Aliens,Predator and Terminator Q&A (Anything!)

[Darth_Pain]

Why do people analise every little flaw in Sci-fi movies. When we all know they are fiction and just movies?

 

[nicky]

Why do people analise every little flaw in Sci-fi movies. When we all know they are fiction and just movies?

Cos we want to believe it plausible to further our enjoyment of the movie.

 

[a-dev]

sorry dude, but gotta disagree with u.

arnie's "i need a vacation" line may have been an obvious ad lib by the star. but i think it fit in with his character's growth as a "learning computer". he was picking up more human personality traits as time passed. he was never going to end up all emo, but he was certainly beginning to comprehend the complexities of human character and feelings. saying "i need a vacation" was probably the t800's way of simulating and expressing exasperation at his beat-up state, as well as attempting to convey humour.

the irony is that the more human he got inside, the more inhuman he looked on the outside.

and asking "why people cry" makes perfect sense if he is indeed learning abt human behavior. think abt it---crying or laughing is actually a very peculiar human trait. even among the higher animal species on earth, tears and laughter are very rare. and that is cameron's ULTIMATE point in t2---that if even a machine, a terminator, can learn the value of human life, then maybe we can too. and knowing the value of human life comes thru understanding what it's like and what it MEANS to be human in the first place.

i didn't think it spoiled the t800 character at all. because technology in itself is amoral, neither good nor evil. it's what u use it for that makes the difference. just so happens, cameron was taking a somewhat pacifist stance in t2, to demonstrate the "good" use of technology to effect good.

so i love t2 for that level of depth and meaning.

Yep, this expresses very well what I was getting at earlier in defence of T2. Nice one.

 

[tylerdurden]

Yep, this expresses very well what I was getting at earlier in defence of T2. Nice one.

thanks, mate. in the words of john connor in t2: "we gotta stick together!"

 

[A.L.I.E.N]

thanks, mate. in the words of john connor in t2: "we gotta stick together!"

in the words of kyle reese ts: "we gotta stick together!"

 

[Garo Predator]

So I gota question for Transformers but idk if it goes in this forum.... Can I still ask it?

 

[uscmhicks]

So I gota question for Transformers but idk if it goes in this forum.... Can I still ask it?

try this thread.

https://sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40637

 

[A.L.I.E.N]

So I gota question for Transformers but idk if it goes in this forum.... Can I still ask it?

Hicks is probably right but fire away you never know! I like The decepticons in Transformers 1, I would on buy into Starscream as he played true to the T.V series as a manipulative back stabber. I liked how he flew away at the end of the film! Very sneaky

 

[sscalltheway]

I have a question about Predator statues. I have been wanting to get a statue lately but it seems the only way you can buy one for reasonable money is one that is unassembled and unpainted. When you assemble the statue do you have to use glue to get it together? And when you paint it do they tell you what colors to buy and where too put them?

I'm also curious about this.

 

[uscmhicks]

I have a question about Predator statues. I have been wanting to get a statue lately but it seems the only way you can buy one for reasonable money is one that is unassembled and unpainted. When you assemble the statue do you have to use glue to get it together? And when you paint it do they tell you what colors to buy and where too put them?

No , they don't tell you where to paint and what to paint with. The people who buy kits usually know how to paint or hire artists to paint them for them.
As you probably already know you can order some fantastic kits here..

https://www.predatorstuff.com/

and I know Joe Dunaway does some fantastic kit painting and building...

https://www.modelzone.com/


I think some artists here paint and build kits too.
Its quite a long process and I wouldn't reccomend buying an expensive kit as a starter , if you would like to learn you should search ebay for some cheaper kits to practice on.
I'm sure theres some helpful threads here in the model kits section too.

https://thehunterslair.com/

 

[CSM1976]

The core problem I guess is that we were seeing a Terminator who was doing more infiltrating and learning from humans than he was killing. John ordered him not to kill anyone in T2 so I can forgive the fact that they didn't show him being brutal in that film. Though perhaps whoever said it earlier was right, he should have been seen killing people in the bar when he first arrived. He was met with no less resistance in that scene than the terminator in T1 from Bill paxton etc. So theres really no reason why he wouldn't have killed anyone there.

Could this be that we are assuming that in T1 he killed the punks? I only saw him shove two punks and fist impale the third. To me it's no different than him throwing around the bikers and putting the knife in the back of the one on the pool table.

The real reason he doesnt kill anyone is that James Cameron is a firm believer that the hero even if he is a colld blooded killer at first and has to learn to not just kill, cant be seen in that light. The idea is that "you cant just go around killing people"

As fans, we all would have loved to see him be just like in T1 and then learn not to kill. I loved when he was just going to shoot the one jock ****** bag. He was so cold there. Just the way he should be.

 

[SilentSurfer]

I have a question about Predator statues. I have been wanting to get a statue lately but it seems the only way you can buy one for reasonable money is one that is unassembled and unpainted. When you assemble the statue do you have to use glue to get it together? And when you paint it do they tell you what colors to buy and where too put them?

This has already been answered, but as one who started with model kits since '92, let me tell you, it's expensive and it's a pain in the ass to get good at. Model kits, original casts, often run as much or more than Hot Toys figures, but you have to do all the damn work. You have to hide seems, erase mold lines, fill bubbles, perfect details, then paint it. It it will only look as good after all that as you are at painting. Yes, having somebody like me paint it up is an option, but if you haven't even started on the hobby, let me tell you right now: don't even start, unless you are really passionate about it. Model are always fragile too, and once built no longer have a good box to go safely into if you move, ship, or store it.

That said, I wouldn't be able to do what I do unless I had spent years doing kits. Great customizing experience.

 

[SilentSurfer]

But in T2 the T-800 is stabbed, hit with a pool cue and has a cigar put out on him. That's helluva lot more than what the punks did in T1. The same T1 T-800 would have killed the bar patrons. Maybe the T2 T-800 didn't kill the bar patrons cos he was in a public place and didnt want too much attention from killing - it was ok to kill the punks cos it was a dark steet corner with no witnesses.

BRAVO! Now that is the perfect answer. Having killed everyone would have brought the cops down on him right away, whereas fighting in a biker bar is practically expected, and no biker is wussy enough to call the cops over that. That's why the owner came after Arnold with a shotgun instead of a phone with 911 dialed in.

Yes, it was a Cameron good guy thing, but way to go, Nicky, with the movie universe plausible answer, especially when later in the movie Arnold was going to blow some guys head off just for calling John a dumb^^^^.

 

[Luis138]

Ok, another predator/aliens question. Can somebody kindly tell me how many predators and how many aliens has Hot Toys released? And what is the difference between them.

Thank you,

Luis

 

[sscalltheway]

No , they don't tell you where to paint and what to paint with. The people who buy kits usually know how to paint or hire artists to paint them for them.
As you probably already know you can order some fantastic kits here..

https://www.predatorstuff.com/

and I know Joe Dunaway does some fantastic kit painting and building...

https://www.modelzone.com/


I think some artists here paint and build kits too.
Its quite a long process and I wouldn't reccomend buying an expensive kit as a starter , if you would like to learn you should search ebay for some cheaper kits to practice on.
I'm sure theres some helpful threads here in the model kits section too.

https://thehunterslair.com/

This has already been answered, but as one who started with model kits since '92, let me tell you, it's expensive and it's a pain in the ass to get good at. Model kits, original casts, often run as much or more than Hot Toys figures, but you have to do all the damn work. You have to hide seems, erase mold lines, fill bubbles, perfect details, then paint it. It it will only look as good after all that as you are at painting. Yes, having somebody like me paint it up is an option, but if you haven't even started on the hobby, let me tell you right now: don't even start, unless you are really passionate about it. Model are always fragile too, and once built no longer have a good box to go safely into if you move, ship, or store it.

That said, I wouldn't be able to do what I do unless I had spent years doing kits. Great customizing experience.

Thanks guys, I guess I won't be doing any of these anytime soon.

 

[SilentSurfer]

sorry dude, but gotta disagree with u.

...saying "i need a vacation" was probably the t800's way of simulating and expressing exasperation at his beat-up state...

Never forget, no matter what it learns, it's a machine. It would never get exasperated. The T1 Terminator didn't get worked up over having been blown in half. The T3 Terminator didn't seem upset when he got off the crashed copter with half his flesh burned away. There is no realistic answer for that stupid line except to make the audience laugh after such intense drama. It was a screenwriting technique. But it sucked.

the irony is that the more human he got inside, the more inhuman he looked on the outside.

Deep I like that. Very true, but...

...asking "why people cry" makes perfect sense if he is indeed learning abt human behavior... and that is cameron's ULTIMATE point in t2---that if even a machine, a terminator, can learn the value of human life, then maybe we can too...

This is a case of preference, and I agree to disagree. To me, that was just a dumb public service announcement like a lot of the PC BS that started in the '90's. Why would a machine need to know the value of life? It didn't mean its mission would be any more important to it. It would 'die' to protect John, no matter what anyway because it was a selfless machine. Humanizing the Terminator didn't work for me at all. Skynet never learned it. Quite the opposite. And the Terminator could not have any more capacity than the thing that made, the AI it came from.

The way I see it from a story point of view is that it gave reason to the T-800 determining that it must also be destroyed (to protect the future of humanity). Even that came off lame though.

"I cannot self Terminate, but I can willingly hand you the controls that will lower the chain I can willingly step out onto, knowing that by doing so I will soon be terminated by the molten metal I can clearly see. This is the plan I have come up with to voluntarily participate in an act I am not programmed to achieve."

Why didn't they just push him in? Oh, yeah, cause Cameron wanted us to love the Terminator for its heart. LAME!

i didn't think it spoiled the t800 character at all. because technology in itself is amoral, neither good nor evil. it's what u use it for that makes the difference. just so happens, cameron was taking a somewhat pacifist stance in t2, to demonstrate the "good" use of technology to effect good.

But ultimately it's an amoral machine, like you said. The T3 Terminator had the same mission, and (situational comedy aside) it remained a machine. I liked the Terminator in 3 way more than in 2 because It was still believable as a killing machine restrained by its mission perameters. It wasn't 'Uncle Bob'. Perhaps its chip was set to read only, but the only purpose to learning to be more human would be to become a better infiltrator. That is all the Terminator is designed to be. It can be programmed to protect a target, but to actually give a ^^^^ about it should be

",something I can never do."

 

[SilentSurfer]

Ok, another predator/aliens question. Can somebody kindly tell me how many predators and how many aliens has Hot Toys released? And what is the difference between them.

Thank you,

Luis

Just go to their site hottoys.com.hk for a full list of their figures old and new with pics and all. There is now quite a lot.

 

[A.L.I.E.N]

Ok, another predator/aliens question. Can somebody kindly tell me how many predators and how many aliens has Hot Toys released? And what is the difference between them.

Thank you,

Luis

In the wise words of Ripley: "Hicks! Hicks over here, help us!"

uscmhicks! We need your assistance

 

[SilentSurfer]

Here's a question: Why do the T-800 and T-1000 shoot each other all through T2 when it clearly does nothing to stop either, AND, they both know it won't before they even start?

Give me a good answer, Nicky. I'm counting on you.

 

[a-dev]

But whose to say it did care about John beyond its mission. Just because it learnt about human emotion doesn't mean it actually felt any. I've always taken the line ''I know now why you cry, but its something I can never do'' as to mean "I get why you're upset for what thats worth, but I don't feel it myself - I can't''

And Sarah's line about a machine learning the value of human life could just be sentimental on her part. She doesn't know if the terminator actually felt any emotion about it.