Avengers: Endgame

[ZE_501]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I started this list thinking about combatants in some other thread, but got to thinking about fatalities. If you do the math, the good guys have been doing extremely well for 22 films and 11 years of intense, high stakes combat.

• 17% fatality rate.
• 20% if you count Gamora 1 dying on Vormir.
• 3% permanent injury (Rhodes -- still active).

*I don't count the death of Evil Nebula above.

Based on the following list:

1. Iron Man (deceased)
2. Hulk (now Professor Hulk)
3. War Machine
4. Black Widow (deceased)
5. Thor
6. Captain America (retired)
7. Hawkeye (retired)
8. Starlord
9. Gamora (Gamora 1 deceased, Gamora 2 whereabouts unknown)
10. Drax
11. Groot
12. Rocket
13. Scarlet Witch
14. Quicksilver (deceased)
15. Vision (deceased)
16. Ant-Man
17. Spider-Man
18. Dr. Strange
19. The Ancient One (deceased)
20. Wong
21. Nebula (Nebula 1 deceased, Nebula 2 status unknown)
22. Mantis
23. Valkyrie
24. Korg
25. Miek
26. Black Panther
27. Okoye
28. Shuri
29. The Wasp
30. Captain Marvel

Not taking into account these:

NETFLIX
1. Daredevil (status unknown)
2. Elektra (presumed dead)
3. Jessica Jones
4. Luke Cage
5. Misty Knight
6. Iron Fist
7. Hellcat (status unknown)
8. The Punisher

TELEVISION (I haven't even seen these)
1. 2014 Agents of SHIELD (Quake, Ghostrider, etc.?)
2. 2015 Agent Carter (set in 1946)
3. 2017 Inhumans

 

[The Buffinator]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I started this list thinking about combatants in some other thread, but got to thinking about fatalities. If you do the math, the good guys have been doing extremely well for 22 films and 11 years of intense, high stakes combat.

• 17% fatality rate.
• 20% if you count Gamora 1 dying on Vormir.
• 3% permanent injury (Rhodes -- still active).

*I don't count the death of Evil Nebula above.

Based on the following list:

1. Iron Man (deceased)
2. Hulk (now Professor Hulk)
3. War Machine
4. Black Widow (deceased)
5. Thor
6. Captain America (retired)
7. Hawkeye (retired)
8. Starlord
9. Gamora (Gamora 1 deceased, Gamora 2 whereabouts unknown)
10. Drax
11. Groot
12. Rocket
13. Scarlet Witch
14. Quicksilver (deceased)
15. Vision (deceased)
16. Ant-Man
17. Spider-Man
18. Dr. Strange
19. The Ancient One (deceased)
20. Wong
21. Nebula (Nebula 1 deceased, Nebula 2 status unknown)
22. Mantis
23. Valkyrie
24. Korg
25. Miek
26. Black Panther
27. Okoye
28. Shuri
29. The Wasp
30. Captain Marvel

Not taking into account these:

NETFLIX
1. Daredevil (status unknown)
2. Elektra (presumed dead)
3. Jessica Jones
4. Luke Cage
5. Misty Knight
6. Iron Fist
7. Hellcat (status unknown)
8. The Punisher

TELEVISION (I haven't even seen these)
1. 2014 Agents of SHIELD (Quake, Ghostrider, etc.?)
2. 2015 Agent Carter (set in 1946)
3. 2017 Inhumans

The most amazing part of this list is that Joss Whedon only killed one of them. But he was first.

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

According to Forbes, Avatar's reign is coming to an end...



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...o-top-avatar-as-biggest-film-of-all-time/amp/

Avengers would need a drop of 75% to not pass Avatar.

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[jye4ever]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Until reading that I had serious doubts it would beat Avatar but that article makes a decent case.

If EG does beat Avatar without the need of a rerelease that would be quite impressive.

Doesn’t Disney own Avatar now?

 

[Khev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

According to Forbes, Avatar's reign is coming to an end...



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...o-top-avatar-as-biggest-film-of-all-time/amp/

Avengers would need a drop of 75% to not pass Avatar.

I like the poster in that article, it's a nice shot of the three main heroes of the MCU.

 

[rushmore223]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Until reading that I had serious doubts it would beat Avatar but that article makes a decent case.

If EG does beat Avatar without the need of a rerelease that would be quite impressive.

Doesn’t Disney own Avatar now?

Yep. They own everything.

The only thing that hurts the box office of a Disney movie, is another Disney move.

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[rushmore223]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I like the poster in that article, it's a nice shot of the three main heroes of the MCU.

It is cool. I've been keeping my eye out on DMR for that Endgame poster to come back, I know you really want it.

It'll happen, but when it does, you'll need to act fast.

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[Sassafras]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Well there were ways around it like the one I posted above.... He could have started in on Thanos and then have others assist... if Cap and IM can handle their own against Thanos I am sure they could have come up with a way for Hulk to get some licks in .

Or just let him fight the big henchman and some of the other larger creatures....

My original point being they didn’t want hulk stealing the show.

IMO it was more than that - there were a number of either ongoing arcs or potential arcs they didn't want stealing the show. I feel *manipulated* which is why I wanna yell at the writers and Russos and then hug them and cry. It's easier just to hate 98% or luv, luv, luv blindly

In no particular order across IW and EG:
1) Promising Thor/Valkyrie dynamic - Valkyrie doesn't even show up in IW (no scene of her saving Asgardians). Loki too brief. (BS setting up for TV series for Loki so he doesn't get a lot of screen time) Who the *&&^% knows where Lady Sif is.

2) Bucky/Cap/Falcon - total BS and no payoff of powerful friendship arc. Or promising snark dynamic between Sam and Bucky. More BS setting up for TV series, really. But at the end of the day these guys don't even really talk to each other much; WS one of Marvel's best fighters and doesn't get his moment, really. Superseded by Cap and Tony WTF *sigh* and constantly hyping BP.

3) Banner gets a lot of time in EG, but no lead-in to WHY, really Hulk persona goes on strike WTF - and I don't think he would've gone down so fast in IW and doesn't get to kick enough butt in EG.

4) Wakanda battle is lame and makes no sense (no air support and spears WTF; not enough M'baku, jokes) - nobody except Thor really has EPIC moment (maybe Cap against Thanos) - mostly Russos focus on Tony/DS on Titan (setting up next DS movie)

Etc. IMO some of this was comic loving Russos and writers doing their thing - some good reasons probably like keeping things fresh and knowing that too many arcs going on doesn't work in any movie: other reasons not so great like force-feeding.

So, yeah. The writers say "we can't be all things to all people". I say tho - if u open a major arc up - like the Thor "go for the head thing" u probably ought to finish - otherwise there's no payoff. It's irritating to have to "interpolate" or hearing quickie brush-off explanations.

Tho admit it's a fine balance and one person's powerful conversation between two characters is another person's boredom.

 

[Neal136]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Doesn’t Disney own Avatar now?

And Titanic as well. The top five movies globally of all time? All Disney.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Wait that’s right Disney owns Titanic as well.

I mean holy crap lol

 

[loki2371]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Titanic was put out by both Paramount & Fox. Paramount domestically here in the US, Fox overseas internationally.

So not sure what Disney's claim to Titanic is. Might be like the Hulk issue where it is shared.

 

[ZE_501]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

The most amazing part of this list is that Joss Whedon only killed one of them. But he was first.

-- I realize Loki's not in that list or calculation. I guess he'd switched sides by Infinity War, but it's hard to say with that weasel.

 

[Craig Walker]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Disney actually owns all of us, we just don't know it.

 

[Craig Walker]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

That EG poster is cool. Love the reflections in the water.

 

[Khev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Okay here's something that boggles my mind. In pretty much every other film series that goes longer than two movies there are X amount of entries that I dismiss, ignore or don't count as "canon." SW, Indy, Terminator, ALIEN, Raimi Spider-Man, BTTF, JP, Batman, Superman, X-Men, DCEU, Conan, Predator, RoboCop, The Matrix, Die Hard, and on and on and do you know what? Even with *22 entries* I really don't have any problems with seeing the entire MCU so far as one unified whole.

22 CANON FREAKING MOVIES. Yes there are some weaker entries and some things that are dumb additions to the mythos (badass TWS Fury losing his eye to the dumb cat that he was in love with in CM) but nothing so offensive that I feel the need to declare, "nope! Doesn't count!" How, just how, lol.

 

[ZE_501]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

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22 CANON FREAKING MOVIES. Yes there are some weaker entries and some things that are dumb additions to the mythos (badass TWS Fury losing his eye to the dumb cat that he was in love with in CM) but nothing so offensive that I feel the need to declare, "nope! Doesn't count!" How, just how, lol.

Agreed, this is the only series wherein I accept all the entries. That said, the two single most mishandled characters IMO are Hulk and Nick Fury. *Particularly* Nick Fury. They went way off-brand in Captain Marvel. It's possible Hulk can come back from where he's at, but Fury? Made no sense to write him that way.

 

[a-dev]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

Okay here's something that boggles my mind. In pretty much every other film series that goes longer than two movies there are X amount of entries that I dismiss, ignore or don't count as "canon." SW, Indy, Terminator, ALIEN, Raimi Spider-Man, BTTF, JP, Batman, Superman, X-Men, DCEU, Conan, Predator, RoboCop, The Matrix, Die Hard, and on and on and do you know what? Even with *22 entries* I really don't have any problems with seeing the entire MCU so far as one unified whole.

22 CANON FREAKING MOVIES. Yes there are some weaker entries and some things that are dumb additions to the mythos (badass TWS Fury losing his eye to the dumb cat that he was in love with in CM) but nothing so offensive that I feel the need to declare, "nope! Doesn't count!" How, just how, lol.

I've come to accept Spiderman 3. A weaker installment but still has enough in it to enjoy. BTTF and The Matrix also don't have any non-canon films for me. Still, I understand your point. The MCU doesn't have anything offensively bad.

Do we hold them to a lesser standard for some reason?

 

[Ehollywood]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWvraMdyzo4

 

[Otomofan]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

I couldn't finish Spider-Man. The fat nerd and the other high school kids were like nails on a chalkboard. I like the kid playing Spidey but that supporting cast is garbage.

 

[JAWS]

Re: Avengers: Endgame (April 26th, 2019)

So my friend said that he saw an interview with the Russo’s or the writers. They were asked about Hulk. They said “his arm damage was permanent and there was no coming back from it... of course I never know.. Someone could help him fix it or give him a new arm”

It’s possible I guess the article was fake but if not

**** the Russo’s and or the writers for knowing nothing about the character and for not caring about the character.

IW and Endgame is officially fan fiction / cap porn.

I wonder if Cap and Iron man will ever figure out their differences...