ALL THINGS TRANSFORMERS!!!!

[Gipetto0812]

sorry but as much as I love G1 I would really hate if I saw CG G1 on screen. it would just look bad IMO. A little deviation like DPrime said is alright withe me but Ironhide and Ratchet as vans in a movie, hardly exciting designs.

And I cared that Ironhide died. He's my second favorite TF character next to Prime.

I know the movies were far from perfect but I still thoroughly enjoyed them. Well except for ROTF. the only scenes I can handle in that film are the opening, the forest battle and then the very end starting from when Prime comes back. But 1 and 3, i can watch over and over.

And with that said, I got my APS-01 Striker Prime in today and it is sick! the vehicle mode is the best part about it. Going to add a few paint details but overall, it's awesome. Hope they do more movie figs in the APS line. Would be great to have Leader Ironhide with a "premium" paint job or Sentinel Prime

 

[Valfar]

LMAO !! Spot on buddy

Although I've got to say my number 1 and most important change would be to take the whole thing as far, far away from Mr Michael Bay as possible!!!

With him in charge (even following the conditions you set out) there would be no end of inappropriate "humour", ENDLESS slow motion in front of never ending sunsets and an Optimus Prime more psychotic than your worst Decepticon !!

I'd Love Joss Whedon to be given the job

Bob

I'd love for him to stay the **** away from Transformers, i dislike most of his work..**** i hate Buffy and Avengers i enjoyed but, overrated much like the man himself.

 

[Solid_Slug]

sorry but as much as I love G1 I would really hate if I saw CG G1 on screen. it would just look bad IMO. A little deviation like DPrime said is alright withe me but Ironhide and Ratchet as vans in a movie, hardly exciting designs.

Not entirely like G1, but what bothers me most about those movie designs is that they don't look anything like transformers. They are more like some lego bionicle or something like that. If someone would have showed me a picture of Megatron, I would have guessed that it is from new Terminator movie or something like that. That would have been my best guess. Would have never thought that it would actually be a transformer. I think that in case of many say comic book movies, they have usually done rather good job to make those characters to look like the way they are usually portrayed in the comics. And I just find it visually rather puzzling to follow metal monstrocities on screen, that actually look like they would have been made of pieces of scrap metal welded together. At least I don't like aesthetically so over complex designs.

Obviously they could have updated the alt modes to match modern days (as they have done in many comics) and Megatron could have been a tank since Prime also has more of a G2 look and so on. They also wouldn't have to be as blocky as early and original G1 designs. Obviously you could do some tweaking here and there and to make them look more machine like. Adding details, but not making them look like someone got too much chrystal meth while doing the designs.

If they so hard wanted to do something that is far from original transformers as possible, then why not creating something completely new and original to begin with...I know TF-brand is more known and sells more than Big Robots from Outer Space.

 

[thecorsair]

Oh hells yeah!

Nice work!

Silent Bob,
Having a reboot kept as far from Bay as possible kind of goes without saying, hopefully he's done after the 4th one as he's now got the Turtles fanbase to annoy.

I'm not really familiar with most of his work but having enjoyed Avengers so much it's clear Joss Whedon would excel at giving a wider cast of characters something to do in each movie.

Solid_Slug,
I agree that the movie designs are too busy looking and when you add in the headache inducing shaky cam that Bay uses so much it's no suprise that some people find them incoherent unless they're in slow motion or standing still.

I think that G1 style robot modes could work with some tweaking, but it would have to be subtly done otherwise there's the risk of making them overdetailed and the same issue as Bayformers would arise.

Changed alt modes could also work as long as the G1 color schemes were kept, at least for the Autobots.

Multicolored fighter jets would look awesome but would be an easy target for criticism although as we've recently had Transformer movies with a robot pissing oil, references to masturbation, some literal "doggy style", John Tuturro's ass, and another robot humping someone's leg I somehow think a bright blue F-15 or F-22 wouldn't be such a big deal

 

[YoNoSe]

I will settle for robots that don't hurt my eyes and a script that doesn't aggressively contradict itself. I know I'm asking for the moon, but a boy can dream!

 

[Gipetto0812]

Not entirely like G1, but what bothers me most about those movie designs is that they don't look anything like transformers. They are more like some lego bionicle or something like that. If someone would have showed me a picture of Megatron, I would have guessed that it is from new Terminator movie or something like that. That would have been my best guess. Would have never thought that it would actually be a transformer. I think that in case of many say comic book movies, they have usually done rather good job to make those characters to look like the way they are usually portrayed in the comics. And I just find it visually rather puzzling to follow metal monstrocities on screen, that actually look like they would have been made of pieces of scrap metal welded together. At least I don't like aesthetically so over complex designs.

Obviously they could have updated the alt modes to match modern days (as they have done in many comics) and Megatron could have been a tank since Prime also has more of a G2 look and so on. They also wouldn't have to be as blocky as early and original G1 designs. Obviously you could do some tweaking here and there and to make them look more machine like. Adding details, but not making them look like someone got too much chrystal meth while doing the designs.

If they so hard wanted to do something that is far from original transformers as possible, then why not creating something completely new and original to begin with...I know TF-brand is more known and sells more than Big Robots from Outer Space.

I agree w/ your comments and believe that it can be done. But I just think it's reduculous to believe that something looking exactly like the cartoon will look good on screen like some folks want (not talking about just ppl here but from what I've read over at TFW and Seibertron). I understand the nostalgia. TFs are the longest running line I've been collecting since I was a kid.

Designs come down to personal prefeferenc and I know that I'm in the minority so I won't argue too much with folks that hate the movies b/c it's useless to do so. I loved the movie designs all but Megatron in the first movie. In ROTF I would've assumed Galvatron (which is what they were going for anyway) but the first movie the design was far from original Megatron. I loved the intricate details and how there were usually moving parts even when the they're just standing there is too cool. And I still get that amazed/gitty feeling when watching the first movie during the autobots decent to earth, getting their vehicle modes/meeting Sam. Optimus' transformation in that scene was the just an amazing thing to to see to me.

 

[karamazov80]

I think G1 designs in the real world would look fine. To me, it's like the argument used in X-Men--"oh, superhero costumes are so silly and stupid looking in reality. We have to give them black leather costumes so that people will take them seriously in live action!"

But no one blinks thinking of Reeve Superman, Spider-Man, and essentially the whole cast of the Avengers. The audience is willing to suspend disbelief on one level (i.e., the completely unrealistic human behavior and dialogue in the film. . .and I guess the fact that giant alien robots who transform into vehicles are tramping around), they'll be willing to suspend it on another (i.e., design of said robots). And in the process, we might actually get some robots that look, you know, pleasant to the eye. We won't see it from Bay, but I would love to see it.

 

[Gipetto0812]

It's like I said though, design is a personal prefence. You don't think the movie designs are pleasnt to the eye, I do. Also, singer did say no more leather suit but I understand what you're saying.

Boxy bulky robot designs are just laughable in film at this technological age we're in though, at least to me. These movies aren't just being made for fans. You have to consider outside/non fans and what appeals to them.

I love the short that came out when TF1 was about to hit theaters called "they were always real to me" and had pretty nice looking CG recreating the 80's movie fight between Megatron and Optimus at the autobot city on earth except it was placed under an overpass I believe. But I can't watch a movie like that I theaters. I'd buy it as a straight to DVD kind of thing but I'd be like "really? All the money they and and this is what they did"

EDIT: sorry, I meant to say at the beginning of my post "I understand what you're saying"

 

[karamazov80]

I do understand there is personal preference at play, but that's sort of my same argument--I think that a mass movie-going audience would support boxy robots if they were given them. I think guys like Bay have a skewed point of view when they think that most moviegoers would reject such a thing. The idea of alien robots coming to earth to fight each other is itself laughable. Whether they look like indecipherable jumbles of wires and parts or nicely designed works of Japanese anime doesn't really make a huge difference in terms of believability IMO. They thought the Godzilla design from the 1990s was more "realistic," too, and that the "man in suit" was just too over the top and unbelievable in this day and age. . .

 

[DPrime]

Good sfx and good writing would make it believable. No doubt, here.

I think G1 designs in the real world would look fine. To me, it's like the argument used in X-Men--"oh, superhero costumes are so silly and stupid looking in reality. We have to give them black leather costumes so that people will take them seriously in live action!"

But no one blinks thinking of Reeve Superman, Spider-Man, and essentially the whole cast of the Avengers. The audience is willing to suspend disbelief on one level (i.e., the completely unrealistic human behavior and dialogue in the film. . .and I guess the fact that giant alien robots who transform into vehicles are tramping around), they'll be willing to suspend it on another (i.e., design of said robots). And in the process, we might actually get some robots that look, you know, pleasant to the eye. We won't see it from Bay, but I would love to see it.

Great post. People always seem to defend the horrible looking Bay designs as if it's the only logical, unbiased choice, but there are plenty of examples in film where the original basic designs were maintained, and audiences bought it.

Again, it comes down to good effects and writing/direction. If the characters are believable, no one will care what they look like.

Heh, and maybe that's another reason why so many people just can't accept the Bay designs, but that's a whole other can of worms...

 

[Gipetto0812]

90's Godzilla did look more realistic the movie just felt incredibly long and sucked ass however I'm sure it's safe to assume that's the feeling many TF fans got when watching Bay's movies

Anywhoo it's a debate that won't end unless its actually tried in film to see if it actually can be successful. Unfortunately for those that want it, it possibly won't happen until the next trilogy is over with and TF movies are put to rest for a while for someone years from now to try again. Unless of course, Bay does simmer down his previous designs for the beginning of this new trilogy.

Also edited my previous post as I misstyped (or text since in on my phone). I meant to say "I understand what you're saying" at the beginning.

 

[karamazov80]

Yeah, you're right in that we won't know unless it happens, and I don't think it will happen in live action. CG is probably the best hope (and that is probably a real long shot), and at that point I think it would have less opposition from folks considering it is a form of animation. In fact, I would be thrilled if the Bay style kept going to appease fans of his films, while we were given a G1 styled CG animated film in a different universe, with a different creative team aimed at more hardcore fans of the cartoon, comic, and toys from the 80s. It could even be a bit more sophisticated considering that they wouldn't need to try to use it as a glorified commercial so much to appeal to teens.

Won't happen, I know, but. . .

 

[Gipetto0812]

Good sfx and good writing would make it believable. No doubt, here.



Great post. People always seem to defend the horrible looking Bay designs as if it's the only logical, unbiased choice, but there are plenty of examples in film where the original basic designs were maintained, and audiences bought it.

Again, it comes down to good effects and writing/direction. If the characters are believable, no one will care what they look like.

Heh, and maybe that's another reason why so many people just can't accept the Bay designs, but that's a whole other can of worms...

I don't agree. The TF movies hav had some of the best sfx I've seen in movies to date. Sfx like that on box designs won't make box design look more appealing, just more real. Writing, on the others and I can agree with most about. It's the designs that I don't agree with ppl about plus the fact that that I generally like the movies and know them almost word for word and have watched them countless times. So it just becomes pointless for me to debate such things

Yeah, you're right in that we won't know unless it happens, and I don't think it will happen in live action. CG is probably the best hope (and that is probably a real long shot), and at that point I think it would have less opposition from folks considering it is a form of animation. In fact, I would be thrilled if the Bay style kept going to appease fans of his films, while we were given a G1 styled CG animated film in a different universe, with a different creative team aimed at more hardcore fans of the cartoon, comic, and toys from the 80s. It could even be a bit more sophisticated considering that they wouldn't need to try to use it as a glorified commercial so much to appeal to teens.

Won't happen, I know, but. . .

I agree that an animated CG film will probably best for older hardcore fans. Similar to how DC Animated is making some great comic book based animated movies. If done right, they could be a huge seller.

 

[loricstone]

Not entirely like G1, but what bothers me most about those movie designs is that they don't look anything like transformers. They are more like some lego bionicle or something like that. If someone would have showed me a picture of Megatron, I would have guessed that it is from new Terminator movie or something like that. That would have been my best guess. Would have never thought that it would actually be a transformer. I think that in case of many say comic book movies, they have usually done rather good job to make those characters to look like the way they are usually portrayed in the comics. And I just find it visually rather puzzling to follow metal monstrocities on screen, that actually look like they would have been made of pieces of scrap metal welded together. At least I don't like aesthetically so over complex designs.

Obviously they could have updated the alt modes to match modern days (as they have done in many comics) and Megatron could have been a tank since Prime also has more of a G2 look and so on. They also wouldn't have to be as blocky as early and original G1 designs. Obviously you could do some tweaking here and there and to make them look more machine like. Adding details, but not making them look like someone got too much chrystal meth while doing the designs.

If they so hard wanted to do something that is far from original transformers as possible, then why not creating something completely new and original to begin with...I know TF-brand is more known and sells more than Big Robots from Outer Space.

The TF movie designs would fit in perfectly with the movie Virus that came out almost a decade ago. Thats where they belong.

 

[loricstone]

I agree w/ your comments and believe that it can be done. But I just think it's reduculous to believe that something looking exactly like the cartoon will look good on screen like some folks want (not talking about just ppl here but from what I've read over at TFW and Seibertron). I understand the nostalgia. TFs are the longest running line I've been collecting since I was a kid.

Designs come down to personal prefeferenc and I know that I'm in the minority so I won't argue too much with folks that hate the movies b/c it's useless to do so. I loved the movie designs all but Megatron in the first movie. In ROTF I would've assumed Galvatron (which is what they were going for anyway) but the first movie the design was far from original Megatron. I loved the intricate details and how there were usually moving parts even when the they're just standing there is too cool. And I still get that amazed/gitty feeling when watching the first movie during the autobots decent to earth, getting their vehicle modes/meeting Sam. Optimus' transformation in that scene was the just an amazing thing to to see to me.

Are you frikking joking??

Look, lots of fans try to make excuses for the movie because thats the only live action stuff we have as TF fans. But for goodness sake, if anyone can even REMOTELY TRY to make a case that G1 designs would not work, ESPECIALLY in comparison to the movie designs, is either A)Loco; B)Cuckoo; C)Not from this dimension; or D)I stepped into an alternate reality while typing this text.

Clearly, its not D. All other 3 probably apply best in this scenario, with C being the most likely.

One look at the highly detailed Transformers games show you just how awesome and detailed TFs are. I'll be honest, I wouldn't mind if the designs were close to War from Cybertron artwork. At least the shells are recognizable! I don't know who the frik is who from who in the movies.

You show me a better design for this in a movie and I will personally send you $10 paypal. No joke! It aint happening!!!!!!

The only thing that would need to be done to G1 in live action is just more details on the chassis and not a clean looking simple chassis from the cartoons.

 

[Gipetto0812]

^^^and that's exactly why I don't debate these things b/c ppl like you just LOVE to over exaggerate and put forth hyperbole thinking that makes your point that much more valid. Not going to step any further into this. I said what i wanted to say. I'll enjoy the movies and shows (old and new) to my hearts content and you can keep on complaining that there's not a live action version of the 80's movie

 

[Checkmate]

Have you all seen this:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11QlvIxOEqg[/ame]

Done by a fan. Imagine what could be done with ILM time and money.

 

[Gipetto0812]

That's what I was referring to when talking with Kara. "they were always real to me"

I remember it being done by hasbro not a fan though

 

[Silent Bob]

I'd love for him to stay the **** away from Transformers, i dislike most of his work..**** i hate Buffy and Avengers i enjoyed but, overrated much like the man himself.

Each to their own.

I think Joss is a great writer who has demonstrated time and time again he can handle a large cast of characters while still giving each their own personality, story arc and moment to shine.

Under him it wouldn’t just be Optimus Prime + Bumblebee with assorted characterless background Bots.

All in all I’d just like a transformers film where all the Bots and Cons are actually treated as Characters ratherthan background fodder for the military. In that respect I’d have anyone over Bay.

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Silent Bob,
Having a reboot kept as far from Bay as possible kind of goes without saying, hopefully he's done after the 4th one as he's now got the Turtles fanbase to annoy.

I'm not really familiar with most of his work but having enjoyed Avengers so much it's clear Joss Whedon would excel at giving a wider cast of characters something to do in each movie.

!

I know my friend. It''s taken as read to keep it away from that hack eh?

In a perverse way I am almost glad Turtle fans will feel our pain. Hopefully he won't get a job again.


Got my MP10 and am actually VERY imprssed mate. Monkey arms are just a nod tothe gen 1 toy LOL

Bob

 

[thecorsair]

Each to their own.

I think Joss is a great writer who has demonstrated time and time again he can handle a large cast of characters while still giving each their own personality, story arc and moment to shine.

Under him it wouldn’t just be Optimus Prime + Bumblebee with assorted characterless background Bots.

All in all I’d just like a transformers film where all the Bots and Cons are actually treated as Characters ratherthan background fodder for the military. In that respect I’d have anyone over Bay.




I know my friend. It''s taken as read to keep it away from that hack eh?

In a perverse way I am almost glad Turtle fans will feel our pain. Hopefully he won't get a job again.


Got my MP10 and am actually VERY imprssed mate. Monkey arms are just a nod tothe gen 1 toy LOL

Bob

One reason the Avengers is so much fun is that every character gets their own moment so you end up caring more about the team.

Beyond Prime & BB there's no reason to give a damn about the other
Bayformers Autobots as the only others to get any time spent on them were the retard twins......Bay preferred those two over Sideswipe & Sunstreaker

All the "Team USA Saves The Day" stuff was grating, I'm not anti-American but I don't think many other countries do the "patriotism" thing to the same degree so it did come across as being a bit much....anyone who cares enough knows what a good job they do so it doesn't need to be rammed down our throats in a movie where they're supposed to be on the periphery but that's Hollywood for ya.

The other issue I had is this,

In a movie series which apparently makes a big deal about the robots being "grounded in reality" should any based Earth military really be taking down Decepticons with weapons less powerful than nukes?

As both factions had the technology to get to Earth in the first place it's reasonable to assume that they would also be able to counter anything we throw at them with the possible exception of nukes.

Clearly that's too logical for Bay.