Aliens,Predator and Terminator Q&A (Anything!)

[CSM1976]

Hmm. I guess because what else are they going to do. They're just using what they have. The T-800 happened to acquire a more powerful gun which at least had some effect on the T-1000 - it slowed him down a bit. The alternative is to keep engaging him in hand to hand combat and the T-800 would risk coming off the worse each time leaving the T-1000 free to go after John. Not sure why the T-1000 bothered firing that pistol though.

I think that the 800 isnt sure what or how to kill the T-1000. I believe there is even a scene where the 800 says something to that effect.

I also think that the T-1000 in most cases is just shooting the 800 because the 800 is in the way of John Connor.

 

[a-dev]

Here's a thought. Hypothetically, what if things didn't happen in the order we thought? What if Skynet had sent its best infiltrator to '94 first to kill young John before the war, believing it was a sinch win, but the resistance repogrammed the second best, but toughest Terminator, the 800, to go after it. The result was an alternate timeline, but still John exists. So Skynet decides to go after his mother before he is born. It sends another Arnold to '84, so that when the one shows up in '94, it may not be trusted so much. That doesn't work either, so Skynet gives up on taking out John, and instead goes after his lieutenants instead (and John if it's lucky), and sends an anti-Terminator in case another Terminator is sent to defend.

I like that idea.

So do I! I'd never thought about that before. Though in our reality a movie sequel, in-universe T2 was actually Skynet's first attempt at changing the past. The events of T1 representing their second attempt and obviously sarah connor of 1984 would have been completely unaware of any of it. Likewise T2 Sarah connor would be none the wiser if my thinking is right. Intriguing.

 

[A.L.I.E.N]

So do I! I'd never thought about that before. Though in our reality a movie sequel, in-universe T2 was actually Skynet's first attempt at changing the past. The events of T1 representing their second attempt and obviously sarah connor of 1984 would have been completely unaware of any of it. Likewise T2 Sarah connor would be none the wiser if my thinking is right. Intriguing.

Never thought about it but that makes alot of sense!!!!

 

[Faken]

Last one for now...

PREDATOR 2:

Why was that Pred the only one going out and hitting the town? Why werent the other Lost Hunters going out to party too? Were they just the boring old ones who would rather stay indoors than see the sights?

They were there to hit the after-hours clubs

 

[Blackhole]

This is more of a request than a question, but does anyone have any pics of the chain thing the T1 terminator has around it's left boot?

 

[SilentSurfer]

I think that the 800 isnt sure what or how to kill the T-1000. I believe there is even a scene where the 800 says something to that effect.

I also think that the T-1000 in most cases is just shooting the 800 because the 800 is in the way of John Connor.

I think you mean when John asks if the 800 can kill it, and Arnold says something like, "unlikely," and then says it's more advanced.

So do I! I'd never thought about that before. Though in our reality a movie sequel, in-universe T2 was actually Skynet's first attempt at changing the past. The events of T1 representing their second attempt and obviously sarah connor of 1984 would have been completely unaware of any of it. Likewise T2 Sarah connor would be none the wiser if my thinking is right. Intriguing.

And the events of '84 clearly helped her survive the first attempt in '94. Carzy time logic. Insane.

 

[Mikey2Bullets]

I think you mean when John asks if the 800 can kill it, and Arnold says something like, "unlikely," and then says it's more advanced.



And the events of '84 clearly helped her survive the first attempt in '94. Carzy time logic. Insane.

there's a scene of the three of them post hospital escape that didn't make any of the versions where sara grills the 800 about it's history and the 1000. arnie states it's highly improbable he can destroy it. it's in one of the trailers on the new blu.

i think the time equip was never destroyed. or if it was, there was another set up somewhere else. all the comics and novels point to the time complex to be at cheyenne mountain. even if they took it out, skynet is a global network not a central core and could build/house another somewhere else.

time travel is always screwy. i think it's a paradox loop that's literally been separated from the flow of time, kinda like a whirlpool current that flows independent of the stream that contains it. i read that in a physics book that uses a lot of pop culture references.

 

[tylerdurden]

Never forget, no matter what it learns, it's a machine. It would never get exasperated. The T1 Terminator didn't get worked up over having been blown in half. The T3 Terminator didn't seem upset when he got off the crashed copter with half his flesh burned away. There is no realistic answer for that stupid line except to make the audience laugh after such intense drama. It was a screenwriting technique. But it sucked.

that's why i earlier said SIMULATED exasperation. he was expressing a trait that by then he understood to be the appropriate human response. but he didn't actually feel it. the t1 and t3 terminators did not have the same lessons on human behavior. so they would've react that way. well, maybe the t850 had extra modules on human behavior/psychology n such, but the whole character was handled as comic relief and to me it can't really be taken as a comparison anyway.

This is a case of preference, and I agree to disagree. To me, that was just a dumb public service announcement like a lot of the PC BS that started in the '90's. Why would a machine need to know the value of life? It didn't mean its mission would be any more important to it. It would 'die' to protect John, no matter what anyway because it was a selfless machine. Humanizing the Terminator didn't work for me at all. Skynet never learned it. Quite the opposite. And the Terminator could not have any more capacity than the thing that made, the AI it came from.

"I cannot self Terminate, but I can willingly hand you the controls that will lower the chain I can willingly step out onto, knowing that by doing so I will soon be terminated by the molten metal I can clearly see. This is the plan I have come up with to voluntarily participate in an act I am not programmed to achieve."

Why didn't they just push him in? Oh, yeah, cause Cameron wanted us to love the Terminator for its heart. LAME! ."

again, this boils down to the t800 having learnt and progressed beyond his basic programming. in the extended dvd edition, his cpu was originally set to "read only" cos skynet didn't want its field units doing too much free-thinking on their own. it was only after john switched it to "write" mode that he was able to learn. as far as i'm concerned, that's canon. so that's why he could "defy" his original programming, to the extent of sacrificing himself. which is the ultimate gesture of human compassion.

OR... maybe when the future john connor captured and reprogrammed him, he simply added a final protocol to be followed after his mission was a success: allow self-termination. the key word being "allow".

just my 2 cents'.

But ultimately it's an amoral machine, like you said. The T3 Terminator had the same mission, and (situational comedy aside) it remained a machine. I liked the Terminator in 3 way more than in 2 because It was still believable as a killing machine restrained by its mission perameters. It wasn't 'Uncle Bob'. Perhaps its chip was set to read only, but the only purpose to learning to be more human would be to become a better infiltrator. That is all the Terminator is designed to be. It can be programmed to protect a target, but to actually give a ^^^^ about it should be

",something I can never do."

But whose to say it did care about John beyond its mission. Just because it learnt about human emotion doesn't mean it actually felt any. I've always taken the line ''I know now why you cry, but its something I can never do'' as to mean "I get why you're upset for what thats worth, but I don't feel it myself - I can't''

And Sarah's line about a machine learning the value of human life could just be sentimental on her part. She doesn't know if the terminator actually felt any emotion about it.

i think a-dev explained this perfectly for me. spot on, mate.

but just to add a wee bit to it... yes, it's amoral. but like i said before, if u assign a good use for technology, it "becomes" good. the meaning is what WE attach to it. at the end, the terminator understood emotion, but to him it would remain nothing more than a conceptual and intellectual understanding. in that sense, he is kinda like data from star trek. data struggles to understand humour and love. he can grasp the concept and its applications, and he can certainly demonstrate them for the benefit of others, but he can never truly experience it himself. (at least not til the borg queen gave him real flesh in "first contact").

 

[SilentSurfer]

All right, I can see the whole Data principle going on in T2, but Data was not a Terminator. They are designed to function differently. A hammer is meant to hit a nail. A saw is meant to cut wood. A Terminator is meant to kill man, not study man except to kill him all the better. And it's my opinion that it takes a lot of the scary out of the machine if it can understand humanity and even portray it, albeit artificially. A machine should feel cold no matter what it knows.

Think of it this way. Can you imagine the Terminator from the first movie ever saying, "I need a vacation," no matter how long it had been learning from humans?

Some like it. I hated that aspect of T2. Nuff sed. Letz muv on!

 

[tylerdurden]

All right, I can see the whole Data principle going on in T2, but Data was not a Terminator. They are designed to function differently. A hammer is meant to hit a nail. A saw is meant to cut wood. A Terminator is meant to kill man, not study man except to kill him all the better. And it's my opinion that it takes a lot of the scary out of the machine if it can understand humanity and even portray it, albeit artificially. A machine should feel cold no matter what it knows.
Think of it this way. Can you imagine the Terminator from the first movie ever saying, "I need a vacation," no matter how long it had been learning from humans?

Some like it. I hated that aspect of T2. Nuff sed. Letz muv on!

ok, i understand your point.

to paraphrase the t800: "i know now why you hate t2, but it is something i can never do..."

 

[a-dev]

Well that made for a very interesting debate it has to be said. Good points on both sides.

 

[A.L.I.E.N]

One here for my own thread

Alien Question, This is about the only thing I don't know actually! But thats big headed off me!

Does the Queen Alien chestburster really have legs?

 

[Kaijuboy]

One here for my own thread

Alien Question, This is about the only thing I don't know actually! But thats big headed off me!

Does the Queen Alien chestburster really have legs?

Yes & No.

Conceptually, both the official Poster & maquette made for said poster featured little baby legs (as did the conceptual art). On screen, they are never seen (and 100% likely never made on the prop), BUT it was never allowed to fully exit from Ripley.

 

[CelticPredator]

The Queen Chestburster can look however the director wants it to.

 

[Computron34]

Predator

I think that's it so far.

There's also the Pred-Alien from AvP:R I believe.

 

[SilentSurfer]

ok, i understand your point.

to paraphrase the t800: "i know now why you hate t2, but it is something i can never do..."

Very well said, my friend. I salute you.

One here for my own thread

Alien Question, This is about the only thing I don't know actually! But thats big headed off me!

Does the Queen Alien chestburster really have legs?

The poster and the maquette are of the fetus as I understood the old model kits, but the full queen burster kit by Halcyon (in the '90's) does have four arms and two legs. It was made after some of the earlier conceptual stuff, although its head area, which was seen in the movie, looked the same.

But as mentioned, the full body was never shown in A3, so it will look however the next director wants it to. I do believe you see one or two of its arms in the suicide dive scene though.

 

[Devil_666]

There's also the Pred-Alien from AvP:R I believe.

Crap.. I had a feeling I missed that.


PART 4



AVP:R - Predalien

AVP:R - Predalien (Battle Damaged)

Found these from ezhobi.net. I guess this wasn't totally unexpected but to package it with the DVD? I believe it will only be released in Japan for now. "Only 3000 sets in space"....guess it isn't that limited.

Ok.. that should be it.

REFERENCE:

Hot Toys Predator/Alien Figures Part 1

Hot Toys Predator/Alien Figures Part 2

Hot Toys Predator/Alien Figures Part 3

 

[Computron34]

Ok.. that should be it.

Except for..............






No i think your right. awesome stuff man.

 

[Devil_666]

Except for..............






No i think your right. awesome stuff man.

I was like "WHAAAA" and then saw the rest of your post!!!

 

[SpawnFan]

I disagree somewhat. T2 focused way too much on John. The franchise is called "Terminator". It should be about the Terminators and what they do. Instead, it became about John and how he only survives because of Terminators??? WTF happened here? I think Cameron ^^^^ed it up himself. T3 and TS are what we are left with after Cameron wiped his ass with his own concept.

Thi is off course total bs as you are just making this up. The first movie was about John Connor just as much as the other 3 were, and that was always the intention. Why would Cameron make John Connor such a pivotal character in the first movie if he had no meaning whatsoever and it was just about the evolution of killing machines called Terminators?