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There is nothing special about meat as far as people believing it tastes good because theyve always eaten it.

So if you ate ???? since birth, you would think it tastes good? Or should we also be assuming that you are one of the chosen few who is immune to 'conditioning'?

I didn't like steak as a child. Or pork. Or fish. I know now that I rarely had steak or pork cooked properly (usually overcooked and dry), and now fish is my favorite meat because I've discovered that if no one puts lemon juice or breadcrumbs on it, it tastes much better.

The psychological concepts you're working with are offensively deterministic. We all have free will here, thanks. But more than being an insult, determinism is self-contradictory, and that fact renders false any premise based on it.

Basically the reason why you like a steak is because you were conditioned to. A lot of people after they turn vegetarian, after they have broken through their conditioning, feel sick at the smell of cooking meat. That should tell you something. If they hadn't been conditioned to like meat at first, they wouldn't have ever liked it.

Or if they hadn't been conditioned to dislike it, they would never have come to dislike it.

So basically the reason you like vegetables is because you were conditioned to. That should tell you something.
 
So if you ate ???? since birth, you would think it tastes good? Or should we also be assuming that you are one of the chosen few who is immune to 'conditioning'?

I didn't like steak as a child. Or pork. Or fish. I know now that I rarely had steak or pork cooked properly (usually overcooked and dry), and now fish is my favorite meat because I've discovered that if no one puts lemon juice or breadcrumbs on it, it tastes much better.

The psychological concepts you're working with are offensively deterministic. We all have free will here, thanks. But more than being an insult, determinism is self-contradictory, and that fact renders false any premise based on it.



Or if they hadn't been conditioned to dislike it, they would never have come to dislike it.

So basically the reason you like vegetables is because you were conditioned to. That should tell you something.

Well the question is, how do you know that something is what you really like, and how do you know if something is conditioned?
Anything you really like must be healthy, because that allows you to live or exist, which allows you to like something. If something is self destructive or unhealthy, it short circuits your ability to like that thing, because it contradicts your ability to like that thing, by conflicting with your ability to live.
Therefore, it is only possible to truly like the things that are truly healthy, and any perceived joy from practicing what is unhealthy, must logically be an illusion. Any liking you have for anything unhealthy therefore, MUST have been conditioned, regardless of what it is or how "good" you feel it is or tastes. The inherent effects that something has on your reveals its true character, and the real sensations it causes. Logically, that is the conclusion that you must draw.
So, the liking of alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, and fried foods, must be the result of conditioning, which is either done by you or someone else, perhaps done when you were so young that you don't even recall it happening, or you feeling any other way.
So, you research the intrinsic effects of the things you eat, and then you know if those things are the things you truly like or not. That is a logical assessment of whether any liking of yours has been in fact conditioned into you, or it is your true liking.
 
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Well the question is, how do you know that something is what you really like, and how do you know if something is conditioned?

Just ask Eli how he figured out that he loved men. Once we solve that puzzle the mystery of conditioning will be unlocked. :lecture
 
Well the question is, how do you know that something is what you really like, and how do you know if something is conditioned?
Anything you really like must be healthy, because that allows you to live or exist, which allows you to like something. If something is self destructive or unhealthy, it short circuits your ability to like that thing, because it contradicts your ability to like that thing, by conflicting with your ability to live.
Therefore, it is only possible to truly like the things that are truly healthy, and any perceived joy from practicing what is unhealthy, must logically be an illusion. Any liking you have for anything unhealthy therefore, MUST have been conditioned, regardless of what it is or how "good" you feel it is or tastes. The inherent effects that something has on your reveals its true character, and the real sensations it causes. Logically, that is the conclusion that you must draw.
So, the liking of alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, and fried foods, must be the result of conditioning, which is either done by you or someone else, perhaps done when you were so young that you don't even recall it happening, or you feeling any other way.
So, you research the intrinsic effects of the things you eat, and then you know if those things are the things you truly like or not. That is a logical assessment of whether any liking of yours has been in fact conditioned into you, or it is your true liking.
Did you ever here of the term "jumping the shark"? Your post, they just did it. In fact Spock, I think your post are getting more "illogical" as we go.

People aren't conditioned to like a candy bar, an ice cream cone, a potato chip. We like them because they are damn tasty.

Most responsible parents try to "condition" their kids to like vegetables, some, if not a lot fail. It's not because they have a chemical taste to them or pesticides are used. It's because those who don't like them think they taste "icky". Good rule of thumb here. Sometimes the easiest answer is the correct one.

The term "conditioning" that you keep bringing up is laughable. I smoked from the time I was 18 till about 35. Are you saying my parents would give me a little toke when I was an infant in the hopes that I would get hooked later on it life. Or is it the much more obvious answer that I wanted to try it, liked it so much that if I wasn't scared so much of lung cancer I would still be doing it today. God how I miss smoking.

Same thing with beer. I love me a good beer now, in fact the older I get, the more I like it. Didn't care so much when I was younger though. My parents didn't condition me to like beer did they?

You're making this much to hard. We get it, you like vegetables very much. But you're not going to get myself, and apparently others in this thread to believe that some vegetable product that has been pureed, steamed, roasted or however you choose to prepare it is going to taste as good as a juicy steak cooked on a grill. Aint gonna happen. You even suggested that I some how "lack the intelligence" to make a vegetarian dish taste as good as a meat dish. It's not a lack of intelligence to know what your body likes is it?
 
I think you started out in this thread meaning well and seemed very well versed. The more you post though, the more crazy your post are getting. I guess 10s of Millions of parents are incompetent according to you. I had more to say but deleted it as it's not worth the hassle. Enjoy your vegetarian lifestyle and I will enjoy being an omnivore.

So I only like a steak because I was conditioned to like a steak?
My wife and I are incompetent parents because we let my kid crap in a diaper?

Of all the elitist, condescending garbage.

I agree that you started out meaning well on here and had alot of good points. But yeah, your posts are now getting a bit crazy. That diaper post is hippie. To say that is saying alot of people are incompetent. Let us know when you're perfect and flawless. The tiny bit of fun this thread had is dead. FAIL.

:lecture :lecture :lecture Each comment QFT.

Blackthornone began to fail when he attempted to explain humor. EPIC FAIL.

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If i couldn't eat meats and all the stuff that's meant to be bad for you i'm not sure i'd want to live. :lol ;)
 
Did you ever here of the term "jumping the shark"? Your post, they just did it. In fact Spock, I think your post are getting more "illogical" as we go.

People aren't conditioned to like a candy bar, an ice cream cone, a potato chip. We like them because they are damn tasty.

Most responsible parents try to "condition" their kids to like vegetables, some, if not a lot fail. It's not because they have a chemical taste to them or pesticides are used. It's because those who don't like them think they taste "icky". Good rule of thumb here. Sometimes the easiest answer is the correct one.

The term "conditioning" that you keep bringing up is laughable. I smoked from the time I was 18 till about 35. Are you saying my parents would give me a little toke when I was an infant in the hopes that I would get hooked later on it life. Or is it the much more obvious answer that I wanted to try it, liked it so much that if I wasn't scared so much of lung cancer I would still be doing it today. God how I miss smoking.

Same thing with beer. I love me a good beer now, in fact the older I get, the more I like it. Didn't care so much when I was younger though. My parents didn't condition me to like beer did they?

You're making this much to hard. We get it, you like vegetables very much. But you're not going to get myself, and apparently others in this thread to believe that some vegetable product that has been pureed, steamed, roasted or however you choose to prepare it is going to taste as good as a juicy steak cooked on a grill. Aint gonna happen. You even suggested that I some how "lack the intelligence" to make a vegetarian dish taste as good as a meat dish. It's not a lack of intelligence to know what your body likes is it?

All of that has nothing to do with what I wrote in my last post.
By the way, I always hated cigarette smoke, AND beer. They both taste horrible. Fine wine is not so bad tasting, but I realized that when I drank 180 proof ouzu that when it tasted and felt like poison in my body, that logically, all other alcoholic beverages were also poisonous, and so it was unwise to drink any alcohol.

You interpret the tastes your body tastes with your mind, NOT your body. Your body doesn't know what tastes good. Only your mind, really.

I also said that if someone really liked the taste of meat, despite what it represents is death, that if they wanted something that tasted like meat, they could make a substitute if they had the creativity to do so, because meat is made up of the same stuff in vegetables, because it is made FROM vegetables, by the animal. Don't tell me you don't think you can make a more delicious dish than a COW can. To me, that's just embarrassing.

Some tastes are appealing, which are basic tastes that various things have, like sweet, salty, tangy, bitter, astringent, and fatty. Meat has some of them, but so do plants. It seems to me that there is no reason why an even better combination of tastes couldn't be come up with just plants.
Again, you avoided what I brought up in my last post entirely, about how the liking of various things is subconsciously motivated, by by influences we haven't even identified.


By the way, I'm not denying the tastes that meat or beef has. It has the salty sweet tangy salty taste that is very appealing to people, and so is.addictive to people. I'm saying the exact taste of meat is horrible, because of what it is, which is a mucus, snotty, slimy, urine feces infested muck that I don't want in my body. It is death and cow-ness, and I don't want death OR cow-ness in my body. The idea of cow-ness inside my body disgusts me. I don't care if it's the best tasting stuff on Earth. I Still wouldn't eat it. I don't care if it was 100 times better tasting than the best vegan dish, or even one million times better tasting. The fact that it is slimy, snotty, urine soaked, feces filled dead cow-ness causes me to find the stuff too disgusting to put in my body. Of course, when you add to that all the diseases it causes when you eat it, there is no way I am ever eating that crap again.
 
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Again, you avoided what I brought up in my last post entirely, about how the liking of various things is subconsciously motivated, by by influences we haven't even identified.

We know it's there, we just haven't identified it (or really defined what IT is) and our subconcious hasn't caught on to what we know to be true ....

It is now the food circle and not a pyramid.
 
By the way, I'm not denying the tastes that meat or beef has. It has the salty sweet tangy salty taste that is very appealing to people, and so is.addictive to people. I'm saying the exact taste of meat is horrible, because of what it is, which is a mucus, snotty, slimy, urine feces infested muck that I don't want in my body.

Hmmmmm......so I guess you don't go down on your lady friends. :dunno
 
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