Animal Cruelty

[Jen]

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but they are in fact seperate kingdoms. Which means you are correct, they are a very different kind of life form. I wasnt actually implying that cruelty to a mushroom is abuse. My implication is that saying "you have to value all living things equally" is incorrect. Even if the implication is clear, that blanket statement is a bit naive.

Its just a pet peeve of mine, because it makes the assumption that life is defined as the lives that we value...if that makes any sense.

Point taken. I think we agree that we should respect all living things - and that includes our environment. Humans have a tendency to destroy, affecting all those around us. For example deforestation that is destroying the habitats of many animals/plants that as a result is killing them off.

It just caught me off guard - your post about these other life forms when we were talking about animal abuse.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

On that I will agree with you. Saw a news report here in Philly a couple nights ago that said "Micheal Vick, from villian to Hero". Made me sick. All is forgiven cause a bunch of sports fans like how he throws a "PIG SKIN".

"Look everyone...Hitler can throw that football real good like! You know...now that I think about it...a couple million Jews....well is it really THAT big a deal?"

Jewish people might object to having Michael Vick's two-bit dog-fighting ring equated with the systematic extermination of their race by Adolf Hitler.

SnakeDoc

 

[quiggle]

dont mean to throw this off topic but what about milk. is it odd humans drink cow, goat other milk from different species? how would you feel if your mums bottled their breast milk after you were born to feed to hippos and wolves?

and would you eat the pizza if it wasnt mozzarela but had your aunt's tata milk in it?

 

[Jen]

yeah in the end its not the meat that tastes good what you are enjoying are the sauces and seasoning that make it such. the dog is a natural meat eater so giving it to him raw with no flavors is like eating a crisp delicious apple for us. dogs also have shorter digestive tracts so they can defecate the rotting meat quickly how come humans havent evolved to that too and you can still smell the meat weeks later when you have a bowel movement?

also babies smell more when they drink animal milk instead of soy/almond/rice milk

It has been studied that the best alternative to breast milk is actually goat milk. Rice/soy milk is good for babies if it is fortified with nutrients, such as B-12. If a baby is super stinky due to cow milk - could be that they are allergic or sensitive to it.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Jewish people might object to having Michael Vick's two-bit dog-fighting ring equated with the systematic extermination of their race by Adolf Hitler.

SnakeDoc

Probably but I think the point being made is rather acurate of our society

 

[quiggle]

yeah the thing about Michael Vick is that he is hailed great now because he is generating money for society. you know humans know no past pain loyalty or righteous causes when it comes to making money, backstab your best friend for some. it was supposed to be the same for OJ Simpson after they released him from murder but it didnt work out like they were hoping. well, except for Kardashian.

 

[Jen]

dont mean to throw this off topic but what about milk. is it odd humans drink cow, goat other milk from different species? how would you feel if your mums bottled their breast milk after you were born to feed to hippos and wolves?

and would you eat the pizza if it wasnt mozzarela but had your aunt's tata milk in it?

Now you are just being silly. If my mom wanted to bottle her breast milk to give to a baby hippo or wolf that was abandoned by their mothers - then I really wouldn't care. Good for her for helping out an animal in need - if human breast milk was something that was beneficial to them...which I have no idea.

And I wouldn't eat my aunt's tata milk products because she is a crappy, unhealthy eater.

 

[karamazov80]

Do you really think there are more valuable forms of life than others?.

Yes. A life that can experience the things we can experience is more valuable than a life that can't. Losing a human being is more tragic than losing a squirrel. Having said that, in a broader, cosmic view, all life is probably equally insignificant and worthless

It all depends on your perspective.

 

[SnakeDoctor]

Probably but I think the point being made is rather acurate of our society

Maybe so. But, it demonstrates very well that equating animals and humans devalues human life. If twice as many dogs had been killed in Vick's dogfighting ring as Jews were killed in the Holocaust, we're still not talking about crimes that are even close to equivalent.

SnakeDoc

 

[quiggle]

I used to like to eat liver then this guy who does dumpster diving said to me that if the liver one of its main jobs is to detoxify poisons and bad stuffs entering the body, why am I eating something that had all these yuckies go through it?

 

[VASith]

Maybe so. But, it demonstrates very well that equating animals and humans devalues human life. If twice as many dogs had been killed in Vick's dogfighting ring as Jews were killed in the Holocaust, we're still not talking about crimes that are even close to equivalent.

SnakeDoc

True..but it doesnt make murdering dozens of dogs any less important, trivial or disgusting.

 

[fosing]

I used to like to eat liver then this guy who does dumpster diving said to me that if the liver one of its main jobs is to detoxify poisons and bad stuffs entering the body, why am I eating something that had all these yuckies go through it?

because its delicious?

 

[quiggle]

yeah but how about when youve gotten food poisoning can you say it was more from vegetable/fruit than meat meals?

 

[SnakeDoctor]

True..but it doesnt make murdering dozens of dogs any less important, trivial or disgusting.

Agreed. Needlessly torturing and killing dogs (I don't think you can "murder" a dog) remains disgusting and criminal. It isn't trivial ... though I likely wouldn't regard it as quite as unforgivable as some here might. His (somewhat light) sentence was served, and hopefully he's learned his lesson.

It also remains less disgusting, less important, and FAR more trivial than the Holocaust. I'd avoid comparing the two. The Holocaust remains a very sensitive subject to a great many people.

SnakeDoc

 

[fosing]

yeah but how about when youve gotten food poisoning can you say it was more from vegetable/fruit than meat meals?

veggies with insecticides and growth enhancers. it happens.

 

[quiggle]

the worstest sons of _____es are those who declaw their cats. go remove your fingernails first and see how it feels

 

[Darth Cruel]

Another animal cruelty thread? I really don't feel that the issue warrants all this anger. Maybe it is worth some passing distaste. By I have to wonder if people who are more angered by cruelty to animals than they are cruelty to people who can not defend themselves have their priorities straight.

 

[quiggle]

talking about priorities, here, read this article

https://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/miscarriage_horror_at_bx_school_6ExDWRb7UeeXnPswVkMooJ

 

[hoodonit00]

I agree that its disgusting ... but "the lowest you can go"? Lower than torturing people? Child molestation? Child abuse? Wife beating? Torturing babies? Rape? Murder? Cannibalism? Genocide? Is Michael Vick really worse than Ray Carouth (the NFL player that murdered his pregnant girlfriend, if I recall correctly)?

I'm not even sure it makes the top ten of "lowest you can go".

SnakeDoc

I understand people feelings they have for their pets, I really do. But I can't understand or agree with how blurred the line is with some people about animals versus people. I understand animal cruelty is horrible, but IMHO not comparable to some of the heinous acts commited on other human beings. Long, long time ago I dated a girl who loved her cat. We got in an argument one time about how if her cat accidently got out and was getting ready to be hit, she would rather the driver swerve and die then hit her cat. We broke up soon after. Just in my opinion no animal is equal to any (normal) human.

 

[DiFabio]

Seeing animal cruelty/abuse (mainly cats and dogs) bothers me more than harm done to humans.

May seem strange, but that's the truth. Skinning puppies and kittens, beating, butchering and mutilating them? No thanks.

Of course if a scenario presented itself where I'd have to save my family or our dog/cats, I'd pick my family but that doesn't mean I wouldn't feel heartbroken afterwards.

I'm no tree hugger, but I can't watch people beating/maiming defenseless animals. At least humans can defend themselves for the most part.