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Re: Batgirl - Written, Directed and Produced by Joss Whedon

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Re: Batgirl - Written, Directed and Produced by Joss Whedon

I don't know if I agree with some of the statements. I didn't really grow up with comic books, but I will admit that Batgirl became one of my immediate favorite heroes. She had a relationship that was so different opposed to any Robin, she was free-spirited and sometimes it seems she is the person that anchored Bruce. Killing Joke is definitely my favorite, because while it is fun to just have a "for the **** of it" villain, some of Joker's "pranks" really just seem pretty weak. I think Killing Joke established Joker as Batman's main villain. The reason I say that is because: 1) Batman in this case, created Joker. I mean, if Batman hadn't of freaked him out, he wouldn't have fallen into the vat of acid. 2) It put Batman in a situation similar to Jason, however, it really shows the damage. We see Bruce, whom subjectively is perceived to have had a relationship of some sort with Barbara, but it kills her as Batgirl. Sure she gets to live, but at what expense? No longer being able to walk? 3) It is a moment where Batman is truly ready to kill the Joker.

Joker has this incredible personality, where you assume he's some psychotic loser; but realistically he is an intelligent psycho. He generally has just as many contingency plans as Batman, the guy is absolutely sadistic. His actions are often behind a motive, some silly like Joker fish; but others are just to push people over the edge, like Gordon and Batman in TKJ. It really does beg the question and is philosophical, honestly -- what could have stopped Bruce from being some psycho instead? He just as easily could have become a serial killer, even if it is simply to be an anti-hero.

I agree that TKJ has become a bit overrated, but I think it is an incredible piece of work. It is quite annoying in the canon timeline, considering we have her paralyzed, and New 52 implants a chip to make her walk, and now she's some young college student trying to deal with some quarter-life crisis. While it did ruin Barbara, to me, Killing Joke was always between Batman and Joker.

I think Bruce being Batman is a lose-lose situation. It's classic chicken and the egg scenario, did Batman create his villains, or would the villains exist regardless of Batman. But after already donning the cowl, he pretty much has to stick to that life, there is no way for him to really leave that life. He always needs to come back, because it has become has obligation. Probably why I like his character, because no matter how much good Bruce tries to obtain, it is always overshadowed with anger and bitterness. It's why he can never evolve as a person, why no matter how many friends or love interests he has, nothing can substitute his duty as the dark knight.


Any-who -- My hope for the film is that we get a post Killing Joke Barbara. Maybe she's in it again after Superman, and maybe she kept away from Bruce because of everything -- death of Robin, his "killing" brutal form of vigilantism, and just his angered self. I think her coming back into the field will give some doubt to her donning the cape and cowl again. Plus would fit any form of story structure of her doubting her abilities after her trauma with Joker. I don't want it to be some PTSD bull, I want it to actually shiver her bones, and I think Joker would be the perfect villain. It's why she is so doubtful, and honestly, I think Leto was judged to pre-maturely. I honestly think he could steal the whole show, but it just takes people to see it from his perspective, and some better writing.

Truthfully, I mainly just came in here to say hope Stone gets the role lol. I think she'd be perfect for Babs.
 
Re: Batgirl - Written, Directed and Produced by Joss Whedon

Making someone watch Jared Leto's Señor ****** canoe in an adaptation of The Killing Joke would be like making them watch the video tape from the Ring. Mother****ers would literally die from the ****tiness; their brains couldn't handle how terrible it would be, and they would cease to function. After a trip to the hospital in the back of an ambulance, several months on life support, and tearful goodbyes from family members, as they decide to pull the plug and let them drift off, it just wouldn't be worth it. Too much money wasted by everyone. All those mounting hospital bills, the inevitable lawsuits against Warner Bros. for damages, Leto would literally become a liability; unemployable by any studio, and that would be the only good thing to come out of such a horrid scenario.:lol
 
Re: Batgirl - Written, Directed and Produced by Joss Whedon

Making someone watch Jared Leto's Señor ****** canoe in an adaptation of The Killing Joke would be like making them watch the video tape from the Ring. Mother****ers would literally die from the ****tiness; their brains couldn't handle how terrible it would be, and they would cease to function. After a trip to the hospital in the back of an ambulance, several months on life support, and tearful goodbyes from family members, as they decide to pull the plug and let them drift off, it just wouldn't be worth it. Too much money wasted by everyone. All those mounting hospital bills, the inevitable lawsuits against Warner Bros. for damages, Leto would literally become a liability; unemployable by any studio, and that would be the only good thing to come out of such a horrid scenario.:lol

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Re: Batgirl - Written, Directed and Produced by Joss Whedon

Leto's joker seems like a joker that would abuse someone
He seems like that kind of ******
 
Re: Batgirl - Written, Directed and Produced by Joss Whedon

My ideal Batman is a dude who spends all day in his Batsuit in the Batcave, smelling like guano, because he's a ****ing nutjob informed by the trauma that befell him as a boi. He doesn't want to move on because breaking a poor, poverty stricken, criminal's jaw while running around in a Halloween costume in the middle of summer is just too damn fun.

A healed Bruce Wayne is not Batman at all.
 
Re: Batgirl - Written, Directed and Produced by Joss Whedon

Not really. He played a good villain, but that was just a guy dressed in purple with weird and annoying mannerisms. Was that Joker? Sure; but to me he was just some bad guy. Different strokes, for different folks as they say. I grew up with Jack, but he played it way too cartoony, as Ledger was trying too hard on mental illness.
 
Re: Batgirl - Written, Directed and Produced by Joss Whedon

man, the movie section is depressing lately. :lol

eclipse have everyone grumpy?
 
Re: Batgirl - Written, Directed and Produced by Joss Whedon

Not really. He played a good villain, but that was just a guy dressed in purple with weird and annoying mannerisms. Was that Joker? Sure; but to me he was just some bad guy. Different strokes, for different folks as they say. I grew up with Jack, but he played it way too cartoony, as Ledger was trying too hard on mental illness.

What u said about jack and ledger is fine, a little accurate even.

Leto joker was too edgy and too gangsta. Take the make up off and he literally becomes this guy...



Cliche over the top gangsta scarface wannabe joker
 
Re: Batgirl - Written, Directed and Produced by Joss Whedon

Fat Jack was best Joker (live action).


If Joker isn't occasionally wearing his trademark fedora/trench coat, doesn't have bleached skin and green hair/fingernails and doesn't kill people with Joker gas that leaves them with a rictus grin, he's not the Joker.
 
Re: Batgirl - Written, Directed and Produced by Joss Whedon

If the joker is not threatening or hurting a gir in some way, hes not the joker lol
 
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Re: Batgirl - Written, Directed and Produced by Joss Whedon

Jack was one of the best Jokers because he had the best balance. He was funny, he was creepy, he was lethal. Whereas others have only either captured some facets of that spectrum. Ledger portrayed the sinister psychopath with ease, and, in many ways, he did reflect those earliest incarnations of the character.

I would say Romero was up there, as well, though. He was a bit more "fun" than "funeral," but I would argue that that is more a limitation of the show he was used in, even if I wouldn't have had it any other way.:lol He still was a sinister plotter, always scheming to bring down Batman and Robin, and, in terms of the sheer diversity of his various criminal escapades, from armed robbery to kidnapping to, considering the manner in which their dehydrated henchmen met their demise, at the very least, manslaughter, I would, indeed, argue that he was a true "Clown Prince of Crime." Plus, he was always cool as hell, and he had the ladies to show for it.:lol
 
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but that was just a guy dressed in purple with weird and annoying mannerisms.
 
Re: Batgirl - Written, Directed and Produced by Joss Whedon

Making someone watch Jared Leto's Señor ****** canoe in an adaptation of The Killing Joke would be like making them watch the video tape from the Ring. Mother****ers would literally die from the ****tiness; their brains couldn't handle how terrible it would be, and they would cease to function. After a trip to the hospital in the back of an ambulance, several months on life support, and tearful goodbyes from family members, as they decide to pull the plug and let them drift off, it just wouldn't be worth it. Too much money wasted by everyone. All those mounting hospital bills, the inevitable lawsuits against Warner Bros. for damages, Leto would literally become a liability; unemployable by any studio, and that would be the only good thing to come out of such a horrid scenario.:lol

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to batfan08 again.
 
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