Animal Cruelty

[Jen]

If the mushroom was trapped in a burning building ... would you send a child-accompanied Firehound in after it?

SnakeDoc

I do think we would have a hard time finding fire fighters to go into a burning building to rescue someone's fungi collection....but a pet..I bet they would if they could get in and out of there safely.

 

[Hulksmashed]

Well for one this thread is about ANIMAL abuse not the abuse of fungi or plants or bacteria.

I was walking in the park the other day and stepped on a mushroom that was partially covered by dirt and twigs. Would that be considered abuse?

Quite nasty to a person that just agreed with you....

The point WAS, who are we to decide what type of life is important? Animal Cruelty is Cruelty short and simple. It's just as cruel if you disembowl a cat for fun, or a human being for fun.

 

[VASith]

You said "all living things" which implies, Animals (humans are STILL just animals), plants, bacteria, and fungi.

Ok, now my opinion: While I would put the life of most humans above that of an animal, anyone that can do those sort of things to an animal is capable of anything. Michael Vick...sure he only tortured dogs..but if he is capable of that, I 100% assure you that it wouldnt take much to push him into harming or killing a human being.

Tortured as well as killed them with his own bare hands.

 

[fosing]

yeah in the end its not the meat that tastes good what you are enjoying are the sauces and seasoning that make it such. the dog is a natural meat eater so giving it to him raw with no flavors is like eating a crisp delicious apple for us. dogs also have shorter digestive tracts so they can defecate the rotting meat quickly how come humans havent evolved to that too and you can still smell the meat weeks later when you have a bowel movement?

also babies smell more when they drink animal milk instead of soy/almond/rice milk

bill the butcher disagrees with you on that one.

 

[Jen]

If it's a mgic mushroom, you bet. That's money lost.......

Good point!

 

[SnakeDoctor]

the peoples lose their teeth because they abuse them with sugars, diet soft drinks and tobacco chews. if these werent around the teeth would last a lifetime like the fossils.

Yeah .... I've heard George Washington was big on diet soft drinks.

Teeth lasted a lifetime when lifetimes were shorter.

SnakeDoc

 

[VASith]

yeah but if meat is so good for us how come we can't eat it directly raw, causes health problems and stays stuck putrefying the digestive parts longer than vegetables fruits and nuts?

Because over generations our bodies have become used to eating cooked food. We have lost the bacteria that we once had that helped break down raw meat. There is no doubt in the scientific community that raw food is better for you. Grilling foods creates carcinogens.

 

[Hulksmashed]

the peoples lose their teeth because they abuse them with sugars, diet soft drinks and tobacco chews. if these werent around the teeth would last a lifetime like the fossils.

but speaking of the teeth so how come most of them are flat and not all sharp to be able to shred and rip apart meat like the tigers and bears. so cooking does two things it makes the meat softer so we can bite and makes it cooked not raw so we can digest but is it natural?

1. Lots of people lose teethin accidents...but it was a metaphor....

2. Because we are OMNIVORES. We need gridning teeth for plants and canines for ripping and tearing...9th grade biology.

3. We cook PLANTS too, don't we? Ever poop out whole corn kernals? I bet you have! That's cause our body has an issue digesting the outer casing of corn! Cooking it breaks down SOME protiens and allows us to digest it to a larger degree. Perhaps you should add corn to your list of unatural foods?

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Yeah .... I've heard George Washington was big on diet soft drinks.

SnakeDoc

Have you had Diet Cherry Dr. Pepper that's some good stuff right there and George drank that ____ all the time.

 

[VASith]

What is your point? I would do that if it was a good quality meat. Some people enjoy the taste of chicken/fish/beef/pork without seasonings.

Raw beef is actually quite delicious with just a touch of salt. Of course you have to be careful where you are getting your beef from. Carpaccio is really delicious.

 

[Jen]

Quite nasty to a person that just agreed with you....

The point WAS, who are we to decide what type of life is important? Animal Cruelty is Cruelty short and simple. It's just as cruel if you disembowl a cat for fun, or a human being for fun.

Exactly animal cruelty - or human cruelty. But I think the argument becomes a lot more difficult if you are going to lump bacteria and fungi in the same category. They may be in the same kingdom as animals but they are greatly different in my opinion. Now I agree that we are destroying our environment and in the process hurting ALL LIVING THINGS by our toxic wastes - but that is an argument for another thread.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

can we get back to the topic at hand and talk about abusing kids?

 

[JosephCPR]

Well, that's an entirely different question, not relating to the intrinsic value of a life, but the value of a life as it relates to the continued existence of another, more intrinsically valuable life-form.
Food from lesser animals is also valuable of course, but that isn't related to the intrinsic value of those animals.

But don't you agree that LIFE is valuable no matter what it relates to.

Do you really think there are more valuable forms of life than others?. I think that is a quite dangerous thought because if we all shared that opinion the human race would be doomed to dissapear.

(insert joke )


The fact is that we need other forms of life to survive in this world, but those forms (animals, plants, etc) don't really need us at all. Far On the contrary.

Just for this, we should have more respect for everything that surrounds us.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

Have you had Diet Cherry Dr. Pepper that's some good stuff right there and George drank that ____ all the time.

My wife drinks that occasionally. She's more into artsy-fartsy soft drinks than I am.

I'm old school ... fully-corn-syruped, fully-caffenated, no-bloody-cherry/vanilla Coke. Just Coke. From a can. Good stuff.

SnakeDoc

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

My wife drinks that occasionally. She's more into artsy-fartsy soft drinks than I am.

I'm old school ... fully-corn-syruped, fully-caffenated, no-bloody-cherry/vanilla Coke. Just Coke. From a can. Good stuff.

SnakeDoc

I made myself jump over to diet when I went on a diet, unfortunately soda makes you gain weight fast.

 

[Hulksmashed]

Exactly animal cruelty - or human cruelty. But I think the argument becomes a lot more difficult if you are going to lump bacteria and fungi in the same category. They may be in the same kingdom as animals but they are greatly different in my opinion. Now I agree that we are destroying our environment and in the process hurting ALL LIVING THINGS by our toxic wastes - but that is an argument for another thread.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but they are in fact seperate kingdoms. Which means you are correct, they are a very different kind of life form. I wasnt actually implying that cruelty to a mushroom is abuse. My implication is that saying "you have to value all living things equally" is incorrect. Even if the implication is clear, that blanket statement is a bit naive.

Its just a pet peeve of mine, because it makes the assumption that life is defined as the lives that we value...if that makes any sense.

 

[VASith]

the same thing with NFL I can't patronize a product that not only gives a dog fighter second chance but treats him like some model citizen now because he plays good.

The guy was a scumbag at Tech (from what i heard from friends who went there), guy was a scumbag with his first stint in the NLF. Don't see him changing too much. He'll most likely always be scum.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

Do you really think there are more valuable forms of life than others?

Yes.

The fact is that we need other forms of life to survive in this world, but those forms (animals, plants, etc) don't really need us at all. On the contrary.

That's not really a one-to-one comparison. We can't live without other forms of life, and neither can animals. We can live without other individual species (like elephants, for instance), and animals can as well (like us, for instance). We just also happen to be on the top of the food chain, so some species would thrive without us in the same way antelopes would thrive without lions.

SnakeDoc

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

He'll always be scum in my eyes and I'm glad the team I like didn't take him.

 

[Hulksmashed]

the same thing with NFL I can't patronize a product that not only gives a dog fighter second chance but treats him like some model citizen now because he plays good.

On that I will agree with you. Saw a news report here in Philly a couple nights ago that said "Micheal Vick, from villian to Hero". Made me sick. All is forgiven cause a bunch of sports fans like how he throws a "PIG SKIN".

"Look everyone...Hitler can throw that football real good like! You know...now that I think about it...a couple million Jews....well is it really THAT big a deal?"