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So, I've been thinking about this a bit, as such here comes some thoughts. Anyone not up for some discussion, turn away now.
Over-saturation, it could depend on ones point of view. Sure SS has been a little slow of late, but I don't think that negates the potential for over saturation of the total market. Given that LOTR has now been out for sometime, would it be fair to say that most likely collectors would already have a reasonable collection, especially of the main characters?
Even if you put aside the total that SSW made, and just consider Aragorn, they made 3 statues and a bust. Add in SS and you have a PF, 2 dio's, a LSB, the 12" figure and now a maquette. In addition none of that includes any Aragorn's made by any other company.
Now, if all you collect is just LOTR and you have plenty of space, then it may not be a problem. But if, I suspect, like many of us, we collect choice items from various lines, then couldn't a new line from SS, that mostly just deals with the same main characters, be considered a bit of over-saturation?
So while we may like to see SS increase production on LOTR items, wouldn't most of us really only be interested in very specific releases, making the new maquette line a bit of overkill.
Unless of course SS are thinking that based on the old SSW days, 1/6th scale polystone statues are the most popular and that they can find enough new collectors to sell out a new line. Assuming that they aren't also interested in all the other new stuff, I mean it's not a lot of items gets cancelled now days or come back up in-stock..... hmmmmm.
So, I've been thinking about this a bit, as such here comes some thoughts. Anyone not up for some discussion, turn away now.
Over-saturation, it could depend on ones point of view. Sure SS has been a little slow of late, but I don't think that negates the potential for over saturation of the total market. Given that LOTR has now been out for sometime, would it be fair to say that most likely collectors would already have a reasonable collection, especially of the main characters?
Even if you put aside the total that SSW made, and just consider Aragorn, they made 3 statues and a bust. Add in SS and you have a PF, 2 dio's, a LSB, the 12" figure and now a maquette. In addition none of that includes any Aragorn's made by any other company.
Now, if all you collect is just LOTR and you have plenty of space, then it may not be a problem. But if, I suspect, like many of us, we collect choice items from various lines, then couldn't a new line from SS, that mostly just deals with the same main characters, be considered a bit of over-saturation?
So while we may like to see SS increase production on LOTR items, wouldn't most of us really only be interested in very specific releases, making the new maquette line a bit of overkill.
Unless of course SS are thinking that based on the old SSW days, 1/6th scale polystone statues are the most popular and that they can find enough new collectors to sell out a new line. Assuming that they aren't also interested in all the other new stuff, I mean it's not a lot of items gets cancelled now days or come back up in-stock..... hmmmmm.
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Agreed, the actual releases might be few and far between but it is definately a case of too much of certain characters. When you only have precious little coming from LOTR, yet another Aragorn or Gandalf seems like oversaturation in a line that is becoming increasingly thin.
Agreed, the actual releases might be few and far between but it is definately a case of too much of certain characters. When you only have precious little coming from LOTR, yet another Aragorn or Gandalf seems like oversaturation in a line that is becoming increasingly thin.
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Every line has Aragorn and Gandalf just like every line in SW has Luke and Vader. You have to have them in each line for it to sell at all. Nobody really gonna go head first into a line that starts with just some random nobody from a series. The exception to that would be the hardcore of hardcore fans.
Every line has Aragorn and Gandalf just like every line in SW has Luke and Vader. You have to have them in each line for it to sell at all. Nobody really gonna go head first into a line that starts with just some random nobody from a series. The exception to that would be the hardcore of hardcore fans.
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A little?.....that's like saying someone lying in a morgue for three days is a liitle dead. As for oversaturation, it is not the amount of specific pieces produced that causes oversaturation, it is large ES's that kill a piece, and ultimately result in a flooding of the market.....and I don't think we have to look too hard to find an example of that. And yeah, I think it's fair to say most LOTR collectors have a healthy collection, I certainly do. But that doesn't stop me from trying to upgrade my collection each and every time the opportunity arises. And this definitely looks like one of those moments.
What can I say? He's an extremely popular character, not particularly one of my favourites, but most people seem to love him.
As for oversaturation, I guess that's something everyone has to decide for themselves. Personally, I don't collect from every line and even within the lines I do collect I only pick up the pieces I feel are of excellent quality. So where Aragorn is concerned, there's only a couple of pieces ever produced that are of the quality I consider worthy of my collection...and this will be one of them.
The bottom line is, like it or not, this is SS's licence and I think SS couldn't care less as to what was previously done by another company or within their own existing lines. We all know that with the launch of any new line the main characters are going to be done, that is Basic Collecting 101.
Where I really give SS alot credit however, is in the fact they are not only attempting to attract new LOTR collectors, but also catering to existing collectors. There's really not anything you can do [costume-wise] with characters like GTG or Gimli, but look at the minor to major changes SS is implementing with the other 4 characters we've seen so far. A hooded Aragorn/Strider [with what looks like a killer likeness], a Helm's Deep armoured Legolas, a riding outfit Arwen yielding Hadhafang, and an armoured Gondorian Bormor with flag and Osgiliath backdrop. It appears like SS has really put alot of thought into how to proceed with this new line, and if these complimentary pieces aren't enough to attract some of the existing collectors who claim to be LOTR fans, then nothing will.
As well, from every indication given by SS so far this line is going to be huge, and I suspect all those previously ignored characters we've wanted for so long will finally be produced. There is of course a "Catch 22" here. Does anyone really believe we're ever going to see a Faramir or Eomer in statue form if people stay away from these first offerings in droves? I think it safe to say we can pretty well kiss goodbye any hopes of ever getting the specific characters we want should that happen.
Seriously though, would we even be having this conversation had Weta been awarded this licence? Would people be questioning the need for a riding outfit Arwen or Gondorian Boromir had they been produced by Weta. Those are rhetorical questions BTW, we both already know the answers.
A little?.....that's like saying someone lying in a morgue for three days is a liitle dead. As for oversaturation, it is not the amount of specific pieces produced that causes oversaturation, it is large ES's that kill a piece
What can I say? He's an extremely popular character, not particularly one of my favourites, but most people seem to love him.
As for oversaturation, I guess that's something everyone has to decide for themselves. Personally, I don't collect from every line and even within the lines I do collect I only pick up the pieces I feel are of excellent quality. So where Aragorn is concerned, there's only a couple of pieces ever produced that are of the quality I consider worthy of my collection...and this will be one of them. The bottom line is, like it or not, this is SS's licence and I think SS couldn't care less as to what was previously done by another company or within their own existing lines. We all know that with the launch of any new line the main characters are going to be done, that is Basic Collecting 101.
Where I really give SS alot credit however, is in the fact they are not only attempting to attract new LOTR collectors, but also catering to existing collectors. There's really not anything you can do [costume-wise] with characters like GTG or Gimli, but look at the minor to major changes SS is implementing with the other 4 characters we've seen so far. A hooded Aragorn/Strider [with what looks like a killer likeness], a Helm's Deep armoured Legolas, a riding outfit Arwen yielding Hadhafang, and an armoured Gondorian Bormor with flag and Osgiliath backdrop. It appears like SS has really put alot of thought into how to proceed with this new line, and if these complimentary pieces aren't enough to attract some of the existing collectors who claim to be LOTR fans, then nothing will.
As well, from every indication given by SS so far this line is going to be huge, and I suspect all those previously ignored characters we've wanted for so long will finally be produced. There is of course a "Catch 22" here. Does anyone really believe we're ever going to see a Faramir or Eomer in statue form if people stay away from these first offerings in droves? I think it safe to say we can pretty well kiss goodbye any hopes of ever getting the specific characters we want should that happen.
Seriously though, would we even be having this conversation had Weta been awarded this licence? Would people be questioning the need for a riding outfit Arwen or Gondorian Boromir had they been produced by Weta. Those are rhetorical questions BTW, we both already know the answers.
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No question, but I wouldn't necessarily agree that they need to be done first. Lurtz seemed to do just fine for the PF range.
No question, but I wouldn't necessarily agree that they need to be done first. Lurtz seemed to do just fine for the PF range.
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Thats due to people wanting him for years without it seeing the light of day product wise. Then you toss in the fact baddies do tend to sell better than the good guys with the exception of a few. Otherwise it would probably not have done so well.
Thats due to people wanting him for years without it seeing the light of day product wise. Then you toss in the fact baddies do tend to sell better than the good guys with the exception of a few. Otherwise it would probably not have done so well.
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Star Wars is a good example of how a product can be mass marketed and still throw up 'high end collectables' regardless of who makes them and how many years later someone discovers the 'magic' of the story.
I still think any new LOTR range is a good thing and only falls into the oversaturation bracket if it repeats things previously done. The scale may be the same but the visualisation isn't, hence a new line for those who are just getting into collecting, or a few choice pieces for those looking to aquire longed for characters.
As this is the only LOTR news in a while, I think too much thought is going into it instead of welcoming another much needed boost (WETA also providing one with the environments revival)
Star Wars is a good example of how a product can be mass marketed and still throw up 'high end collectables' regardless of who makes them and how many years later someone discovers the 'magic' of the story.
I still think any new LOTR range is a good thing and only falls into the oversaturation bracket if it repeats things previously done. The scale may be the same but the visualisation isn't, hence a new line for those who are just getting into collecting, or a few choice pieces for those looking to aquire longed for characters.
As this is the only LOTR news in a while, I think too much thought is going into it instead of welcoming another much needed boost (WETA also providing one with the environments revival)
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My feeling exactly.
Star Wars is a good example of how a product can be mass marketed and still throw up 'high end collectables' regardless of who makes them and how many years later someone discovers the 'magic' of the story.
I still think any new LOTR range is a good thing and only falls into the oversaturation bracket if it repeats things previously done. The scale may be the same but the visualisation isn't, hence a new line for those who are just getting into collecting, or a few choice pieces for those looking to aquire longed for characters.
As this is the only LOTR news in a while, I think too much thought is going into it instead of welcoming another much needed boost (WETA also providing one with the environments revival)
My feeling exactly.
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Though I too get a little antsy when SS offers the same character in several different modes, I just have to chuckle when I read comments like, "SS is making too many of character X; I already have five of them in my collection. I don't need anymore." I had a discussion about this one day with an SS CS person and she said that you wouldn't believe how many people call complaining about that or, they collect several different lines and they're pissed because they just received 5 shipping notices.
For each one fo us who has a large collection, built over years, there are several people who are just coming into it all. They have the same sense of excitement about it that you had in the beginning. To get upset and curse SS for trying to provide for everyone is a little ego-centric and....
Though I too get a little antsy when SS offers the same character in several different modes, I just have to chuckle when I read comments like, "SS is making too many of character X; I already have five of them in my collection. I don't need anymore." I had a discussion about this one day with an SS CS person and she said that you wouldn't believe how many people call complaining about that or, they collect several different lines and they're pissed because they just received 5 shipping notices.
For each one fo us who has a large collection, built over years, there are several people who are just coming into it all. They have the same sense of excitement about it that you had in the beginning. To get upset and curse SS for trying to provide for everyone is a little ego-centric and....
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I have to agree. I think many of us including myself at times forget that there are many people who are just coming into this hobby and they don't have that representation in their collection.
For each one fo us who has a large collection, built over years, there are several people who are just coming into it all. They have the same sense of excitement about it that you had in the beginning. To get upset and curse SS for trying to provide for everyone is a little ego-centric and....
I have to agree. I think many of us including myself at times forget that there are many people who are just coming into this hobby and they don't have that representation in their collection.
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Yup, anything that brings a new wave of LOTR collectors into the fold is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
Though I too get a little antsy when SS offers the same character in several different modes, I just have to chuckle when I read comments like, "SS is making too many of character X; I already have five of them in my collection. I don't need anymore." I had a discussion about this one day with an SS CS person and she said that you wouldn't believe how many people call complaining about that or, they collect several different lines and they're pissed because they just received 5 shipping notices.
For each one fo us who has a large collection, built over years, there are several people who are just coming into it all. They have the same sense of excitement about it that you had in the beginning. To get upset and curse SS for trying to provide for everyone is a little ego-centric and....
Yup, anything that brings a new wave of LOTR collectors into the fold is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
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For anybody getting started in the hobby or new to LotR then, it looks like this version of Aragorn will be a great figure to start with.
For anybody getting started in the hobby or new to LotR then, it looks like this version of Aragorn will be a great figure to start with.
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Mine too. After some thought i agree completely, and i look forward to seeing what SS has to offer. I am purely an all-polystone sculpted kind of collector so this news should be really exciting me, but i suppose i'm just worried that i'll really like what's being offered and then i'll have to worry about affording what i want to buy, plus i do still have worries about shipping/tax charges from the US as i haven't bought anything from SS since the closure of the EU warehouse. Not BECAUSE of the closure, just because i haven't wanted to order anything, apart from the ringwraith diorama that i'm now REALLY regretting canceling.
Thinking about it, i agree it does sound silly, and would like to retract any previous statements
I just posted without thinking. However as purely a statue collector i already have the SSW Aragorn, and even if this new one is better i'd still be worried about how it fits in with all my other Weta statues, as that's where i'd like to display it. Things like the look of the base etc.
I've always believed that there ARE'NT too many Aragorn SS pieces, as you need one for each different line, if some people, like me, don't collect every line but still want an Aragorn for 'their' line.
My feeling exactly.
Mine too. After some thought i agree completely, and i look forward to seeing what SS has to offer. I am purely an all-polystone sculpted kind of collector so this news should be really exciting me, but i suppose i'm just worried that i'll really like what's being offered and then i'll have to worry about affording what i want to buy, plus i do still have worries about shipping/tax charges from the US as i haven't bought anything from SS since the closure of the EU warehouse. Not BECAUSE of the closure, just because i haven't wanted to order anything, apart from the ringwraith diorama that i'm now REALLY regretting canceling.
Thinking about it, i agree it does sound silly, and would like to retract any previous statements
I just posted without thinking. However as purely a statue collector i already have the SSW Aragorn, and even if this new one is better i'd still be worried about how it fits in with all my other Weta statues, as that's where i'd like to display it. Things like the look of the base etc.I've always believed that there ARE'NT too many Aragorn SS pieces, as you need one for each different line, if some people, like me, don't collect every line but still want an Aragorn for 'their' line.
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I agree. I like how this proto looks and IMO has the potential to be better than the SSW version. Thus allowing the collector to not only get started with a great piece but great change to what we've seen before.
I agree. I like how this proto looks and IMO has the potential to be better than the SSW version. Thus allowing the collector to not only get started with a great piece but great change to what we've seen before.
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When i got the Weta Aragorn i have to admit it was a massive disappointment to me. I'd seen the famous 'Gollum' dvd that came with TTT EE and the Aragorn statue on that looked fantastic - the way they sold it too, with Viggo commenting on how much orc blood should be on the sword, and all the detailed paint work that went into the various cuts and bruises.
The actual product was shocking, with paint splodged anywhere and everywhere.....the sword was awash with black 'orc blood' paint and the 'cuts' on his knuckles were just spots of paint, identical on every knuckle as if the painter had just jabbed quickly at each in turn. It looked like a 4 year old had painted parts of it.
But i hang onto it in the hope that when i've got enough money together, i can get someone to re-paint it
Or, failing that, get this new SS version if it fits in with my other statues.
When i got the Weta Aragorn i have to admit it was a massive disappointment to me. I'd seen the famous 'Gollum' dvd that came with TTT EE and the Aragorn statue on that looked fantastic - the way they sold it too, with Viggo commenting on how much orc blood should be on the sword, and all the detailed paint work that went into the various cuts and bruises.
The actual product was shocking, with paint splodged anywhere and everywhere.....the sword was awash with black 'orc blood' paint and the 'cuts' on his knuckles were just spots of paint, identical on every knuckle as if the painter had just jabbed quickly at each in turn. It looked like a 4 year old had painted parts of it.
But i hang onto it in the hope that when i've got enough money together, i can get someone to re-paint it
Or, failing that, get this new SS version if it fits in with my other statues.FrodoEyes
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I don't have the SSW Aragorn, but I was always bothered by how short his cloak was.
As for the the argument about there being too many different versions of Aragorn, I can see how some people can see him being overdone, but in defense, he had the most incarnations of the Fellowship in the movie trilogy.
1. Aragorn as Strider in his leather duster. Portrayed in SSW bust, SS 1/6 figure, and upcoming SS maquette. My favorite version of Aragorn. Really looking forward to the maquette, but would have liked a PF.
2. Amon Hen Aragorn (for lack of a better description) with blue shirt and tunic. Portrayed in SSW polystone statue and SS PF.
3. Council Aragorn. Portrayed in SS LSB.
4. Two Towers Aragorn in Red Shirt and chain mail. Portrayed in SS diorama.
4. Aragorn in Gondorian Armor. Portrayed in SSW Rider and Steed statue. I think a PF of this would be great as well. I have no desire (or the money) to purchase the Cinemaquette.
5. Frodo recovery Aragorn (again, for lack of a better description). Not portrayed.
6. King Ellesar. Portrayed in SSW polystone statue.
I don't have the SSW Aragorn, but I was always bothered by how short his cloak was.
As for the the argument about there being too many different versions of Aragorn, I can see how some people can see him being overdone, but in defense, he had the most incarnations of the Fellowship in the movie trilogy.
1. Aragorn as Strider in his leather duster. Portrayed in SSW bust, SS 1/6 figure, and upcoming SS maquette. My favorite version of Aragorn. Really looking forward to the maquette, but would have liked a PF.
2. Amon Hen Aragorn (for lack of a better description) with blue shirt and tunic. Portrayed in SSW polystone statue and SS PF.
3. Council Aragorn. Portrayed in SS LSB.
4. Two Towers Aragorn in Red Shirt and chain mail. Portrayed in SS diorama.
4. Aragorn in Gondorian Armor. Portrayed in SSW Rider and Steed statue. I think a PF of this would be great as well. I have no desire (or the money) to purchase the Cinemaquette.
5. Frodo recovery Aragorn (again, for lack of a better description). Not portrayed.
6. King Ellesar. Portrayed in SSW polystone statue.
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