Allosaurus VS Camarasaurus Diorama
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toystales
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Give them a call. SS customer service is generally quite accomodating and this isn't an unreasonable request since you will still be keeping your pre-order.
Atheris
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SixMillionDollarMan Guy
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Forgot to update my post.
Called customer service and they said it was some type of coding issue with my "originals coupon." She gave IT a heads up and they fixed it. Looks like it happened to more folks too. Anyway, she said to cancel and reorder using coupon. Done deal!
Blade-of-the-Moon
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A question has come up on DTF, it's being said the Camara's feet are incorrect.
There has been a lot of discussion in the past about sauropod feet and I admit I don't fully understand what is the current view myself. I do wonder how Jorge could have gotten them wrong though ?
There has been a lot of discussion in the past about sauropod feet and I admit I don't fully understand what is the current view myself. I do wonder how Jorge could have gotten them wrong though ?
Scar
Super Freak
Just responded to a PM from Dan on this very subject.
From what I can see from the pictures on the website, the statue is indeed accurate. Since I'm feeling lazy I'll just copy and paste most of that PM...
In terms of the horseshoe shape, the prints of sauropods are more semicircular than true horseshoes, which makes one conceive of a print that would narrow anteriorly and bow more posteriorly. Looking at the feet of the Camarasaur in the statue, the proportions of the appendicular skeleton are accurate. The way in which the metacarpals are placed on the forelimbs should lend themselves to a columnar shape and greatly reduced digits. The hind limbs also have the distinctive shapes of vertical columns, though the digits should be more pronounced; looking at the different angled shots in the diorama now up on the SS website, that discrepancy between forelimb and hindlimb can be readily seen and is accurate to what we know for Camarasaurus species.
I'm assuming the caterwauling is probably regarding the RH extremity, which if one is paying close attention can be observed to be in mid-shift due to the rapid redistribution of mass on part of the Camarasaur. The broad hind foot has the metacarpals and carpals bowing in rapid motion, captured in the diorama.
dansdinosaurs
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Here's what Scar told me, Blade.
"In terms of the horseshoe shape, the prints of sauropods are more semicircles than true horseshoes, which makes one conceive of a print that would narrow anteriorly and bow more posteriorly. Looking at the feet of the Camarasaur in the statue, the proportions of the appendicular skeleton are accurate. The way in which the metacarpals are placed on the forelimbs should lend themselves to a columnar shape and greatly reduced digits. The hind limbs also have the distinctive shapes of vertical columns, though the digits should be more pronounced; looking at the different angled shots in the diorama now up on the SS website, that discrepancy between forelimb and hindlimb can be readily seen and is accurate to what we know for Camarasaurus species. Any other questions feel free to send them along."
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Oops, nevermind.
Oddly, I did find this useful illustration right here on the SS forum.
"In terms of the horseshoe shape, the prints of sauropods are more semicircles than true horseshoes, which makes one conceive of a print that would narrow anteriorly and bow more posteriorly. Looking at the feet of the Camarasaur in the statue, the proportions of the appendicular skeleton are accurate. The way in which the metacarpals are placed on the forelimbs should lend themselves to a columnar shape and greatly reduced digits. The hind limbs also have the distinctive shapes of vertical columns, though the digits should be more pronounced; looking at the different angled shots in the diorama now up on the SS website, that discrepancy between forelimb and hindlimb can be readily seen and is accurate to what we know for Camarasaurus species. Any other questions feel free to send them along."
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Oops, nevermind.
Oddly, I did find this useful illustration right here on the SS forum.
Scar
Super Freak
Those manus to pes comparison shots do illustrate the point well. Thanks for exhuming those, Dan!
With that in mind, I'm at a loss as to why anyone is bemoaning what Jorge sculpted to be paleontologically accurate.
With that in mind, I'm at a loss as to why anyone is bemoaning what Jorge sculpted to be paleontologically accurate.
Blade-of-the-Moon
Super Freak
Thanks Scar ! Really I can't tell much from looking at the feet of the piece myself..the images are just too small even on my screen...but it's nice knowing it's accurate..you both can tell I've been really..what's a good word..stressed ? maybe ?.. over this piece..heh heh
It also doesn't hurt to 1up Cordy eh Dan ?
It also doesn't hurt to 1up Cordy eh Dan ?
Dyscrasia
Super Freak
Our lab did a series a field work and research on dinosaur tracks and trackways (with collaboration with Dr. Lockley) since the mid 90's and the Camarasaurus foot doesn't seem much of a problem even though I'm not on the level of deducing the accuracy of sauropod foot structure.
On the other hand, I was notified that my Styrac maquette will be sent tomorrow (which I should have received in early December last year but some other guy got it) and the Deinosuchus VS Parasaurolophus dio will start shipping from China and Hong Kong somewhere between late jan~early feb. I wonder when they'll reach SS HQ and worldwide retailers though...
On the other hand, I was notified that my Styrac maquette will be sent tomorrow (which I should have received in early December last year but some other guy got it) and the Deinosuchus VS Parasaurolophus dio will start shipping from China and Hong Kong somewhere between late jan~early feb. I wonder when they'll reach SS HQ and worldwide retailers though...
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dansdinosaurs
Super Freak
The Battat Diplodocus is sometimes used as to demonstrate the disparity... let me see if there's a good shot of it somewhere.
Looking closely at the Sideshow Cam, it does seem that elevated manus is more rounded than semi-circular as it should be. Here's a high-res shot that only us lucky retailers get access to.
Looking closely at the Sideshow Cam, it does seem that elevated manus is more rounded than semi-circular as it should be. Here's a high-res shot that only us lucky retailers get access to.
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Atheris
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Scar
Super Freak
Thanks Scar ! Really I can't tell much from looking at the feet of the piece myself..the images are just too small even on my screen...but it's nice knowing it's accurate..you both can tell I've been really..what's a good word..stressed ? maybe ?.. over this piece..heh heh
It also doesn't hurt to 1up Cordy eh Dan ?
It's our first Dinosauria Allosaurus piece. You have had a right to be stressed. I know I was right up until the pre-order went up. And I probably will be until it arrives and is assembled on my shelf.
The Battat Diplodocus is sometimes used as to demonstrate the disparity... let me see if there's a good shot of it somewhere.
Looking closely at the Sideshow Cam, it does seem that elevated manus is more rounded than semi-circular as it should be. Here's a high-res shot that only us lucky retailers get access to.
I still don't notice any real difference from that angle, but you also have to keep in mind the positioning of the foot. Even the human foot when lifting upward from the ground looks quite different than when it is moving downward to be planted firmly. Across plantigrade, digitigrade, and unguligrade organisms we see not only greatly variant bone structure but feet which are capable of being placed at any number of angles so as to appear wholly different from one characteristic pose to another. That and there are subtle differences in sauropod feet by which I would always be reticent to say "this feature is always the case throughout sauropods". There's even subtle variation between the feet of large theropods which, at a glance, may seem identical to most individuals. The feet of the Camarasaur, including the manus in question, do appear accurate.
Scar
Super Freak
If you purchase any of the Sideshow Original products regularly you would probably have received such a coupon. I have another one in an e-mail somewhere which I'll save for the next piece.
dansdinosaurs
Super Freak
Meh. Maybe I'd feel more convinced if I saw the foot in person. Not that it matters, as I don't plan on getting this piece for myself.
Sideshow's product page for this item suggests an ETA of Q2 2010. The Retailer listing however, says Q3 2010. Has anyone seen a similar discrepancy elsewhere? I'll be asking my SS rep about it tomorrow.
Sideshow's product page for this item suggests an ETA of Q2 2010. The Retailer listing however, says Q3 2010. Has anyone seen a similar discrepancy elsewhere? I'll be asking my SS rep about it tomorrow.
Wow, I just remembered that I had a coupon floating around! Went and cancelled my ex. order to re-order and apply the discount, but they reckon the coupon isn't credited to my account? But it's they same account I've always been using! And their contact form isn't working!
Atheris
Super Freak
If you purchase any of the Sideshow Original products regularly you would probably have received such a coupon. I have another one in an e-mail somewhere which I'll save for the next piece.
What the......Im getting jipped here....I've got every Dino piece SS has made. I've never got a coupon for anything?
I check every email SS sends me thoroughly...I guess Im calling them tomorrow
Chris
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