Asmus Toys: Boromir

[koolkollectibleskhai]

I think Asmus need to post a side by side photo of both head sculpts so that we can clearly see that the sculpts are the same. In these promotional pics, it seems that the head sculpts are slightly different, particularly in the paint application on the face. A side by side comparison photo of the head sculpts would help collectors make their choice if that's the only difference.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I wonder if the increased sales justifies putting up with facebook "fans"?

Only Asmus knows.

 

[Rzeznikk]

And speaking of revisiting lines or expansion packs if you will. I'm 99% sure he is a member here but someone is accusing Asmus of intentionally releasing " bad"
Sculpts so that we are "forced" to purchase the new head sculpts to make their product better. The new sculpts are being released because we asked for them. Like you said about customer service. Asmus listens to us and has great customer service.

I saw that too. Some people have no idea and see conspiracies everywhere. I have no insider information at all, but surely doing that could not be cost effective? Better initial sales and just one production run has to be better financially than intentionally crippling sales on the hope that people will buy a $40 upgrade head.

That would be me. Im just calling them out for what I'm seeing. Yeah I agree, we asked for them. Ok, but my argument is why should we have to ask?! They obviously have had better likeness sculpt available to them before final production.

First release an Aragorn with sculpted hair but then release it with real hair when that should have been the case to begin with. Then look at the Gandalf the Grey sculpt we got vs the one that was originally shown. The original blew the final product away.

Not to mention the Frodo and Sam sculpts we got vs ones they had before.

Look at this Sam that was sculpted for Asmus and yet they didn't use it and went with one that looks nothing like Sean Astin. Yeah nothing fishing at all. Move along move along. Or should we talk about Cain's unused Frodo sculpt that was miles better likeness? Come on guys. Take your blinders off.

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[superdoug]

Thank you,
only come back is we make it right again,
and we will do.

Its a good sculpt, and I think we did well overall in clothing and accessories.
so the only come back is to make something to shout the noise.

Again I cannot think of accompany I would rather see with the Lord of the Rings liscence. I love the commitment I have seen to the line so far.

 

[Dresky]

So i went on their Facebook page and yeah, never again. None of the kiddies there have any arguments. It's just hatred for the fun of it. Like, bullying at it's best.

I know a few companies disable comments when they put up some pictures. I think Asmus should do the same.

If you only check the number of likes they got vs the rest, you can see that people really like the figure.

 

[hoodonit00]

That would be me. Im just calling them out for what I'm seeing. First release an Aragorn with sculpted hair but then release it with real hair when that should have been the case to begin with. Then look at the Gandalf the Grey sculpt we got vs the one that was originally shown. The original blew the final product away.

Not to mention the Frodo and Sam sculpts we got vs ones they had before.

Look at this Sam that was sculpted for Asmus and yet they didn't use it and went with one that looks nothing like Sean Astin. Yeah nothing fishing at all. Move along move along. Or should we talk about Cain's unused Frodo sculpt that was miles better likeness? Come on guys. Take your blinders off.

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Yea I know it's you. Who says Aragorn should have come with rooted hair to begin with? Sure doesn't seem like it hurt the sales. Same with the Hobbits. Aragorn is sold out most places and the Hobbits can't be found except on eBay. They sold out as is. People did complain. Not only about the likeness but also that there weren't enough made. So Asmus decides they will re release some of the sets at a cheaper price point and with either better sculpts or rooted hair. And now this is a bad thing? This is reason for a conspiracy? You know the problem with most conspiracies? They make no sense. Why would a company gamble on a 200 dollar collectible by making an inferior product and possibly get stuck with that product, just so they could sell a 40 dollar product?

I've read everything you posted in the Boromir thread on FB. I think it's a damn shame that any member of this group would post stuff like that. Seriously if you dislike their product so much then why do you even collect it?

 

[hoodonit00]

Double post

 

[Rzeznikk]

Yea I know it's you. Who says Aragorn should have come with rooted hair to begin with? Sure doesn't seem like it hurt the sales. Same with the Hobbits. Aragorn is sold out most places and the Hobbits can't be found except on eBay. They sold out as is. People did complain. Not only about the likeness but also that there weren't enough made. So Asmus decides they will re release some of the sets at a cheaper price point and with either better sculpts or rooted hair. And now this is a bad thing? This is reason for a conspiracy? You know the problem with most conspiracies? They make no sense. Why would a company gamble on a 200 dollar collectible by making an inferior product and possibly get stuck with that product, just so they could sell a 40 dollar product?

I've read everything you posted in the Boromir thread on FB. I think it's a damn shame that any member of this group would post stuff like that. Seriously if you dislike their product so much then why do you even collect it?

Lol Blind. Blind. Blind. Fanboyism at it's finest.

A. Of course it didn't hurt sales. Fans have wanted a quality Aragirn/Hobbits/the whole Fellowship forever. SS didnt finish the line so hence Asmus is the only option people have to getting these characters on their shelves. That doesn't mean we should just swallow the lazy sculpt work because of it. And was Frodo and Sam like really limited? No **** they were going to sell out. The Lord of the Rings is one of the most read novels in the world and PJs movies have a rather LARGE fan base....
B. Which what makes it even more frustrating is we have other artists showing their work that was presented to Asmus for these characters and for whatever reason they chose to go with the lesser likeness for final release. In no way does that make ANY sense to me. At all.
C. You can shame me as much as you want. I'm not ashamed of what I wrote. Just because we want these figures on our shelves we shouldn't have to settle for a mediocre likeness. Especially just for them to release better versions later. Ridiculous. Asmus should be the ones ashamed. If, that's indeed their new marketing tactic.

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[Rzeznikk]

And the reason I do voice my concern is because I'm passionate about these characters and I want the best. I want Asmus to succeed. They need to slow down. If the sculpts not ready. It's not ready. Plain and simple. Don't rush it. Don't release it withe a half assed sculpt just to release a better sculpt later down the road.

Am I happy they are giving us better sculpts? Hell yes I am! Im very happy. I'm glad we are getting better hobbits sculpts. And a rooted Aragorn. Just they should have this stuff done with the first release. If it's about money, whatever. If they would have released the Rooted Aragorn at $300 I would still have bought it.

If Frodo and Sam came with everything the expansion is promising at $300 I would have bought it. Because I'm a fan. But when I'm seeing shady stuff like this is irks me. And maybe I'm reading too much into it, but unless Asmus can give me an explanation on why we were presented better likeness sculpts and then the final product recieves a lesser likeness it doesn't add up to me.

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[Thainitty]

I don't know rzeznikk, I really cannot imagine asmus plotting to release figures that they knew were inferior with the intention to release updated sculpts later. Every toy maker revisits popular characters later in the companies life. Your theory is the same as being mad at hot toys because they gave us the mms117 knowing they had the dx10 waiting in the wings while still triple knowing that the ultimate con was yet to come in the form of the even better dx13.

 

[Rzeznikk]

I don't know rzeznikk, I really cannot imagine asmus plotting to release figures that they knew were inferior with the intention to release updated sculpts later. Every toy maker revisits popular characters later in the companies life. Your theory is the same as being mad at hot toys because they gave us the mms117 knowing they had the dx10 waiting in the wings while still triple knowing that the ultimate con was yet to come in the form of the even better dx13.

Difference there is there is usually a year(s) worth of time between releases. It's not like they release those 2.0s back to back.

But that's my argument is Asmus KNOWS they have an inferior sculpt then why release it? Hold it till it's ready.

Someone PLEASE explain to me why that Sam sculpt I posted wasn't used instead of the one we got? How the hell did that happen if not intentially?

My question to Asmus: Is that the Sam sculpt we are getting in the expansion? And I'm sure everyone here has seen Caine s Frodo sculpt. That was obviously presented to Asmus before the release? I have a hard time believing the license holders didn't ok that sculpt. Or the Sam or that original Gandalf sculpt as well.

My conspiracy theory doesnt make sense? Asmus using inferior sculpts when they've been given better is what doesn't make sense.

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[Rzeznikk]

And also keep in mind the DX10 and 13 are completely different looks from the film. One clean and one battle damage. They warranted two releases.

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[Thainitty]

I think asmus picked the sculpts they did because those were the sculpts that said asmus to them. Maybe the sculpts we got asmus felt better matched the already released figures. I think that asmus is only releasing these expansions due to all of us saying "can you just sell this or that other sculpt?" "Could you sell the traveling cloaks" I mean to me it's great that they listen to their fans/customers

 

[Rzeznikk]

It's one thing for Asmus to strive to give is a better collectible. In hindsight. That's not what I'm upset about.

I'm upset with Asmus because I've seen better sculpts posted online. The artists claiming they've done work for Asmus. Obviously for the line. Frodo and Sam especially. And those sculpts get kicked to the side for what we got?? What? And the hero here is Asmus when they say they are doing expansions to include better likeness since they "dropped the ball" with the initial release?

We wouldn't even have to be doing these expansions if they delivered the first time. They had better sculpts to begin with.

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[Thainitty]

And also keep in mind the DX10 and 13 are completely different looks from the film. One clean and one battle damage. They warranted two releases.

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Yeah totally true and I love them all....maybe not the greatest example but you get what I'm saying. What about ledger jokers? Same thing but here we get a $40 option to make figures we already have even better. I could see being disappointed if you had to spend $200 on an entire figure just to get the better sculpt

 

[Gipetto0812]

Asmus sorry to see the unfair Facebook comments you are receiving.

The underling sculpt seems to be good and it's the paint and hair futzing on the rooted that are throwing it off. I agree with everyone's comments that the beard needs thickening and the shape of it changed subtlety with the paint application. I also think the eyebrows should be lighter in colour. Please don't lower the hairline that can be dealt with hair futzing.

I also agree with the the comments that if possible it would be great to show Boromir's ears poking through the hair. On the sculpted hair head, the front centre parting would look better if it was more rounded and less of a 'V' shape (someone else mentioned this earlier). Hair colour on the sculpted might look better lightened.

So please don't change the sculpt as it is really good and it's just the paint application that is hiding the likeness.

I wish to echo the comments that I hope you make the haired head available separately as I would like both head options if possible.

Keep up the good work Asmus

this deserves echoing! Keep up the great work Asmus!

Yea I know it's you. Who says Aragorn should have come with rooted hair to begin with? Sure doesn't seem like it hurt the sales. Same with the Hobbits. Aragorn is sold out most places and the Hobbits can't be found except on eBay. They sold out as is. People did complain. Not only about the likeness but also that there weren't enough made. So Asmus decides they will re release some of the sets at a cheaper price point and with either better sculpts or rooted hair. And now this is a bad thing? This is reason for a conspiracy? You know the problem with most conspiracies? They make no sense. Why would a company gamble on a 200 dollar collectible by making an inferior product and possibly get stuck with that product, just so they could sell a 40 dollar product?

I've read everything you posted in the Boromir thread on FB. I think it's a damn shame that any member of this group would post stuff like that. Seriously if you dislike their product so much then why do you even collect it?

Another good post!

 

[Rzeznikk]

Yeah totally true and I love them all....maybe not the greatest example but you get what I'm saying. What about ledger jokers? Same thing but here we get a $40 option to make figures we already have even better. I could see being disappointed if you had to spend $200 on an entire figure just to get the better sculpt

Like I said I *am* happy with the option to buy the updated headsculpts in expansions. Its not about the money. I'd have paid the extra money on the first release if it had the hair. I'd just prefer they hold out an deliver a true release. Take their time. If a sculpt is off. The fans will let them now. Fix it and then release.

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[Thainitty]

I get that, makes sense....maybe these expansions will bring the previous releases up to the newer standard that asmus has been delivering...their figures get better every release

 

[Asmus]

to Rzeznikk :

First of all, thank you for being active about the point, we appreciate that. Here are my respond to you on behave the team

1. We chose the sculpt to use based on what we saw was the better. However, it is same sculpt we sell to you as it is the SAME sculpt we used to take the official photos of, if you think the old was better, you have absolutely the full control of NOT to buy it. There was no tricks, no conspiracy, it was our decision those head sculpts are not what we wanted, and we live to the consequence of it.

2. We have released the new sculpts because we have better sculptors now that's all I will say.

Like I said, we can ignore the fact we have sold 500 pc of less good sculpts, and go on release a whole new set. But we choose to sell the head as an option, because we don't want people who already has an old copy and love a new head, spending big money for it. Once again, it is also your choice not to buy it if you either don't like what we do, or don't like the product.

 

[Rzeznikk]

to Rzeznikk :

First of all, thank you for being active about the point, we appreciate that. Here are my respond to you on behave the team

1. We chose the sculpt to use based on what we saw was the better. However, it is same sculpt we sell to you as it is the SAME sculpt we used to take the official photos of, if you think the old was better, you have absolutely the full control of NOT to buy it. There was no tricks, no conspiracy, it was our decision those head sculpts are not what we wanted, and we live to the consequence of it.

2. We have released the sculpt because we have better sculptors notw that's all I will say.

Like I said, we can ignore the fact we have sold 500 pc of less good sculpt, and go on release a whole new set. But we choose to sell the head as an option, because we don't want people who already has an old copy and love a new head, spending big money for it. Once again, it is also your choice not to buy it if you either don't like what we do, or don't like the product.

That didn't really answer my question as to why better sculpts were discarded. Look at that Sam sculpt I posted. How in the world do you see a better likeness in the one you released over that? Or Caine's Frodo sculpt or That Gandalf?! I don't get it. I don't see it at all.

And I really appreciate the "don't like don't buy" response...Since I'm speaking out to you to better your product I'm being told not to buy your product? Speaks volumes right there.

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