The idea of the terminator having to eat and having compartmentalised organs makes sense to me - I kinda wish that had made it into the film. The living human tissue has to be sustained somehow otherwise it'd just rot off I expect.
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tylerdurden
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the idea of a terminator eating organic matter to sustain its organic components doesn't hold water with me. simply because the terminators (eg: t-800 series) were never shown to have any form of internal organs (to process the food) whether on film or in concept renderings.
and more importantly, it would be impractical for a cyborg to have to rely on a dual power source to sustain itself, one for the organics, one for the robotics.
i always assumed the organic parts (flesh) were sustained by electrical impulses, provided by its core power cell. minute jolts of electricity fed into the tissue in continuous cycles would keep the whole system "fresh" and in working condition---automated venal circulation would ensure blood was constantly flowing, artificial sweat glands would be activated above a certain temperature, etc etc. essentially maintaining the simulation of "living".
that's my take on it.
and more importantly, it would be impractical for a cyborg to have to rely on a dual power source to sustain itself, one for the organics, one for the robotics.
i always assumed the organic parts (flesh) were sustained by electrical impulses, provided by its core power cell. minute jolts of electricity fed into the tissue in continuous cycles would keep the whole system "fresh" and in working condition---automated venal circulation would ensure blood was constantly flowing, artificial sweat glands would be activated above a certain temperature, etc etc. essentially maintaining the simulation of "living".
that's my take on it.
If that would actually work I'd accept it.
Its true there were never any suggestions that there was internal organs or the capability to ingest food in the films - although Cameron was able to eat in the tv show as I recall.
If there was internal organs things would have been extra messy in that hydraulic press in T1..
Its true there were never any suggestions that there was internal organs or the capability to ingest food in the films - although Cameron was able to eat in the tv show as I recall.
If there was internal organs things would have been extra messy in that hydraulic press in T1..
Biology 101: all organic matter breaks down. It has to regerate, especially if it is heavily damaged. The only reason for blood flow is to provide oxygen and nutrients to the flesh. If the flesh is wounded, what is it going to use as material for regeration (healing) if it does not eat... magic? Electrical impulses only serve to stimulate cells to do what they do, which is to process oxygen and nutrients in order to maintain itself.
There are any number of places for a food processing unit to be hidden within the endo. That part could simply be burned away with the flesh. Nobody has done a diagram of the flesh component of a T-800 to show what that might look like (doesn't need to be like a human stomach), but living flesh dies if not constantly fed. That's one of the laws of nature.
tylerdurden
Super Freak
sure, dude. but we're certainly NOT dealing with the laws of nature or biology 101 here, are we? it's artificially-generated flesh. even though they said it's "living" we don't know the extent to which it is "real" in the way our human flesh is.
anyway, in the words of kyle reese himself " i don't know tech stuff". my take was just based on what we've seen & heard in the terminator films, and we have to accept that as canon, don't we?
since the cyborgs (t-800s) were never shown eating nor was it ever even implied they need food of any kind to sustain their organic components, it's more likely that the maintenance n healing of the flesh is via "other" means, such as electrical/electronic/chemical.
the clearest clue to me is the scene in t2 where young john asks "how long do you live? i mean, last?" arnie replies "120 years with my existing power cell." he never said anything about needing to munch on some big macs (or baby food) every now and then.
and mind you, this is after sustaining significant bullet wounds, so if he needed to heal his flesh, he would've been shown eating or at least said he needs to. the following scene at the drive-in, everyone was eating except for arnie. or maybe he just didn't fancy crappy fast food.
do note that i'm not COMPLETELY ruling out the cyborgs having to eat theory. cos all these are just speculation anyway. my theory was simply what seemed more likely to me...
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since the cyborgs (t-800s) were never shown eating nor was it ever even implied they need food of any kind to sustain their organic components, it's more likely that the maintenance n healing of the flesh is via "other" means, such as electrical/electronic/chemical.
the clearest clue to me is the scene in t2 where young john asks "how long do you live? i mean, last?" arnie replies "120 years with my existing power cell." he never said anything about needing to munch on some big macs (or baby food) every now and then.
True, we never saw a Terminator eating, but it was part of the original concept. It was even filmed, or about to be filmed, but was cut because it didn't help move the story or increase the drama of the Terminator. Plot pace is often a major factor in what ends up on screen. Because it was part of James's original idea, and he created the whole thing, I choose to accept it. Deleting a scene can often save a movie from being even worse, like leaving out Sergeant Candi, but it doesn't always mean that the cut scene can't still be canon. How much cool, and now canon, stuff was cut from Aliens?
The power cell is for the machine primarily, and whatever systems it employs, but you have a valid point about the flesh being artificially produced which means not all laws need apply. However, I don't believe that the flesh would be included in the 120 years case. After a while it's bound to get 'old', however you want to think of it. I don't think that the flesh was meant to last as long as the machine. There's no need for it to when it can just go back to Skynet and get a new skinjob. The flesh is always heavily damaged on a Terminator's mission anyway, and no living target is going to live 120 years. The endo was built to last, but the flesh, being that it is supposed to accurately simulate human flesh, isn't. In fact, the skin on the '84 Terminator was starting to rot because the wounds were never closed.
I like to think that a successful Terminator would go back to Skynet for repair, new skin, and a new mission. The skin it wears may not even need to be the same each time. Arnold and Franco could have used the same Endo. Who knows.
tylerdurden
Super Freak
actually, that is (kinda) how i see it too. i didn't think the organic components could keep going as long as its robotic parts. doesn't matter whether it eats food or uses other means to keep the flesh "alive".
to me, the flesh could only be sustained for so long and so much by its internal power cell until it deteriorated too badly to be regenerated. in which case, it'd simply go back to skynet for a replacement flesh-job.
mariomart
Freakzoid
The T-X could use a straw on the T-1000 and suck him away. She could then wear him like a mink coat.
Seriously, I have no idea.
Cheers
Mario
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The T-X could use a straw on the T-100 and suck him away. She could then wear him like a mink coat.
Seriously, I have no idea.
Cheers
Good to know that you brought something consturctive to the discussion Mario
It depends - do we know if plasma guns can destroy a liquid metal terminator? If so then I'd give the nod to the T-X because she has one in-built.
The T-1000 only managed to severely disable the T-800 because of the environment they fought in - otherwise it seems to me that fight could have gone on forever with neither Terminator particularly being able to damage the other.
A T-X though could merely blast the T-1000 before he even got close.
The T-1000 only managed to severely disable the T-800 because of the environment they fought in - otherwise it seems to me that fight could have gone on forever with neither Terminator particularly being able to damage the other.
A T-X though could merely blast the T-1000 before he even got close.
Mind reader.You said the T-X would suck him.
Guess that means the T-1000 wins!
You said the T-X would suck him.
by exploiting a certain 'submissiveness' inherent to the T-Xs programming tee hee hee.
stoods77
Super Freak
i think the flesh only needs to survive long enough to infultrate the human resistance/or to complete a certain mission. i don't think it's meant to last. even though in t2 arnie says the flesh wounds would heal, there maybe different types of flesh from ones that last a few day to ones that last longer. i think this is where nano technology kicks in.
Dude, I love that! That so works for me. Even better is that maybe the Resistance learned how to combine the two to make the flesh heal faster (nanites assistance) and last longer for what could have been a long term protection mission had the T-1000 not been destroyed in a couple of days.
That totally works in the canon of existing movies without screwing anything else up. I love coming up with ways to make sense of the inconsistancies they create when they make sequels. Thanks for that one.
After all, the T3 DVD even talks about them modifying the 850's endo by adding titanium to him for increased resistance to the T-X's plasma weapon and it also made him heavier. That and the subroutine upgrade are what make him an 850 instead of an 800.
Guess the fireman being unable to budge him was to let us know that he was even sturdier now, instead of being able to be blown through a window by a mere shotgun. With the way the T-X was knocking the 850 around, it's a good thing he wasn't an 800.
That totally works in the canon of existing movies without screwing anything else up. I love coming up with ways to make sense of the inconsistancies they create when they make sequels. Thanks for that one.
After all, the T3 DVD even talks about them modifying the 850's endo by adding titanium to him for increased resistance to the T-X's plasma weapon and it also made him heavier. That and the subroutine upgrade are what make him an 850 instead of an 800.
Guess the fireman being unable to budge him was to let us know that he was even sturdier now, instead of being able to be blown through a window by a mere shotgun. With the way the T-X was knocking the 850 around, it's a good thing he wasn't an 800.
In some Terminator something or other...I forget, but anyway, the T-X is tested by Skynet by being put up against a T-1002...don't know the exact difference, but it blasts it with the plasma cannon and destroys it in one hit...
Sounds good! Maybe a comic?
stoods77
Super Freak
Not the Gaming section, but I thought the clip would be just as appreciated here even though it's kind of old news now.
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