AVP:Requiem - SPOILER THREAD

[p!tu]

I would love to see what the Strause would have done if the had everything the y needed and FOX of there back!

 

[IrishJedi]

In many ways, having humans in movies like these is a crutch and a lazy cop-out at this point. At the end of the day, it's all about good STORYTELLING. And you don't need dialogue at all to tell an awesome, entertaining story in a visual medium.

A human-free Aliens vs Predator movie could indeed be done, but it would require balls on Fox's part, a great script, and a gifted visual director. Sadly, none of those is ever likely to happen with this franchise. So we'd better get used to this same generic formula.

 

[p!tu]

They need to try and make on with no humans at all!! (omg but there would be no dialog) Who cares! CONAN anyone! that movie had 3 pieces of script and that was it! Mako did most of the talking narrating and the score did most of the job! if any conversation needs to take place thats what sub titles are for!

 

[Ultimate Weapon]

One of the biggest things that bothers me about the AVP movies is that it happens in present day. Is it just too costly for the film to be set in the future as the original Alien flicks were? It just makes more sense and it would actually allow the humans to have a bit more of a purpose/effect; not to mention it would be a lot cooler to see a squad of colonial marines brought into the battle.

Did anyone read the Dark Horse Aliens vs Predator mini-series from the mid 90's? It wasn't the best story ever, but it was much more the type of story I would expect from an AVP movie. Basically a human settlement colony stumbles upon an Alien hive. Enter the usual confusion, followed by a downed Predator ship which they explore and find an unconscious survivor. Aliens hit the colony and the humans and sole Predator survivor have to stand together against hoards of Aliens until reinforcements, from both sides, show. Like I said, it isn't Shakespeare, but it still has a bit more substance.

Anyway, I won't catch this one until it's out on DVD. I paid to see the first one in the theater and it wasn't worth it. While this one does appear to have more mindless violence and mayhem, I don't think it will be any more satisfactory to me than the first. It's too bad too. Aliens and Predator both had great starts. Now they've become the sci-fi equivalent of Freddy vs. Jason.

 

[Bardoon]

Did anyone read the Dark Horse Aliens vs Predator mini-series from the mid 90's? It wasn't the best story ever, but it was much more the type of story I would expect from an AVP movie. Basically a human settlement colony stumbles upon an Alien hive. Enter the usual confusion, followed by a downed Predator ship which they explore and find an unconscious survivor. Aliens hit the colony and the humans and sole Predator survivor have to stand together against hoards of Aliens until reinforcements, from both sides, show. Like I said, it isn't Shakespeare, but it still has a bit more substance.

I read that, actually I first ended up reading the book version of the story before I actually read the original comic one. The book actually gives you a bit more perspective from Broken Tusk than the comic. But I agree with you all the way, that story there was pretty much the way I'd like to see AVP done.

I actually read it through the Dark Horse OMNIBUS trade paperbacks that they've been releasing lately. I got AvP Volume 1 & 2,Aliens Volume 1 (Volume 2 is on the way from Amazon, that one just came out) and Predator Volume 1. They all have some pretty good stories (and art...on some of them) for those interested.

 

[The Mike]

In many ways, having humans in movies like these is a crutch and a lazy cop-out at this point. At the end of the day, it's all about good STORYTELLING. And you don't need dialogue at all to tell an awesome, entertaining story in a visual medium.

This is absolutely true. Anyone remember the film "Castaway"? Tom Hanks and crew did a spectacular job with extremely minimal dialogue and still told a story that was powerful and revelant. If the writers of a film really sat down and thought how to make this story visually informative they could really knock a homerun with these films....

 

[Jamal]

I think these guys arent creative enough to have the Predators/Aliens as the lead role. They need humans as the leads and the Alien/Preds as the side story to make a normal film that everyone will watch and understand. For them to have minimal dialogue it would be too hard for the morons fox always hire.

 

[screamingmetal]

I saw it yesterday, it was better then I thought it would be. Still, much better then the first one but it had no suspense since both the Pred, Predalien, and Aliens were introduced at the very beginning. Unfortunately in order to tell this story, they had to show them much more then this type of film needed them to appear. I also noticed how just about everything in this was a homage to the other Alien and Predator films that it almost became a spoof of them. Not much in originality here.

And what is it with the current mentality of having all modern horror films have F--in' teenagers in them? At least they all died off fairly quick. Even though it was a blatant Aliens Ripley and Newt ripoff with the War Vet mom and her kid, I'd much rather have the whole movie about them then the brothers.

I was a bit disappointed in the Predalien's special ability. I wanted to have it be exactly like the Alien in the "Director's Cut" of the first Alien having them entombed and turned into eggs themselves. It would've made a nice complete circular connection with the first film.

I think the Predalien's special ability pretty much made that Predator book's description of Predator sexuality cannon. That is, there are no Female Predators, they are all hermaphrodites that reproduce by vomiting in each other's throats. I think since the Alien species takes on the host's characteristics, that is what it got from the Pred's gene pool and what made it special. Not that I have a problem with it but I suspect it's going to upset Adambomboi since he hates the idea.

 

[AdamBombOi]

...or you know, it could be that Scar was impregnated with a female. Gee, the damn thing did have a crown, like a Queen.

I don't remember who said it, or where, but, and I'm paraphrasing here, if these creatures were meant to be female, or hermaphroditic then the movies would point it out because audiences are that stupid.

Humans designed the creatures and gave them human characteristics, which SO FAR has been in the image of a male. When we see a female, it'll have swollen breasts and wide hips. The end.

EDIT:

1. The directors and Crom refer to him as "he" several times on here/IMDB. I'm not gonna dig it up for you but it's there. I remember because they also refer to Chet as she.
2. There was never really any intent or subtle hints on showing that Wolf or any of the preds are even female. It's kind of an unspoken thing that you should already expect they are male based on their humanoid male builds.

-WolfBoy from the AVP Galaxy forum, said all that needed to be.

 

[Jamal]

I think the Pred Alien was a queen wasnt it? i read somewhere that it was

 

[bagelsncheesey]

I think these guys arent creative enough to have the Predators/Aliens as the lead role. They need humans as the leads and the Alien/Preds as the side story to make a normal film that everyone will watch and understand. For them to have minimal dialogue it would be too hard for the morons fox always hire.

The morons are at Fox genius, not the directors. Lets see you make an amazing film with a small wad of cash and no creative direction or allowance of creativity from Fox. AVP:R was really well done for what it was, and for what they were allowed to do with it.

 

[Jamal]

Its been proven before you dont need a big wad of cash to make an awesome film

IE Terminator? and you know what it still doesnt change the fact that the movies are flops

BOX OFFICE TAKINGS VERIFY THIS.

 

[bagelsncheesey]

Its been proven before you dont need a big wad of cash to make an awesome film

IE Terminator? and you know what it still doesnt change the fact that the movies are flops

BOX OFFICE TAKINGS VERIFY THIS.

First off, comparing a movie from 1984 with a budget of over 6 million isn't really making a point. AVR:R's budget was roughly what, $40 to $45 million (AVP's was $60 million), and it's been over 20 years since the Terminator. Take technology's change from then to now and incorporate that into a movie budget. Take the stars that were in Terminator then and take the stars that are in AVP:R now. You can't compare the two. If Fox gave AVP:R a larger budget, they would have better CG and a better cast (or at least been able shove more money into CG). I mean Jesus, take a lame ass movie like... Dr. Dolittle 2 for example. The budget for that movie was $72 million... $72 million. Opening weekend it made over $25 million, and by the end of it's run in theaters it made over $112 million. Don't tell me that a wad of cash from Fox, which has plenty of cash, wouldn't help AVP:R's result.

 

[woodsy]

The morons are at Fox genius, not the directors. Lets see you make an amazing film with a small wad of cash and no creative direction or allowance of creativity from Fox. AVP:R was really well done for what it was, and for what they were allowed to do with it.

While I certainly agree Fox should take a large share of the blame for this piece of garbage, I don't see anything from their resumes that qualifies the Strausse Bros. as legitimate directors. I have no doubt they took on this project knowing full well it was with a very limited budget and no creative control. Since they probably got the job in the first place because they were willing to work for peanuts, they could have just walked away. I suspect the only reason they didn't was because it gave them the opportunity to get their first movie directing credit.

While I certainly don't have anything good to say about Fox and their treatment of this newest "Freddy vs Jason" franchise they've created, ultimately whose to blame for this mess? ....Fox, or the dummies willing pay Fox to watch this garbage. I loved how in the days just before and after this movies release some guys were slamming the movie critics for their reviews of the movie...hell some some of those reviews were more entertaining than the movie Like somehow the critics were to blame because they had the nerve to give their honest assessment of the movie. As far as I'm concerning the most scathing review of this movie came weeks before the opening when Fox announced they wouldn't allow the critic's to see advanced screenings. Fox knew this movie was crap and so did everyone who knows why studios resort to this practice. But the theatres were full opening day with moviegoers who don't care a whole lot about good screenplays, directing, or acting. Seems most people just wanted to see aliens fighting predators, with everything else just being window dressing. Well many of you got your wish and came away very happy. But to me it's kind of like someone offering to make you a s**t sandwich and instead of being outraged, you thank them and ask for seconds. Bottom line, ss long as people keep supporting Fox for this type of garbage, they're gonna keep on giving it to us

 

[bidge1000]

well,


I just got back from seeing this great monster flick, (and remember folks, that's all we're talking here!) and I thought it was brilliant. To the point where I'm at the opinion that it was actually better than Predator 2.

The lone predator in this movie was badass and would probably have skinned Danny Glover in Act 1.

Now...... Can anyone tell me the relevance of the lady at the end? did I miss something, I know that was the twist but I didn't catch it.
PS,
saw Sweeney Todd yesterday and can't get over how awesome it was. Stop argueing about a fun B Movie and go and take in a Real Piece Of Art!!!

D

 

[Jamal]

Well many of you got your wish and came away very happy. But to me it's kind of like someone offering to make you a s**t sandwich and instead of being outraged, you thank them and ask for seconds. Bottom line, ss long as people keep supporting Fox for this type of garbage, they're gonna keep on giving it to us

Couldnt have said it any better

 

[BadMoon]

well,


I just got back from seeing this great monster flick, (and remember folks, that's all we're talking here!) and I thought it was brilliant. To the point where I'm at the opinion that it was actually better than Predator 2.

The lone predator in this movie was badass and would probably have skinned Danny Glover in Act 1.

Now...... Can anyone tell me the relevance of the lady at the end? did I miss something, I know that was the twist but I didn't catch it.
PS,
saw Sweeney Todd yesterday and can't get over how awesome it was. Stop argueing about a fun B Movie and go and take in a Real Piece Of Art!!!

D

I am not getting into the whole Weyland thing. However, I will agree with you on both movies. They were great! I can't wait to buy them both.

 

[BadMoon]

Couldnt have said it any better

Honestly, Jamal if he didn't know what he was going into before he went than that is his fault. Telling someone who has a different opinion is eating a **** sandwich is dumb.

 

[abnpredator]

I just have to chuckle when people get pissed that these types of movies "suck" and "could be so much better"... I gotta wonder; are you the same types who are looking to see an Oscar Award winner or something?

Sorry, it's just beyond me how someone could find a reason to criticize a movie meant merely to make you drool in astonishment of it's CGI coolness.

Already saw this movie once, I plan on seeing it again in all of it's cinematic badass-ness tomorrow as well.

 

[AdamBombOi]

**** yeah ABN! I loved the movie, seen it three wonderful times!