Aliens,Predator and Terminator Q&A (Anything!)

[SilentSurfer]

One thing though - John Connor must know about the time paradox as he was witness to the conversation about how Cyberdyne based all its work on the original Terminator, and he knows his own dad was from the future.

But why doesn't Skynet become aware of this paradox, and therefore realise that it must send its Terminator to 1984 just to ensure its own existance in the first place?
...But what was to stop Skynet from quickly learning after it became self aware that its own inception derived from mysteriously 'found' technology that was far beyond what was otherwise possible as of 1984? Did it simply not put 2 and 2 together here?

Without T2, John nor Sarah would have known how Skynet started. To them, as it was to us until T2, it just would have been something that happened regardless of events in '84. We didn't even know it was a Cybercynde building at the end of T1 until T2 because the scene where they find the chip (which was filmed for T1) was deleted.

Now if you throw in T2, yes, they find out from Dyson how Skynet will come from technology developed from the Endo remains, but it will not be until they blow up the new Cyberdyne building that the timeline of J-Day and the War Against the Machines will scew into an alternate future. Technically, the timeline scewed as soon as the T-1000 arrived, but that's because his actions will lead to the destruction of that building.

However, John would know of the paradox with his father regardless of timeline just because that is the core of his existance, but he would still only know what has already happened, and that from Kyle's account to Sarah.

The scene in T4 with him confused over Sarah's tapes is great because she is giving him info based on Kyle's account of a different timeline, but what is happening in the current movie timeline isn't what once happened, which again proves that there must be at least two timelines in order to accept any and all of the sequels.[/QUOTE]

 

[EndIessRAlN]

These posts are getting too long for me to read. My eyes hurt.

 

[SilentSurfer]

Its pretty interesting. And what would the T2 T-800 have done if he witnessed the T-1000 killing John Connor. Would he have continued battling him? Or just shrugged and walked off?!

They just shake hands and say, "the best Terminator won," and go have a beer.

I like what T:TSCC did with Terminators having different missions in the past to safeguard Skynets development. Or that episode with the Terminator accidentally sent to the wrong time. I wonder how that managed to happen

I know some people like that show, but it so doesn't work for any of the movie canon, no matter what timeline you agree with. The whole premise of the series was that you can jump forward in time (which I'm not entirely against, but hesitant to accept) and that a Terminator skull bounced through, which totally violates the first rule of time displacement: NOTHING DEAD WILL GO.

That and crying ballerina Terminators, good T-1000 corporate execs, a fat, pregnant, unwed teen slob loser, and all kinds of Terminators in all kinds of times, doing all kinds of different things to affect the outcome of Skynet just totally wipes its ass with the heart of what made Terminator so friggin' awesome to begin with. There is a reason that show failed. SCC cannot fit in with the movie franchise. Hell, it bypassed T3 all together and pushed J-Day back even further. Enough already. Screw that show!

Sorry.

 

[SilentSurfer]

These posts are getting too long for me to read. My eyes hurt.

Get a bigger monitor, brother.

 

[EndIessRAlN]

They just shake hands and say, "the best Terminator won," and go have a beer.

I know some people like that show, but it so doesn't work for any of the movie canon, no matter what timeline you agree with. The whole premise of the series was that you can jump forward in time (which I'm not entirely against, but hesitant to accept) and that a Terminator skull bounced through, which totally violates the first rule of time displacement: NOTHING DEAD WILL GO.

That and crying ballerina Terminators, good T-1000 corporate execs, a fat, pregnant, unwed teen slob loser, and all kinds of Terminators in all kinds of times, doing all kinds of different things to affect the outcome of Skynet just totally wipes its ass with the heart of what made Terminator so friggin' awesome to begin with. There is a reason that show failed. SCC cannot fit in with the movie franchise. Hell, it bypassed T3 all together and pushed J-Day back even further. Enough already. Screw that show!

Sorry.

Have a beer. Hahaha!




Yea if Skynet can send that many Terminators back in time, why doesn't it just send a damn army. Oh hell, just one back a few million years and kill the human ancestors, the cro-magnons before they even evolve into modern day humans, in turn making humans virtually non-existent. And since they have all the info they need on John Connor now, why stop at Sarah? Send a few more back and go for their grand parents, or great great grand parents!!! For a super intellegent net AI...the SCC Skynet is pretty stupid.

I liked the show T:SCC too, but the whole concept of Skynet capable of sending back as many Termies as it wants totally dilutes the concept. Didn't think about that till now. Thanks Surfer.

 

[a-dev]

Oh hell, just one back a few million years and kill the human ancestors, the cro-magnons before they even evolve into modern day humans, in turn making humans virtually non-existent.

Skynet needs humanity to have existed in order for its own existance to come to be. So that'd be a tad counter-productive. Killing great grandparents or grandparents though should do the same job as killing Sarah connor in 1984. Maybe they couldn't trace the family history back that far for some reason.

 

[EndIessRAlN]

Quick toy question. Does the Hot Toys Endos and Hot Toys P1 use the same batteries? If so what kind of battery is it? I want to order a bunch online or on ebay. My 800 endo's eyes are almost dead, and I left the P1's targeting on for too long so it's pretty much dead too.

 

[EndIessRAlN]

Skynet needs humanity to have existed in order for its own existance to come to be. So that'd be a tad counter-productive. Killing great grandparents or grandparents though should do the same job as killing Sarah connor in 1984. Maybe they couldn't trace the family history back that far for some reason.

Ha! You got me there on the Humanity needs to be around to create Skynet part. Then Skynet should sent Terminators back in time to take over every powerful political role in the history of the 20th century and increase human advancement toward the discovery of AI and jump start J-day by maybe 50 years which eliminated the whole Connor being the savior thing since he wouldn't even be born yet when it happens.

 

[SilentSurfer]

Skynet needs humanity to have existed in order for its own existance to come to be. So that'd be a tad counter-productive. Killing great grandparents or grandparents though should do the same job as killing Sarah connor in 1984. Maybe they couldn't trace the family history back that far for some reason.

The most important thing you guys are missing is that the events of '84 were very specificly timed (albeit unintentionally) to create both John, who would not only be the man to stop Skynet, but be in the perfect timeframe to stop it, and to create Skynet, because the Endo had to end up in the Cyberdyne factory and thus be in the hands of the men who would turn what they found (the chip) into Skynet and the Terminator Model 101 (being their first design) Endoskeleton (based off of the remains of the 101 found in the factory).

As for grandparents, may I refer you to Kyle's answer in the police station:

"Skynet knew almost nothing about John's mother. Her full name, where she lived. It just knew the city. The Terminator was just being systematic."

Skynet couldn't know where Sarah's parents or grandparents were, if it didn't even know Sarah's full name or what address she called home.

All the answers are already there, guys. It's like reading the Bible. You just have to know where to look.

 

[EndIessRAlN]

Quick toy question. Does the Hot Toys Endos and Hot Toys P1 use the same batteries? If so what kind of battery is it? I want to order a bunch online or on ebay. My 800 endo's eyes are almost dead, and I left the P1's targeting on for too long so it's pretty much dead too.

Just in case if anyone missed this one since it was the last post on the last page.

 

[EndIessRAlN]

The most important thing you guys are missing is that the events of '84 were very specificly timed (albeit unintentionally) to create both John, who would not only be the man to stop Skynet, but be in the perfect timeframe to stop it, and to create Skynet, because the Endo had to end up in the Cyberdyne factory and thus be in the hands of the men who would turn what they found (the chip) into Skynet and the Terminator Model 101 (being their first design) Endoskeleton (based off of the remains of the 101 found in the factory).

As for grandparents, may I refer you to Kyle's answer in the police station:

"Skynet knew almost nothing about John's mother. Her full name, where she lived. It just knew the city. The Terminator was just being systematic."

Skynet couldn't know where Sarah's parents or grandparents were, if it didn't even know Sarah's full name or what address she called home.

All the answers are already there, guys. It's like reading the Bible. You just have to know where to look.

I was talking about the new timeline with T:S and the stuff from T:SCC. T1 had all the loopholes covered. But the newer installations kinda ruined all of that.

 

[a-dev]

I guess I forgave T:TSCC any of its innate timetravel-related inconsistencies and even the bouncing endo head going through the time portal because it took a more serious Cameron-esque approach in terms of the overall tone. Disregarding and contradicting T3 can only be a good thing because that film was a joke and it treated the series as a joke.

 

[SilentSurfer]

Initially I did like that they passed over T3, but with TS now continuing the story, I had to make it work, and now I'm totally satisfied with my alternating timeline loops theory. It totally works for all movies and still allows for a semi-reboot sequel series of the original timeline. But for that to happen, TSCC, and all its literary license and ignoring of the rules has got to go.

As a point of argument, TSCC doesn't allow for the events of TS to take place either because it changed the date of J-Day and the timeline further, so it's doubly outa there.

Just in case if anyone missed this one since it was the last post on the last page.

I think the batteries are the same, but I don't know what size they are called. Just take them to a Walmart (if you have one), or the watch repair department of any shopping center, and they can probably hook you up. Look on the batteries and see if it says what they are. Batteries have to be labeled somehow because they are potential dangerous if put in the wrong equipment, and they can also be considered hazardous in the shipping business.

I was talking about the new timeline with T:S and the stuff from T:SCC. T1 had all the loopholes covered. But the newer installations kinda ruined all of that.

Go back and read my lenghtier posts. I have plugged up all the wholes in the later installments with the alternating timeline theory. TSCC not included.

 

[a-dev]

Initially I did like that they passed over T3, but with TS now continuing the story, I had to make it work, and now I'm totally satisfied with my alternating timeline loops theory. It totally works for all movies and still allows for a semi-reboot sequel series of the original timeline. But for that to happen, TSCC, and all its literary license and ignoring of the rules has got to go.

As a point of argument, TSCC doesn't allow for the events of TS to take place either because it changed the date of J-Day and the timeline further, so it's doubly outa there.

You're operating from the technical compatability of T3 and T4 with the first 2 films whereas I'm operating based on the quality of entertainment. I think the tv show was better than those latter 2 films.

 

[SilentSurfer]

Copy that. On the bright side of TSCC, you get two seasons worth of stuff instead of just 2 somewhat disappointing movies.

 

[SilentSurfer]

Holy crap! I just found a site, https://www.hopeofthefuture.net/deletedscenes/t3del12.html, that has stills from deleted scenes from T3 that show an endoskeleton being built by CRS. Check it out! I haven’t explored the site much, but I think it could be very cool. And there's a link to a scene featuring the testing of the T-1s.

Why is there no special edition of T3 that makes it cool again?

 

[EndIessRAlN]

Holy crap! I just found a site, https://www.hopeofthefuture.net/deletedscenes/t3del12.html, that has stills from deleted scenes from T3 that show an endoskeleton being built by CRS. Check it out! I haven’t explored the site much, but I think it could be very cool. And there's a link to a scene featuring the testing of the T-1s.

Why is there no special edition of T3 that makes it cool again?

Some really cool stuff there. Been reading up on it for 2 hours now.

 

[SilentSurfer]

Amazing site, yeah? How did that guy find out all that stuff?

I like how the in the original story for T1, the Terminator actually had to eat to support his living flesh. Crazy.

Man, I want to see those deleted CRS scenes.

 

[EndIessRAlN]

Yea totally awesome site. But I don't see how just a snicker bar was gonna do anything if the skin needed nutrients to stay alive.

 

[SilentSurfer]

Seriously...

It would make more sense if it was eating baby food like RoboCop. I would actually like to see that scene. Terminator fixes his eye, puts on Gargoyles, touches up his hair, sits down and opens up a jar of baby food and eats it with a little plastic spoon.

Hell yeah!