Aliens,Predator and Terminator Q&A (Anything!)

[Faken]

Btw I am just rewatching it now... there's actually no blood on the neck, the first shot basically puts blood all over his shoulder area on on his ear... it's so hard to tell, it just looks like he got a cherry pie thrown at him LOL! Oh and in terms of sounds, both the first shot and second shot both make that whip crack-like sound the cannon makes when it fires and the slight electrical noise right after.

 

[Devil_666]

Negative sir... what hits him is a plasma cannon shot that they didn't add the blue haze effect to in post production. It's fired at him to turn him around and the next one goes clean through his chest. Close ups from DVD show the shape of both "blobs" are the exact same shape, just one has the blue haze and the other doesn't.

Negative again, sir.

The original concept for the Predator was a shape-shifting monster who carried a spear gun. This concept was found too difficult to film, so it was scrapped. However, a good bit of the footage was filmed with this concept in mind, and was kept even after the creature design was changed into the version seen in the movie. The shot of Blaine being hit in the shoulder was a leftover shot and shows the original weapon being used...if you watch the DVD and slow it down, you can clearly see the blade-like weapon slicing through the top of his shoulder.

As you said, no material shows where the dart comes from, we can only guess. But in watching the movie in slow-mo, it clearly fires from a round shaped object in his hand in cloaked mode. It's also fired from the RIGHT side of his body, not his left.. and there are no slots on either gaunt for the dart to fire from that you can see.

Hmmm.. I'll have to pop in the DVD and check it out.

 

[Faken]

Well, that has WTF written all over it, doesn't it?

Well I guess they already had that shape "green screened" for the planet shot, why not re-use it for the plasma shots... it's impossible to notice unless you're a complete nerd like... umm... some people... I know

 

[Faken]

Negative again, sir.






Hmmm.. I'll have to pop in the DVD and check it out.

I'm watching it right now... both shots have the exact same shape and make the exact same sound... only difference is one has a blue glow and the other doesn't.

Btw on another note did you ever see the original Predator suit before Stan got involved? The one Jean Claude Vandamme shot a few scenes in? OMG it was bad LOL!

here's the face:

Stan saved the day! LOL!

 

[SilentSurfer]

...it just looks like he got a cherry pie thrown at him LOL!

Litterally laughing my ass off at work. Thanks for that!

 

[SilentSurfer]

Now I want to see the original alien creature fight a Predator. I'd love to see its skull on the trophy wall.

Geez, where would Predator be now if Arnold hadn't brought Stan in? Can you imagine a world without the Pred that made the movie great?

 

[Faken]

Now I want to see the original alien creature fight a Predator. I'd love to see its skull on the trophy wall.

Geez, where would Predator be now if Arnold hadn't brought Stan in? Can you imagine a world without the Pred that made the movie great?

I think (know) the fact that Arnie suggested they get Stan on board is what made this a flic go from a silly B movie to a classic top rated action flic.

 

[Faken]

Litterally laughing my ass off at work. Thanks for that!

Hahaha no problemo You'll laugh more when watching the actual scene tonight and realize that it really does look like someone just off camera bounces a cherry pie off Jesse's shoulder

 

[stoods77]

Hi again,
in regard to the Terminator time paradox, if skynet is destroyed then John could still exist. If there is no future war then an old age sarah would have to track Kyle down and get her freak on with him, providing Kyle would want have sex with an old woman but that's a bite icky. But then again if Kyle doesn't go back in time then sarah would not know about the war. It's all too much. Onemore thing,in TS they make john a an officer in the resistance not the comander,all the other movies they portray John as the leader,in TS he isn't, Michael Ironside is, so what gives?

 

[Kaijuboy]

Hi again,
in regard to the Terminator time paradox, if skynet is destroyed then John could still exist. If there is no future war then an old age sarah would have to track Kyle down and get her freak on with him, providing Kyle would want have sex with an old woman but that's a bite icky. But then again if Kyle doesn't go back in time then sarah would not know about the war. It's all too much. Onemore thing,in TS they make john a an officer in the resistance not the comander,all the other movies they portray John as the leader,in TS he isn't, Michael Ironside is, so what gives?

I'll make this long answer short:

1. Dont think or worry about time paradoxes in Terminator, your head will explode.

2. This is the early part of the war and John isnt commander.. yet...

 

[a-dev]

Btw I am just rewatching it now... there's actually no blood on the neck, the first shot basically puts blood all over his shoulder area on on his ear... it's so hard to tell, it just looks like he got a cherry pie thrown at him LOL! Oh and in terms of sounds, both the first shot and second shot both make that whip crack-like sound the cannon makes when it fires and the slight electrical noise right after.

Maybe there was a second shooter on the grassy kn.....nah.

 

[SilentSurfer]

I'll make this long answer short:

1. Dont think or worry about time paradoxes in Terminator, your head will explode.

I've been to a psycholiatrist three times already with how complicated this paradox thing gets after every movie. I just figure all bets are off if blowing up the Cyberdyne building in T2 postponed Judgment Day. There was no guarantee Kyle would have survived JD since he would no longer be in the same location when it happens. All the events surrounding John Connor becoming the savior may not even happen now. I have learned to appriciate the new timeline (post T2) as a storyline in which I don't know how it's supposed to end. Altering the timeline could mean that Skynet will win. By trying to kill Sarah Skynet created John, its enemy, and by trying to abort Skynet being born, Sarah only made it stronger. Regardless of the outcome, the may not be won by either side by 2029.

You have to use the Back to the Future logic on this one. Think of it this way. Pressume that anything set in motion can't be undone even though the future events that led to them will no longer happen. BTTF was all about changing events by undoing things in the past or future. Heck, we saw three different 1984 timelines in that trilogy. Doesn't mean it didn't happen; it just means the cycle is broken.

What gives everybody such confusion, myself most of all until I started thinking this way, is trying to justify the current timeline by what Kyle described in T1, and trying to figure out how it's still going to get to point A, the back (future) story for the '84. That's when your head explodes.

Just know that what Kyle described is what happened in another timeline, the original timeline. But it's not quite quite like what he's in for now.

 

[SilentSurfer]

A lot of the gadgets the P2 has are refered to as 'smart weapons' meaning they can be programmed to self guide like the throwing disc or something to that effect. The digital feature of the spear may have been another bomb or just some smart feature control panel, perhaps to balance the travel path if thrown. It was also likely used to extend and retract the spear.

 

[Darth_Pain]

I was watching Alien the other day and noticed how dark it was. Everybody (including myself) complained about AVP:R being so dark but, why do I never hear anybody complaining about Alien?

 

[Devil_666]

A lot of the gadgets the P2 has are refered to as 'smart weapons' meaning they can be programmed to self guide like the throwing disc or something to that effect. The digital feature of the spear may have been another bomb or just some smart feature control panel, perhaps to balance the travel path if thrown. It was also likely used to extend and retract the spear.

I don't think it was used to extend or retract the spear because in the slaughterhouse you can see P2 doing that without touching that panel. I also don't think it was for self programming/self guidance because the smart disk (which DOES have that) doesn't have any panel like that. Also the one and only scene in the film where P2 actually throws his spear, he misses. Every other weapon he shoots, hits its target.

I read one theory that it was indeed for self destruction, but remote self destruction in case of it being lost. So that way Predator technology couldn't be recovered. So iunno.

I was watching Alien the other day and noticed how dark it was. Everybody (including myself) complained about AVP:R being so dark but, why do I never hear anybody complaining about Alien?

Because Alien wasn't digitally altered to BE darker like AVP:R. The first trailer released for AVP:R was normal and looked great. Stills, etc. used that footage as well. Then when the movie came out and it was A LOT darker than that, people complained.

 

[commandernarra]

Aliens are bio-mechanical weapons created by a superior alien race and one of their crafts crashes in to LV-426 known as the derelict spacecraft. The craft is there for thousands of years with alien eggs stored in stasis chambers until accidentally re-animated by crew members of the Nostromo and the ^^^^ hits the fan.

Hence why the entire premise of AvP is retarded in the sense that the plot of the movie is that in our current time Predators have been hosting Alien hunts on Earth.

Well said. I'll also add that the Predator movies establish that the Predators are attracted to combat in areas of humidity (South American Jungles/ L.A during a heat-wave) so Anderson decide to set it in the arctic
The Alien films establish that the creature is the "Ultimate killing machine" and the point of Ripleys ENTIRE 4 film journey is to stop them from coming to Earth. So Anderson set his film on Earth
Lance Henrickson was quoted as saying that Anderson really understood the mythology of the series, so why have Henrickson play Charles Bishop Weyland, (as a nod that one day the Bishop android will be created in his image), when Henrickson had already played that character (Bishop 2) in Alien3 Why is the gestation period for the chestbursters in AVP so radically different than the other Alien films . My Q@A is, why was Fox so eager to get a useless hack to ruin 2 of its best franchises. The answer is probably $

 

[laudanum09]

henrickson's presence in A3 was eerie and unsettling. It was almost like the first time you watched Aliens...once you found out he was an android you really weren't sure if you could trust him (because of Alien). When he shows up in A3, I felt similar, I felt kind of a creepy ambiguousness towards him for the same reasons they brought him to the prison, as a reminder to Ripley of an old friend in order to manipulate her...So that was a perfect use of Henrickson, and that was a perfect understanding of the mythology.

The more I think about it the more A3's final moments really are my favorite of the entire series.

AVP's usage of him made no sense whatsoever and felt kitschy. He felt like some phoney father figure instead of the ambiguous CEO of a corporation that has seems to have little to no interest in human life.

 

[commandernarra]

That's what I mean. Bishop 2 serves an important part in Alien3. It is stated that he created the Bishop android and came to Fury as a "friendly" face to reassure Ripley. So Anderson knows less than the average fan when he included A character that usurps that role some 250 years earlier. Its just lazy writing and for Henrikson to claim this "Kid" knows his mythology is just crazy. Don't get me wrong, I love Henrikson, and he has to defend the films he works on, but I wish he would of taken a pass on this one. He was so great in Aliens.

 

[SpawnFan]

The whole timeline thing where stopping Skynet would kill John as he is born because of that is just speculating that Terminator uses BTTF time-logic while it could just be that things that are sent back in time become part of that timeline and branch off from that point onward.

Thus John Connor does not have to dissapear if Skynet would be stopped or even send back his father when he met him as that is another Kyle Reese than the one that created him with his mother 20+ years ago.

And Dan is that canon about the Space Jockey species engineering the Aliens? That's pretty cool!

 

[SilentSurfer]

The whole timeline thing where stopping Skynet would kill John as he is born because of that is just speculating that Terminator uses BTTF time-logic while it could just be that things that are sent back in time become part of that timeline and branch off from that point onward.

Which is also BTTF time-logic. The Sports Alamanac went back to 1955, and became part of Biff's history and changed everything from that point onward until Marty went back again and set everything right(ish).

And Dan is that canon about the Space Jockey species engineering the Aliens?

Speculation based on circumstance, but no 'official' canon exists that sets that in stone, but I agree that is a cool origin story.