation with Tony, Banner, Cap when Tony hacked the helicarrier), so it can reason that Tony would be able to stay ahead of SHIELD's ability to keep tabs on him once he went missing in Tennesee. I will say, if there was ever a time for SHIELD to show in IM3, it was after Happy was hurt in the explosion. Someone at SHIELD would know that Stark was involved at a personal level at that point.

 

[thenammagazine]

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Yep, definitely looking too much into then.

At least I'm not obsessing over Stan Lee cameos. How could he be in Cap1 in the 40's and then back in the present without aging a day?!?!

Stan Lee is The Watcher.

 

[screamingmetal]

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They seem to be handling the tv and movies just like the way comics have been handled for years. Thor may be an Avenger and have adventures with them while headlining his own book with stories that aren't directly tied to whatever is happening in the Avengers book. Just because these characters are linked to each other doesn't mean someone (SHIELD. Iron Man, Cap, etc) are going to show up to bail them out of whatever trouble they get into in their solo book, that is also what will make the occassional cross-over more exciting, right? If Hulk just shows up to save the day anytime one of the Avengers is in trouble, what fun would that be?

Think of the Avengers films as the epic miniseries event (Civil War, Infinity Gauntlet, Secret Wars) that pulls them all together for a brief moment to handle a crisis at a larger scale.

As for SHIELD not being in IM3, Avengers showed that Tony didn't fully trust them (remember the conversation with Tony, Banner, Cap when Tony hacked the helicarrier), so it can reason that Tony would be able to stay ahead of SHIELD's ability to keep tabs on him once he went missing in Tennesee. I will say, if there was ever a time for SHIELD to show in IM3, it was after Happy was hurt in the explosion. Someone at SHIELD would know that Stark was involved at a personal level at that point.

I agree, Stark is far too independent to want Shield involved during IM3. And just exactly when should Shield force their involvement?
After Happy got hurt? Yes, and they probably were involved just off camera.
After Stark confronted the Mandarin and gave out his address? Yes but then things happened fast, Stark was attacked and was thought to be dead. Maybe some presence before and after was necessary.
When the President was attacked on AF1? Yes and likely some of the guys that died on the plane were Shield agents, how would we know?
After the President's plane went down? Yes but then Stark and Rhodey immediately went after the President, Shield was two steps behind and not in the know.
Once the battle took place between Extremis and the IM armors? Yes and the most likely point in the film they would get involved. So I guess maybe they're slow to respond.
As for protecting the President when the Mandarin was making threats, The Secret Service still exists and would've done this not Shield. If anything, Shield would've been present but since they wear nondescript business suits you'd might think they were SS guys anyways.
I personally don't have any problem with Shield's absence in IM3. I have more of an issue with the depiction of the Mandarin.

 

[Buttmunch]

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Then you'll like the one shot included on the Thor2 Blu Ray.

 

[a-dev]

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If you chaps are having problems with the Marvel continuity what must y'all think of the X-men movies. Those are chock full of inconsistencies.