Avengers: Endgame

[Wor-Gar]

Agree with both comments

Of course I'm not certain IW solves your Hulk problem too much -- but at least there is the promise of Hulk... and he isn't a Prof.

 

[Bo Shrek]

I haven’t seen the movie yet nor have I seen any trailers or read spoilers...

 

[guyver1]

Holy S### the clarity transfer and colors on the 4K is phenomenal on this

This has to be enhanced more than your typical 4K blu ray

The final battle is so bright and sparkling clear ..did anyone else notice this

It?s like Disney said we are going to show you why this film beat Avatar

 

[kiwiatlarge]

Holy S### the clarity transfer and colors on the 4K is phenomenal on this

This has to be enhanced more than your typical 4K blu ray

The final battle is so bright and sparkling clear ..did anyone else notice this

It?s like Disney said we are going to show you why this film beat Avatar

Yeah I had both this and Iron Man delivered yesterday on UHD. Sat down and watched from Iron Man/Cap/Thor vs Thanos onwards and then popped in Iron Man..

 

[Neal136]

The new server seems to automatically log me out every 10 seconds (which is really annoying when I'm in the middle of writing a post).

I'm not having that issue, but I still can't get into this section of the forum ... and only this section. When I click on it, it just reloads the main screen again. I can get into an individual thread (the most recent one posted in) in the Movies section, but that's it. It's somewhat frustrating, because I definitely spend my most time on the forum in here. Oh well. Hopefully it'll get fixed over the weekend.

 

[Neal136]

Watched this again last night..

I know I have said it before and the jokes have been plentiful.. But that final battle just feels like such a major piece is missing by not really having the Hulk there. I don't even need a huge hulk moment but just know that he is really there. Give him a Pepper Pots moment at least. One of the original Avengers was about as useful as a Dead Black Widow was.

The big three vs Thanos feels off also.. I know I come at this as a Hulk fan but man even if it was professor Hulk it would have felt more fitting.. I mean they basically moved him to Hawkeye and Black Widow status were he is an Avenger... But.. Not really.

Now as a Hulk fan it really hurts my enjoyment and just makes the whole ending feel out of balance. Russo's obviously know nothing about the Hulk or his fans. What really sucks is how it affects my enjoyment of Cap... I love Cap in all the other movies.. But because they screwed Hulk and made comic porn for Cap, it makes me resentful of the character... Russo's Suck

Does not help that I don't think the rest of the film is very god either.. What should have been easily my fav movie of the year has already been topped by several other films this summer

I was hoping my 4K Blu Ray experience would be better.


BTW... at the 9:15 mark.. Its the worst CGI ever done for Hulk

I'm really sorry this bothers you so much, JAWS. Hulk is definitely my favorite Avenger, and though I don't think he gets enough to do, there are so many fantastic things in this movie, that I really don't let Hulk's slights diminish my enjoyment of it.

 

[a-dev]

I'm not having that issue, but I still can't get into this section of the forum ... and only this section. When I click on it, it just reloads the main screen again. I can get into an individual thread (the most recent one posted in) in the Movies section, but that's it. It's somewhat frustrating, because I definitely spend my most time on the forum in here. Oh well. Hopefully it'll get fixed over the weekend.

Same. I have no idea what other threads are active in here right now. I've only caught this one or the Godzilla one. That probably means there's nothing else going on though.

 

[guyver1]

Tony is or should I say was a freakin genius. Watching the part of when Hulk dawned the Nano gauntlet, at first it was regular IM armor size and then it extended and expanded to fit the Hulk’s hand

Also you know there was no doubt Tony knew he was going to die , because when you see the stones ( thanks to the beautiful enhanced blu ray sharpness) we can now see the stones never stopped fluctuating when they landed on his 85 glove after the initial merge before he did the snap. Meaning they never stabilized after the stones merged to his glove, that kept radiating energy through him the whole time.

IMO the stones were coursing through his body with unstability that if he didn’t do the snap any quicker that energy was going to fry him faster than it did the Hulk. It really was the ultimate sacrifice

 

[jye4ever]

I?m having the complete opposite effect then Jaws because as a huge Hulk fan myself who initially suffered greatly with what I thought his arc was leading up to I have to say that EG is just as impactful as IW because it?s different in the way it needs to be than IW.

The fact that I love EG despite it not giving me the Hulk arc I thought I needed is a testament to how good EG actually is.

I still had epic character arc conclusions with 4 other OG characters and Khev?s defense of Hulk?s arc actually makes that a solid 5 arcs completed for me.

If anything I think Wor-Gar is also wrong because EG is certainly not being erased by IW as both are complimenting each other to perfection as ESB does SW and in the long run both will culturally survive.

Wor-Gar is just disgruntled because Raiders doesn?t have its ESB like IW has its EG lol

I?m picking up so much more nuances on home viewing as well i?ll get to those after I poop.




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[Khev]

It's amazing how perfectly EG wrapped up the final spoken lines of *both* IM1 and C:TFA.

I also like that HE had to resort to using his sword to fend off the Outriders when he was trying to escape the complex with the gauntlet. That made his homicidal rampage in Tokyo an integral element in bringing his family back and saving trillions of lives.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I think Wor-Gar is also wrong

As is often the case.

EG is certainly not being erased by IW as both are complimenting each other to perfection as ESB does SW and in the long run both will culturally survive.

Not erased, just eclipsed... and I think you're using the wrong comparison -- EG is ROTJ not SW.

Sticky-gooey happy finales always fade with time, their corny schmaltz never finds its un-invested future audience (who are kids that likely start with Endgame and have no 10-year build up)

It's the finale so there will always be an attachment to the wind-up... but I think the fever that it is a perfect movie will cool for sure over time. Even with Khev.

 

[JAWS]

Of course I'm not certain IW solves your Hulk problem too much -- but at least there is the promise of Hulk... and he isn't a Prof.

Its just a better movie.. Had Endgame been as good as IW I would still be disappointed that Hulk got the shaft but at least the film would be great.. I have more then my share of issues with EG.

 

[JAWS]

I?m having the complete opposite effect then Jaws because as a huge Hulk fan myself who initially suffered greatly with what I thought his arc was leading up to I have to say that EG is just as impactful as IW because it?s different in the way it needs to be than IW.

The fact that I love EG despite it not giving me the Hulk arc I thought I needed is a testament to how good EG actually is.

I still had epic character arc conclusions with 4 other OG characters and Khev?s defense of Hulk?s arc actually makes that a solid 5 arcs completed for me.

If anything I think Wor-Gar is also wrong because EG is certainly not being erased by IW as both are complimenting each other to perfection as ESB does SW and in the long run both will culturally survive.

Wor-Gar is just disgruntled because Raiders doesn?t have its ESB like IW has its EG lol

I?m picking up so much more nuances on home viewing as well i?ll get to those after I poop.




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I have no issue with Caps, IM's or Thor's arc... They are fine.. I just don't think the film that gives them their conclusions is all that great.. I want to like it.. I want to love it.. But I find it mostly boring and what have should have been the ultimate battle was cool as a splash page but not a great action scene.. Caps Hammer moments were the highlight and Tony got a good send off but really... That's about it for me. 2.5 hours to get the final battle and its a trailer highlight real.. Hell even the big three fight with Thanos is not is good as IM, Spidey, GOTG, Dr. Strange vs Thanos?

Just not a fan of the time travel plot leading up to the end also... 2.5 hours of time travel goofiness.. Well 2 hours of it.. I liked the first 1/2 hour best...

As much as I am not a fan of Prof Hulk... I did find him to be the most entertaining part of the first 2.5 hours.. That's not a good thing.


I am not even sure what to say would have improved it for me.. Its not a bad film... Had IW not raised the stakes so high I just may have been mildly disappointed. But it was a swing an a miss overall for me when compared to IW and IMO a let down for being the cap on a 10 year build up.

Also hate that the final is with Alternate timeline Thanos.. It loses some weight that way... The Drama is not as high or as cool.

Not erased, just eclipsed... and I think you're using the wrong comparison -- EG is ROTJ not SW.

Sticky-gooey happy finales always fade with time, their corny schmaltz never finds its un-invested future audience (who are kids that likely start with Endgame and have no 10-year build up)

It's the finale so there will always be an attachment to the wind-up... but I think the fever that it is a perfect movie will cool for sure over time. Even with Khev.

I don't know if its a Sticky-gooey happy final... IM does die after all... But its far from a perfect film IMO and has its share of warts.. Mostly in the main plot and average action...

Will it cool for Khev? I don't know how it can.. He has seen it so many times, I would think that the rose colored glasses would have faded by now..

Plus with his and Jyes ability to talk themselves into loving a movie for reasons never intended (see TLJ) that this will forever be an all time classic with them.. And while Khev's opinion has changed with TLJ.. EG is not TLJ. So I don't see his love diminishing.

Besides as a Cap fan, he got a great ending for Cap... Even thought the action was IMO average... Cap did get all the best moments.

Khev got his wet dream.

 

[JAWS]

We complain about Disney Star Wars destroying our favorite characters... yet the Disney MCU took out The Incredible Hulk in one of their best movies. Completely eviscerated him... to the cheers of the masses.

Now he's now longer Incredible.... he's just.... The Indelible Hulk.


Avengers Assemble! Quietly... and in single file please.

The real tragedy of Hulk is the fact that the damage was done to him in the two biggest films ever. How does one overcome such irreparable damage to one's reputation and image. Even if they make a new Hulk film and he's an unstoppable monster, that film will never reach the same level of people of IW/ED. A generation will remember Hulk as the foolish coward that thought he could beat Thanos, only to be embarrassed, and retreat in fear forever. People will think of him as the guy who was one shot by the bald ancient lady. What's so incredible about him? He now wears glasses and looks like a hipster dork. I see those everyday. He ain't even the only green person anymore in the MCU, and certainly not the strongest there is anymore. "We have a Hulk" meant something. It meant infinite power and an unstoppable force.Now, in the biggest film ever, it just means an infinite amount of tacos from a green guy that acts like Rex from Toy Story. Even Hopeman and the embarrassing treatment of Batflleck in JL aren't as bad because that film bombed. Hulk will forever be a joke in the biggest movie franchise ever and the biggest film in movie history.

I cant argue with any of these comments..

I totally agree with his take that it simply isn't a straight-up action film and is instead more of a character based drama. I'm trying to think of other genre films that take that approach. Heat comes to mind. It's a crime movie sure, but you really take a deep dive into many of the characters themselves with that one explosive shootout at the end. The shootout itself is legendary and the part that the most of the film builds to and yet nobody turns on Heat and then just skips to the shootout. No way, you go through the preceding drama each and every time first.

I have no problem at all with EG not being wall to wall action. I think I've seen it five times now and the diner with Professor Hulk, Cap's support group, Scott hunting for his daughter, the characters brainstorming about time travel; to me it's still every bit as engaging as the first time I saw it. The end battle is just the perpetual icing on the cake.

It's a three hour movie that's relatively light on action where I'm not tempted once to skip a single scene. I can *not* say that for The Dark Knight or any of the TDK trilogy in fact. BB/TDK/TDKR are all good to great films in my mind (even TDKR) but all three have an aspect of "just endure the boredom because you'll eventually be rewarded if you do."

Not so with EG. I love every minute of it.

Oh man... This film is IMO has far more skippable scenes then TDK.

I wouldn't mind the slowness of EG if the drama / character moments was better... But I for one did not need to see Thor with his mom... Or Tony come to terms (again) with his dad or watch Cap spy on his love... All very skippable moments.. And the brainstorming about time travel.... Yikes.. I seriously got tired of listening to them babel about it.. I found Thanos to be far less interesting and very skippable in this film also..

I don't need wall to wall action in my film... TDK is a great example of that. And if I am going to compare a film to Heat... Well that's TDK and not EG...

EG is more Den of Thieves..


But more power to you Khev? I don't think I would complain about anything either if I were you.

 

[JAWS]

On a positive note... IM's death was really handled well... It was as disturbing as it was sad. The film handled his death perfectly.

 

[jye4ever]

Few more thoughts post home viewing.

The whole ?America?s Ass? thing really drove home modern Cap looking at 2012 Cap as still a naive person in servitude of a hydra run intelligence agency, truly a donkey still oblivious to the reality and obliging to orders.

When I saw the ant in Dr. Pym?s office I thought the ant was a great representation of us regular humans oblivious and powerless to the larger events at play around us shaping the world like their time travel mission or a government infiltrated by hydra.

I loved how Scott Lang came off pretty selfish in 2012 NY when all he cared about was having enough pym particles to save himself and not agreeing with their mission to 1970 NJ and Cap lecturing him that if need be he will sacrifice himself for the greater mission and by Stark agreeing their unity was complete post civil war and their arcs were set in final motion with both seeing Peggy/Howard on that mission.

Had Cap not wielded the hammer Thor was flat out dead right there and then!

I loved that no matter what they could could collectively muster up to throw at Thanos either in IW or in EG it was never enough.

The only thing that could kill Thanos were the stones. The only one who could yield the stones without dying was Thanos therefore no matter what the only way to kill Thanos required a suicide mission.

EG....the movie about suicide lol








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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I cant argue with any of these comments..

Few mortals can.

 

[Wor-Gar]

EG....the movie about suicide lol

Tony didn't just cut the wire after all.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

First TLJ has characters committing suicide and now Marvel? What's going on? A real hero would instead fake his death, move to Italy and fulfill an old man's weird fantasy. Suicide is for pussies.

 

[jye4ever]

I also loved it that NOT EVEN TIME TRAVEL was going to be enough to save them against Thanos on that final stand as evident by them never reaching Pym?s quantum van on that battlefield.

Not even after CM makes this grand entrance where we are made to believe she will save the day and she leads this forward charge that was started by Hawkeye then BP then Spiderman (with an assist by Cap) then A-Force then Thor, Cap and IM again they STILL are left with a suicide mission.



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