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couldn't have said it better myself...
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couldn't have said it better myself...
I can't belive how long some you can continue to ^^^^^ about the same things OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER
Prototypes are just that Prototypes, they are one off pieces. The fact that some of you believe what you see in a prototype will be exactly what you will get in production, you may want to find a new hobby or only buy custom items because its not going to happen. There are ALWAYS going to be changes in costumes , and paint. Prototypes aren't made with production in mind so when it comes time to production changes will be made for either ease in manufacturing, cost, etc.. Guess what Sideshow is here to make money and if the cloth in prototype is to costly for a figure it not going to happen.
Prototypes are just that Prototypes, they are one off pieces. The fact that some of you believe what you see in a prototype will be exactly what you will get in production, you may want to find a new hobby or only buy custom items because its not going to happen. There are ALWAYS going to be changes in costumes , and paint. Prototypes aren't made with production in mind so when it comes time to production changes will be made for either ease in manufacturing, cost, etc.. Guess what Sideshow is here to make money and if the cloth in prototype is to costly for a figure it not going to happen.
icruise
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But why aren't they? A prototype, by definition, is something that serves as a model for future production. It doesn't make sense to me that you would create a prototype with no regard for how easy or difficult it might be to actually achieve the paint job or costume that you use. And I know this is sounding like a broken record, but companies like Hot Toys and Medicom seem to be able to go from prototype to production without huge changes most of the time. It's not impossible.
Maybe other companies are using prototypes and instead pre-production samples. Also when the majority of these items cost 30% to 50% more then the Sideshow items you have a lot more profit margin to work with to achieve the the same as the previewed item.
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I guess one thing Sideshow could say is that when a prototype is presented, they should have a bold disclaimer stating that the materials used in the prototype may not reflect the final product. At least it would be a firmly stated "buyer beware" instead of the implied one that a "prototype" represents.
All of this could be another installment of the "Chicken Little" saga in here (hey, I've played too
)...this "fabric" instance is reminding me of when the prototype for Mace Windu was presented...the fabric on his outer tunic was a dark, course, woven variety that when first seen, looked really good.
When the production figure arrived, that proto-fabric had been replaced with a lighter, less-course looking fabric that sparked an outrage around here. Once that figure was in hand though, two things became apparent that no photo could convey effectively....one, the color choice was more "movie-accurate" and two, the less-course fabric actually worked better for a sixth-scale figure than the proto selection did. The prod fabric has just enough subtle pilling in it to give it the right amount of course texture for the scale and the end result was a production version of Mace that looks fantastic...
Will it be the same story with Luke? Well, he'll start showing up on some freak's hands pretty soon and then the real debate can begin. As for me, the recent arrival of ANH Solo is my umpteenth lesson that these figures ALWAYS look much better sitting in front of you than blown up on a computer screen or photographed in the many different styles that folks present here...
Let's be patient and we'll see soon enough...
All of this could be another installment of the "Chicken Little" saga in here (hey, I've played too
)...this "fabric" instance is reminding me of when the prototype for Mace Windu was presented...the fabric on his outer tunic was a dark, course, woven variety that when first seen, looked really good.When the production figure arrived, that proto-fabric had been replaced with a lighter, less-course looking fabric that sparked an outrage around here. Once that figure was in hand though, two things became apparent that no photo could convey effectively....one, the color choice was more "movie-accurate" and two, the less-course fabric actually worked better for a sixth-scale figure than the proto selection did. The prod fabric has just enough subtle pilling in it to give it the right amount of course texture for the scale and the end result was a production version of Mace that looks fantastic...
Will it be the same story with Luke? Well, he'll start showing up on some freak's hands pretty soon and then the real debate can begin. As for me, the recent arrival of ANH Solo is my umpteenth lesson that these figures ALWAYS look much better sitting in front of you than blown up on a computer screen or photographed in the many different styles that folks present here...
Let's be patient and we'll see soon enough...
Let's be patient and we'll see soon enough...
Patience? I think thats a rare thing with Star Wars fans in general.
DarkArtist81
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Patience? I think thats a rare thing with Star Wars fans in general.
Yeah... sad but true... You would think they would listen to Obi-Wan but nooo.
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Point taken. sir.
But some of us older fans have learned that patience is'nt such a bad thing...saves a lot of frustration in the long run.
I think this figure will be fine....next to Vader, he's the "flagship" of the line. With all of the great figures we've gotten so far, I can't believe SS would drop the ball on this one.
But some of us older fans have learned that patience is'nt such a bad thing...saves a lot of frustration in the long run.
I think this figure will be fine....next to Vader, he's the "flagship" of the line. With all of the great figures we've gotten so far, I can't believe SS would drop the ball on this one.
Yeah... sad but true... You would think they would listen to Obi-Wan but nooo.
One would think.
Point taken. sir.
But some of us older fans have learned that patience is'nt such a bad thing...saves a lot of frustration in the long run.
I think this figure will be fine....next to Vader, he's the "flagship" of the line. With all of the great figures we've gotten so far, I can't believe SS would drop the ball on this one.
It does. Something I've learned as I get older. I agree he'll be fine.
EVILFACE
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Cause these figures are not cheap. You want to make sure you are getting what you are paying for. And switching from a fabric that was dead on to something that with a completely different weave and is a different color, sucks. If the fabric was available to use for the proto, then it must be available for production. If not, make the proto from material that will be available.
That or some told SS they could save 50 cents on each figure going with this canvas material, which is more likely.
Lord Aykroyd
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This isn't true
Just read / watch some of the behind the scenes stuff - King of Darkness comes in mind...
EVILFACE
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Never know. They might not be able to replicate Indy's pleather and we end up with a plastic or cloth jacket instead.
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It does suck. I don't think anyone here will deny that at all. However, knowing the SS folks as well as I do and I'm sure Dave can attest knowing them better than I do they want things to be perfect. They love this stuff as much as we do and I'm sure they tried as hard as they could to find the same material over in china. I honestly believe they'd rather us get the product from the proto then save 50 cents.
Yeah but guess what they are hear to first MAKE MONEY and second to please us. I never at any point said that the material used in prototype was not available for production.
Lets be realistic, you are told to make a costume that matches this, you are going to find the best match you can and that's what they do for a prototype. Then once it goes to production they try to find the best match they can to the prototype within a set budget and will be durable enough for what it will be used for.
I am not saying I am happy that it was changed but why must the same people say it over and over was my point. We all know it changed and all the ^^^^^ing in the world is not going to change it at this point.
The only real option is never show us the prototype and only show pre-production samples. Then its what you see is what you get but then there will be a every short window between pre-order and shipping.
The Craw
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yup. the sky never stops falling around here.
It just isn't fair. Oh Biggs is right, we're never going to get a figure we all like.
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