Avengers: Infinity War - (warning: Spoilers)

[Sassafras]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

I don't want to rain on the parade here, but count me among those who came away less than impressed. Here's my take, er, rant...

Just too. much. Reminded me of among other things, those last two Matrix movies-just bursting at the seams with over-the-top stunts and scenes that literally have no sense to them. Someone earlier mentioned the "Transformers" messy-action vibe...I got that too, only more so. What was with Stark, Rhodie and Spidey's suits? Sprouting out appendages and armaments from nowhere (where did it all fit in those suits ?!?) just because, well, it looked cool, didn't it? No- it looked ridiculous and slapped one out of the action.

No one really has time to register. Well-known (and fan-favorite) characters are reduced to glorified cameos or in BannerHulk's case, the butt of a long, lame joke. Ready for my roasting

No roasting from me agree with you. Seeing it again later today but not exactly happy about it. Thought about it later and re Feige comments about future movie roster and thought maybe IW is a big commercial. Except for Wakanda. The battle sequence where I'd thought the Russos would excel with lots of closeups of hard, desperate hand to hand stuff - don't remember what T'challa did. I remember Cap, Bucky, and the ladies. Major relationships are just blown off or promising chemistry like Bucky and Falcon, M'baku and T'challa, T'challa and Cap, Nat and Bucky doesn't even get a line. Wakanda just felt too short and frenzied. One of the reasons I want to go back to see if I can take it in better.

Some have said there were 18 movies to get to know these characters, but don't buy that when there was plenty of time to do the "Mr. Stark I want to fight/go home kid" exchange for like the third time on film. So as far as screen time and attention paid IMO it was more of what the directors wanted to do. Did Sam even have a line?

Plus there's stuff that just seems contrived re the Soul Stone; confusion, and for me parts of outright boredom. There were parts where Thanos was utterly chilling. I wish the film had been tightened to keep it to that, pretty much. Most of Thanos children didn't seem to radiate menace and lacked presence. Like I thought Cull Obsidian would be - more - and it's like he's just a big thug. Proxima should have been more but had me really missing Hela.

There's lots of good stuff IMO - like Heimdall, and the first meeting of Strange and IM; Cap catching the spear, finally some fleshing out of Vision and SW, the arrival of the donut; I liked the space forge; thought Thor was acting more like a king than I'd seen before; IM armor. But looking back at fan event felt 1) cheated and 2) like I'd been to a fireworks display.
(Lol my bro was a little concerned I'd start dumping my new Hot Topic Thanos-on-Throne exclusive POPs re being po'd but those are INVESTMENTS) One more view and I'm done. Russos say there will be lots of bonus material on home release - I think they should recut movie for balance.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

No roasting from me agree with you. Seeing it again later today but not exactly happy about it. Thought about it later and re Feige comments about future movie roster and thought maybe IW is a big commercial. Except for Wakanda. The battle sequence where I'd thought the Russos would excel with lots of closeups of hard, desperate hand to hand stuff - don't remember what T'challa did. I remember Cap, Bucky, and the ladies. Major relationships are just blown off or promising chemistry like Bucky and Falcon, M'baku and T'challa, T'challa and Cap, Nat and Bucky doesn't even get a line. Wakanda just felt too short and frenzied. One of the reasons I want to go back to see if I can take it in better.

Some have said there were 18 movies to get to know these characters, but don't buy that when there was plenty of time to do the "Mr. Stark I want to fight/go home kid" exchange for like the third time on film. So as far as screen time and attention paid IMO it was more of what the directors wanted to do. Did Sam even have a line?

Plus there's stuff that just seems contrived re the Soul Stone; confusion, and for me parts of outright boredom. There were parts where Thanos was utterly chilling. I wish the film had been tightened to keep it to that, pretty much. Most of Thanos children didn't seem to radiate menace and lacked presence. Like I thought Cull Obsidian would be - more - and it's like he's just a big thug. Proxima should have been more but had me really missing Hela.

There's lots of good stuff IMO - like Heimdall, and the first meeting of Strange and IM; Cap catching the spear, finally some fleshing out of Vision and SW, the arrival of the donut; I liked the space forge; thought Thor was acting more like a king than I'd seen before; IM armor. But looking back at fan event felt 1) cheated and 2) like I'd been to a fireworks display.
(Lol my bro was a little concerned I'd start dumping my new Hot Topic Thanos-on-Throne exclusive POPs re being po'd but those are INVESTMENTS) One more view and I'm done. Russos say there will be lots of bonus material on home release - I think they should recut movie for balance.

 

[ShadowX81]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

Epic prediction



But think about it for 18 movies fans complained it was all about the heroes and the villains were neglected.

Literally that was the complaint 18 consecutive times!

So the ONE time they make a movie fully devoted to the villain and you’re not happy lol
If you want movies focused mostly on the heroes you have 18 movies to chose from that’s why they were made that way to give 10 years worth of quality hero backstory.

My 10 years with the 18 MCU movies gave me everything I needed to connect with the heroes in IW.
You should apply to the WB superhero story group lol

You're supposed to develop both heroes and villians. Not just pick one.

We haven't seen Cap in 2 years. Suddenly he is Nomad for fanservice reasons. Even though he is essentially just Captain America still. Where has he been for 2 years? How have his values changed? What are his (or any of the other characters) views on what is going on? Everyone is clearly in a different phase of their life, some people don't even know eachother.

Thank god the first Avengers didn't take this storytelling philosophy, or else the movie would have been the heroes introducing themselves to each other for 10 seconds, and then immediately cutting to the battle of New York.

Every single film needs proper time for character development if you expect us to care about who the pretty. Every single one. Otherwise we don't see any growth in the characters or connect with them. They are just there to punch bad guys.

Without any character, you have no drama, no arcs, no purpose to the film. Its just a big fight scene that lasts 2 hours. But hey, if a Michael Bay thin plot and lots of pretty CGI explosions are all you care about, this is the movie for you.

 

[evenflow]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

I thought it was incredible. Loves that it was a Thanos movie, waited ten years for it. The only think that would have made it better would have been Adam Warlock (really held out hope for an appearance) and Silver Surfer (wish that Fox deal happened sooner).

 

[jye4ever]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

You're supposed to develop both heroes and villians. Not just pick one.

We haven't seen Cap in 2 years. Suddenly he is Nomad for fanservice reasons. Even though he is essentially just Captain America still. Where has he been for 2 years? How have his values changed? What are his (or any of the other characters) views on what is going on? Everyone is clearly in a different phase of their life, some people don't even know eachother.

Thank god the first Avengers didn't take this storytelling philosophy, or else the movie would have been the heroes introducing themselves to each other for 10 seconds, and then immediately cutting to the battle of New York.

Every single film needs proper time for character development if you expect us to care about who the pretty. Every single one. Otherwise we don't see any growth in the characters or connect with them. They are just there to punch bad guys.

Without any character, you have no drama, no arcs, no purpose to the film. Its just a big fight scene that lasts 2 hours. But hey, if a Michael Bay thin plot and lots of pretty CGI explosions are all you care about, this is the movie for you.

Ok so what were those 18 movies 36 hours worth of movies about then if not about hero character development?

Everyone complained that’s all they were about!

Nomad Cap was clearly explained at end of CW.

So now we got ONE movie for sure mostly about the villain but there was still attention paid to the heroes yet you’re calling it a failure.

 

[Shawpaw]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

So thanos kills half the universe to save it because resources are finite,

Might as well use the stones to massively lower birthrates for all higher lifeforms instead. Would make us last a lot longer than one 50% cleave.

Make half the universe sterile?


Why not Why didn't he just make everyone want to consume less?

Thanos has always been more attracted to death.

 

[ShadowX81]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

Ok so what were those 18 movies 36 hours worth of movies about then if not about hero character development?

Every complained that’s all they were about!

Nomad Cap was clearly explained at end of CW.

Apparently you didn't read the part of my post where it says you need character development in every movie. Not just some of them. Slow scenes, quiet scenes, scenes where the purpose isn't just to punch people or dump exposition.

All Civil War told me was where Cap's head was at 2 years ago. Problem is I don't know where its at today. Even if you want to make the crazy claim that the 2 years of him being somewhere (we never find out) as a fugitive haven't changed him in the slightest bit, all that shows is stagnant development. And that goes for every single character.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

Wor-Gar liked it, your complaint is nullified by the snap of his finger

 

[jnmx2000]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

This movie was sensational. Everything that happened was pretty much expected except for the events around the soul stone, that surprised me.

I really can't imagine anyone who hasn't seen the films being able to follow and register with a lot that happens here. Pretty much everything that happens and the jokes rely on the viewer having seen the other films since this really is a direct pickup of all the films that preceded it.

Any way I don't see how this could have been any better.

This film was perfectly balanced.
As all things should be.


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[DiFabio]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

You're supposed to develop both heroes and villians. Not just pick one.

We haven't seen Cap in 2 years. Suddenly he is Nomad for fanservice reasons. Even though he is essentially just Captain America still. Where has he been for 2 years? How have his values changed? What are his (or any of the other characters) views on what is going on? Everyone is clearly in a different phase of their life, some people don't even know eachother.

Thank god the first Avengers didn't take this storytelling philosophy, or else the movie would have been the heroes introducing themselves to each other for 10 seconds, and then immediately cutting to the battle of New York.

Every single film needs proper time for character development if you expect us to care about who the pretty. Every single one. Otherwise we don't see any growth in the characters or connect with them. They are just there to punch bad guys.

Without any character, you have no drama, no arcs, no purpose to the film. Its just a big fight scene that lasts 2 hours. But hey, if a Michael Bay thin plot and lots of pretty CGI explosions are all you care about, this is the movie for you.

Just shut your brain off bro!


But no, I agree with you. There were also so many little character interaction moments that I would have liked to have seen developed a little more, like an earth born and raised Star-Lord talking with New Yorkers like Stark, Parker and Strange about things that he might have missed since 1988. Instead we got some quick throw away quips about 80s movies and Footloose. It felt like there were no real "moments" in the movie, like it was just jumping from one scene to the next.

Captain America, Bucky and Black Panther didn't do a damn thing. Best example is that epic moment people hyped up from the trailer where Captain America is grappling with Thanos. When I saw that, I was like "holy ****" but in the actual film it was a second long scene before he's just thrown to the side. The entire movie feels that way. "Characters" like Bruce Banner and Drax are only one note jokes that go nowhere for the entire movie. I just don't get the appeal of something like this. Is just seeing all these different characters in one movie enough for some people? Like, you don't even really care if the movie or characters have any substance as long as their names are all on the marquee and they throw a punch at the big baddie? That's not how the first Avengers was. You didn't need to see Iron Man, Captain America, Thor or the Incredible Hulk to feel like Avengers was cohesive and structured. The movie did that on it's own.

I liked Thanos and his motivations, but there's no reason developing him should come at the expense of everything else. This whole excuse of "well, they've done 18 movies in the past 10 years bro!" doesn't fly. A good movie should be able to stand on it's own. There are NO stakes or consequences in these movies anymore. Spider-Man can turn down the stupid iron spider man suit and being an avenger at the end of the movie, only to completely negate that moment in the next movie by getting the suit and . . . being an Avenger! Thor can get his eye ripped out and get an eye patch, only to get a brand new eye within minutes of the next movie! Captain America, Falcon and Black Widow can be fugitives on the run, only to be accepted as heroes within seconds of their next appearance. It really is like one giant live action cartoon.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

The GOTG humor was irritating to me.

I’m tired of Drax and that rabbit line was used about 4 x too many lol

I absolutely loved the

Thor: This is tree
Groot: I’m Groot
Cap: Hi i’m Steve Rogers

lolz

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

Epic prediction

I think it's the safest, but also the most satisfying way of "killing" those core characters. Cap has already been frozen for 80 years, so they can get rid of him again for a really long time, thus really "killing" him, until one day Chris Evans needs the money.

I guess they can do the same with Tony. Maybe someone else will be Iron Man, and we'll hear Tony's voice as the new Jarvis or something. I do hope that after IW and A4, there are some long term consequences.

 

[Theokan]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

Spoiler

I think they wanted Thanos to be the protagonist in this one if you don't think about whos the good guys or bad guys. The story tells how Thanos succeed in acquiring the six stones, that makes everyone against him the antagonists to this particular story, because of how the story was told. They flipped it around.

I'm not saying it's the most genius innovative thing, but on that one regard it is outside the box, and if you don't accept that then you can view it as flawed, just like anything else that doesn't follow the rules.

I agree that the previous movies had such a huge build up, and this story doesn't touch on any of those subject, it could make us feel like we want some explanation. But like I said earlier Cap and Tony didn't get a chance to meet up in this yet, so Civil War is technically still going on right up to when half the population gets decimated. So I'm Ok with the next one doing the explanation of what went on during Steve's hideout etc.

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[JAWS]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

If it's made by the same people making similar artistic choices, that have permeated this series of movies, it's a very good prediction, completely related to the makers and not to the "unwillingness to like stuff" of the "detractors".

I think you misunderstood me.. It's because of those artistic choices that I doubt DeFabio will enjoy the next film.. Had nothing to do with the other stuff..​

You're supposed to develop both heroes and villians. Not just pick one.

As Jye said, We have had 10 years and a ton of films to get to know our hero's... If we don't know them by now then I don't know what to say.. PLUS this is the first part to a larger story.. You will get your hero moments in the next film I think..

I don't know.. IMO it did a great job of letting us know everything I need to know about all the characters.. ​

We haven't seen Cap in 2 years. Suddenly he is Nomad for fanservice reasons. Even though he is essentially just Captain America still. Where has he been for 2 years? How have his values changed? What are his (or any of the other characters) views on what is going on? Everyone is clearly in a different phase of their life, some people don't even know eachother.

As for Cap.. He was in hiding with Falcon and BW.. Do I need to know what they were doing? I may or may not find out.. I assume we will get a Tony and Cap reunion. I assume they were just laying low... Don't think his values would change.... Probably would not have answered the call if they did. ​

Thank god the first Avengers didn't take this storytelling philosophy, or else the movie would have been the heroes introducing themselves to each other for 10 seconds, and then immediately cutting to the battle of New York.

I agree.. But this is not the first avengers moive.. Its the 3rd.. 4th if you count CW. Again... 10 years of story telling.. We know what we need to know.

Every single film needs proper time for character development if you expect us to care about who the pretty. Every single one. Otherwise we don't see any growth in the characters or connect with them. They are just there to punch bad guys.

I guess if I looked at this film as a vacuum I would agree with you.. If this was to be the only IW film I would really be on board with you.. In the last 10 min I began to worry I was going to be extremely disappointed.. I thought if they beat Thanos it would have been a big mess of a film.. But since its a two part series it makes all the sense in the world.. This was a film not about our hero's.. It was about the Villain..

Comic books do it all the time.. Dedicate one or two issues to just the villain with very little hero moments.. That is what this film did.. Its why the MCU has done it right for the most part.. It has been comic books brought to the big screen.

Without any character, you have no drama, no arcs, no purpose to the film. Its just a big fight scene that lasts 2 hours. But hey, if a Michael Bay thin plot and lots of pretty CGI explosions are all you care about, this is the movie for you

Not counting IW
7 film with Tony Stark (more but I am not counting films like Hulk)
5 films with Cap
5 films with Thor
5 films with Black WIdow
4 films with Hulk
2 with the GotG
2 with Spidey
2 with Black Panther
1 with Dr. Strange


If you can't care for this characters by now then Marvel has failed and these films are not for you.

Again I will point out.. This was not their film.. It was Thanos' film.. This is the first part to a larger story.


I will say that if the next film fails at being good then this film will ultimately be a failure. Not because this film is bad per say but because it means the story itself will be a failure.

Personally I have a hard time even rating this film because it is so incomplete... But its greatness hinges on part 2. As is, it's a brilliant first act. Had not other films come before it I would agree about the character development. But that is not the case.

 

[Star-Crunch]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

Seeing it again later today but not exactly happy about it.

 

[Chakor]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

Regarding the whole no time for development thing with characters like Cap, Widow, etc. and needing development for every single character, the problem is that the very nature of a crossover film always stands in the way of balancing out all of the characters. I've said it before but we were very lucky that the first Avengers managed to pull that off quite well. Here on the other hand, since we have about five times more characters, the ability to pull this film off in the same way the original Avengers did was pretty much "dead on arrival". We saw glimpses of how sloppy these films could get with AoU and CW.

Now, if you really wanted every character treated like this was their own movie, I take it you also wanted the film to run for six hours - and this is the big problem I have with films like Civil War and BvS - they spend so much time "developing" the characters that it just gets boring and when the action finally happens, it's too much. Now, before I get tarred and feathered, I am absolutely not saying that because this is a huge crossover film that it's allowed to neglect character development, but what I am saying is that, at the end of the day, it's really a game of pick your poison - sit through six hours of boredom or have the development thrown away at the expense of Bayformers-esque action scenes.

I personally wasn't offended or bothered by the lack of development for the heroes, especially since I got what I wanted with Thanos, but as I've said before - it's pick your poison.

But what do I know? Even though I didn't love the film and had my issues with it, I'm sure I'm just some fanboy with horrible taste in film and no standards. Oh what would I do without the almighty Film Gods of SSF here to tell me what makes a truly great film?

 

[crows]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

The movie was so bad....

It made didabio come back from retirement to this wretched hellhole to post deranged walls of text arguing the truth, and nothing but the truth.

Therefore getting his last ban.
Godspeed warrior of truth. You fought the good fight

 

[Sassafras]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

You're supposed to develop both heroes and villians. Not just pick one.

We haven't seen Cap in 2 years. Suddenly he is Nomad for fanservice reasons. Even though he is essentially just Captain America still. Where has he been for 2 years? How have his values changed? What are his (or any of the other characters) views on what is going on? Everyone is clearly in a different phase of their life, some people don't even know eachother.

Thank god the first Avengers didn't take this storytelling philosophy, or else the movie would have been the heroes introducing themselves to each other for 10 seconds, and then immediately cutting to the battle of New York.

Every single film needs proper time for character development if you expect us to care about who the pretty. Every single one. Otherwise we don't see any growth in the characters or connect with them. They are just there to punch bad guys.

Without any character, you have no drama, no arcs, no purpose to the film. Its just a big fight scene that lasts 2 hours. But hey, if a Michael Bay thin plot and lots of pretty CGI explosions are all you care about, this is the movie for you.

Agree. And breathing room for well known characters is just good writing/character transition. Like the abrupt Cap/Bucky reunion. No, it didn't need to be wallowed in. But do I have to INTERPOLATE that Cap may or may not have had contact with his best friend before that scene, and ISN'T surprised by a gold and vibranium arm or Bucky even being awake at all? What about Nat and Sam? Rhodey? Banner wasn't even around for CW.

Guess I gotta INTERPOLATE that T'challa and Bucky had already turned Bucky nto some sort of Wakanda guardian when a new arm shows up. Guess I gotta INTERPOLATE about M'baku and T'challa (because I may or may not have seen BP).

IMO this film was off-balance. But lots of Thanos, lots of Thor, lots of space battle. There was time for Peter to cry and Thor to get an eyeball. Russos emphasized what they wanted I guess. Like Taika Waititi and the abrupt dismissal of the Warriors 3. Was Valkyrie in this? Hafta try to look for the missing.

 

[loki2371]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

I think you misunderstood me.. It's because of those artistic choices that I doubt DeFabio will enjoy the next film.. Had nothing to do with the other stuff..




As Jye said, We have had 10 years and a ton of films to get to know our hero's... If we don't know them by now then I don't know what to say.. PLUS this is the first part to a larger story.. You will get your hero moments in the next film I think..

I don't know.. IMO it did a great job of letting us know everything I need to know about all the characters.. ​

As for Cap.. He was in hiding with Falcon and BW.. Do I need to know what they were doing? I may or may not find out.. I assume we will get a Tony and Cap reunion. I assume they were just laying low... Don't think his values would change.... Probably would not have answered the call if they did. ​

I agree.. But this is not the first avengers moive.. Its the 3rd.. 4th if you count CW. Again... 10 years of story telling.. We know what we need to know.


I guess if I looked at this film as a vacuum I would agree with you.. If this was to be the only IW film I would really be on board with you.. In the last 10 min I began to worry I was going to be extremely disappointed.. I thought if they beat Thanos it would have been a big mess of a film.. But since its a two part series it makes all the sense in the world.. This was a film not about our hero's.. It was about the Villain..

Comic books do it all the time.. Dedicate one or two issues to just the villain with very little hero moments.. That is what this film did.. Its why the MCU has done it right for the most part.. It has been comic books brought to the big screen.



Not counting IW
7 film with Tony Stark (more but I am not counting films like Hulk)
5 films with Cap
5 films with Thor
5 films with Black WIdow
4 films with Hulk
2 with the GotG
2 with Spidey
2 with Black Panther
1 with Dr. Strange


If you can't care for this characters by now then Marvel has failed and these films are not for you.

Again I will point out.. This was not their film.. It was Thanos' film.. This is the first part to a larger story.


I will say that if the next film fails at being good then this film will ultimately be a failure. Not because this film is bad per say but because it means the story itself will be a failure.

Personally I have a hard time even rating this film because it is so incomplete... But its greatness hinges on part 2. As is, it's a brilliant first act. Had not other films come before it I would agree about the character development. But that is not the case.

I pretty much agree with everything you said.

These are movies, not TV episodes where mere hours/days pass. Sometimes it is years that pass. I don't need to see every day of their life leading up to this event. That is an impossible task with these movies. That's what the stand alone movies are for, not the big "event" movies that bring every one together.

Even in many TV shows there are episodes that don't focus on character development. That's what the MCU is. A LONG drawn out story over the past 10 years & 17 previous movies all leading up to IW. That's why it is the 1st of it's kind and nearly every movie studio is trying to follow. It's a movie Universe where all movies are interconnected. If a viewer chooses to ignore some/most of the "episodes" and jump into the final battle but doesn't understand stuff, then that's on them. Doesn't make sense to complain you don't know who/where the characters are emotionally. It's like being a fan of Game Thrones, but only watching the highest rated episodes and then saying you don't understand whats going on.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - (April 27, 2018)

I think it's the safest, but also the most satisfying way of "killing" those core characters. Cap has already been frozen for 80 years, so they can get rid of him again for a really long time, thus really "killing" him, until one day Chris Evans needs the money.

I guess they can do the same with Tony. Maybe someone else will be Iron Man, and we'll hear Tony's voice as the new Jarvis or something. I do hope that after IW and A4, there are some long term consequences.

Damn you’re killing it.

That would be so poignant if that’s how he lived on.

He would become Vision.

I think you misunderstood me.. It's because of those artistic choices that I doubt DeFabio will enjoy the next film.. Had nothing to do with the other stuff..




As Jye said, We have had 10 years and a ton of films to get to know our hero's... If we don't know them by now then I don't know what to say.. PLUS this is the first part to a larger story.. You will get your hero moments in the next film I think..

I don't know.. IMO it did a great job of letting us know everything I need to know about all the characters.. ​

As for Cap.. He was in hiding with Falcon and BW.. Do I need to know what they were doing? I may or may not find out.. I assume we will get a Tony and Cap reunion. I assume they were just laying low... Don't think his values would change.... Probably would not have answered the call if they did. ​

I agree.. But this is not the first avengers moive.. Its the 3rd.. 4th if you count CW. Again... 10 years of story telling.. We know what we need to know.


I guess if I looked at this film as a vacuum I would agree with you.. If this was to be the only IW film I would really be on board with you.. In the last 10 min I began to worry I was going to be extremely disappointed.. I thought if they beat Thanos it would have been a big mess of a film.. But since its a two part series it makes all the sense in the world.. This was a film not about our hero's.. It was about the Villain..

Comic books do it all the time.. Dedicate one or two issues to just the villain with very little hero moments.. That is what this film did.. Its why the MCU has done it right for the most part.. It has been comic books brought to the big screen.



Not counting IW
7 film with Tony Stark (more but I am not counting films like Hulk)
5 films with Cap
5 films with Thor
5 films with Black WIdow
4 films with Hulk
2 with the GotG
2 with Spidey
2 with Black Panther
1 with Dr. Strange


If you can't care for this characters by now then Marvel has failed and these films are not for you.

Again I will point out.. This was not their film.. It was Thanos' film.. This is the first part to a larger story.


I will say that if the next film fails at being good then this film will ultimately be a failure. Not because this film is bad per say but because it means the story itself will be a failure.

Personally I have a hard time even rating this film because it is so incomplete... But its greatness hinges on part 2. As is, it's a brilliant first act. Had not other films come before it I would agree about the character development. But that is not the case.

Yes yes and more yes

You were so right about RDJ too he elevates everyone that interacts with him that guy is a god lol