Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

Collector Freaks Forum

Help Support Collector Freaks Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
I just did a Google search on how many times has superman killed. In the main continuity it was the three villains in an alternate reality. Other than than there really are no other true killings listed. He blew up a star eater and sent some villains somewhere they might have died but other than exposing kryptonite to an alternate Zod that's about it. So I don't know where this belief comes from that he kills all the time.
 
I know that synopsis claims Batman is testing him, but that isn't the vibe I'm getting so far. Batman is asking if he bleeds, he's telling Alfred that he needs to be destroyed. That doesn't sound like a test.


Unless it is some kind of tough guy act and the big reveal is "I was just testing you bro". Then again, maybe it's a bit of both. The description for this new Batman is that he is a world weary, cynical, burn out at the end of his rope. Maybe he's trying to pull a Pa Kent throughout the movie so Superman kills him? Then when he doesn't, Batman plays the "it was just a prank, I was testing you, lol".


Fab! you are in too deep, get out now while there is still time!

:lol
 
I just did a Google search on how many times has superman killed. In the main continuity it was the three villains in an alternate reality. Other than than there really are no other true killings listed. He blew up a star eater and sent some villains somewhere they might have died but other than exposing kryptonite to an alternate Zod that's about it. So I don't know where this belief comes from that he kills all the time.

In Superman #1 we see Superman throw a man who was questioning some soldiers off a cliff and destroy an enemy plane.

47jleys.jpg



Here Superman blows up a munitions factory in broad daylight, there had to be dozens of workers in there if not more. Next we see Clark Kent put three criminals on trial and he even takes the stand against them in Court to secure the death sentence for all three of them. Superman is apparently pro death penalty and he does it all to impress Lois Lane, not from any burning desire to see justice done.

ZP1vecr.jpg


Superman allowing a domestic terrorist to die by his own toxic creation while he begs for help and Superman stands by and actually torments the would be terrorist as he is choking to death.
QIuQniJ.jpg


Superman catching a bomb dropped by an aircraft, that's certainly heroic enough. Until he throws the bomb back at the aircraft, destroying it. And in the next panel we see Superman sabotage a criminals brake system while they're driving down a mountain. Superman then escapes with Lois while the two occupants plummet to their deaths.
mZJbjLB.jpg


Superman #6 when two cars fall off a mountain, one works for The Daily Planet and the other is a car full of criminals. It's an easy guess who Superman saves but he is not the least bit conflicted by the criminals deaths, Superman even says "A well deserved fate!" while scanning the fiery wreckage. The next panel is an especially interesting one.

A cunning citizen discovers Superman's identity and tries to blackmail Superman. What was Superman's response you might be wondering, "Hasn't it occurred to you that I could snap your neck with these fingers and I'd never have to worry about being exposed!". Needless to say, the citizen is terrified and he runs for his life with Clark Kent in pursuit. The citizen gets to a flight of stairs and declares that he knows Superman's identity but Clark Kent manages to get in front of the man and then the man mysteriously tumbles down the stairs and dies before he can spill Clark Kent's secret. Whether Clark Kent pushed him down the stairs or not is not clear so it's up to you to decide but it is an extremely convenient accident.
26BIJ6Y.jpg


a would be assassins bullet ricochets off a wall and kills himself and the ever altruistic Superman quips "A murderer's fate!". When Superman rushes to a building it is blown up by a demolition crew yet for some inexplicable reason, Superman catches some falling steel and throws it directly on top of some innocent bystanders. The caption says that Superman threw the debris in an empty lot but you can clearly see it squashes two civilians. The civilians are even screaming "NO, NO!".
K88DqN9.jpg


Superman #8. We see Superman scout out a hidden army consisting of at least two platoons, so Superman takes it upon himself to kill every living person he found there. Superman even says that there's "Not a soul left alive - except for myself!".

NkI0Nx7.jpg


Action Comics #585 and most people who argue that Superman never kills, regularly quote a frame from these pages entirely out of context to support their own argument of Superman's stubborn refusal to kill. "Nobody has the right to kill. Not Mxzyptlk, not you, not Superman... especially not Superman!". But what they never disclose is that Superman had literally just murdered Mxzyptlk on the previous page, Superman actually said to him, "That's right Mxzyptlk, time to die!".
eA5UweJ.jpg



In Superman #82 Superman killed or destroyed Hank Henshaw and although Hank Henshaw was a sentient cyborg, he still had a consciousness, he still possessed Hank Henshaw's mind and thoughts. This is an often used and abused, creative 'out' for Superman, to have him fight robots but even this is inconsistent. Superman has trashed and destroyed countless cyborgs and sentient robots over the years yet we know for a fact that Superman values artificial intelligence as a legitimate form of life. Superman has even held funerals for Red Tornado and Tomorrow Woman.
6RfIQu3.jpg


Action Comics #805. Superman breaks Zod's neck again although apparently not quite enough to kill him but Zod charges straight back into battle and Superman viciously elbows Zod in his stomach and Zod literally drops dea
sgUnc0T.jpg


Superman #03, In an attempt to free a hostage from an alien sentience, Superman unleashes the full power of his heat vision upon her alien form expecting to kill her, Superman even begs for forgiveness as he does it and while he ultimately doesn't kill her, Superman did fully intend to end her life for the greater good.
5vM4UhC.jpg


Here Superman is mercilessly dealing with Darkseid's force of parademons who are undoubtedly 'living' and 'breathing' creatures in Justice League #3
Rdzgm0L.jpg
 
Hey at least Zod was talking after his butt whooping, and other than the parade one your other examples were ancient Superman continuity before the comics code and alternate reality stories. The article I saw referred to the Byrne reboot.
 
Hey at least Zod was talking after his butt whooping, and other than the parade one your other examples were ancient Superman continuity before the comics code and alternate reality stories. The article I saw referred to the Byrne reboot.

First of all. Those weren't accidents and I also posted comics after the comics code. And they don't take place in alternate realities.

Zod wasn't talking here :lol

d2kxp4f.jpg

Superman also saw fit to kill an entirely human General Zod in Superman 2. Non jumped to his own death, Lois sent Ursa to her death and Superman and Lois both seemed very happy about how things played out.

There is no way Zod survived having every bone in his hand broken, being thrown 20ft across a room by Superman into a solid wall and falling another 40ft (at least) and being submerged in freezing waters with a shattered hand. Ursa screamed for 3 seconds as she was falling with no discernible impact, it simply was not a survivable situation.

Now I know what you're thinking, the deleted scene that showed the trio being arrested contradicts the original conclusion but that scene was cut from the final cut for a reason. It was nonsensical, why would there be police at the Fortress of Solitude? Even the Richard Donner cut which most people would agree is the 'intended cut', neglected to include that particular scene.
 
Those guys fell into a pit of steam how do you know that there was not some magical crystal world where life is beautiful under the rule of Zod?
 
First of all. Those weren't accidents and I also posted comics after the comics code. And they don't take place in alternate realities.

Zod wasn't talking here :lol

Superman also saw fit to kill an entirely human General Zod in Superman 2. Non jumped to his own death, Lois sent Ursa to her death and Superman and Lois both seemed very happy about how things played out.

There is no way Zod survived having every bone in his hand broken, being thrown 20ft across a room by Superman into a solid wall and falling another 40ft (at least) and being submerged in freezing waters with a shattered hand. Ursa screamed for 3 seconds as she was falling with no discernible impact, it simply was not a survivable situation.

Now I know what you're thinking, the deleted scene that showed the trio being arrested contradicts the original conclusion but that scene was cut from the final cut for a reason. It was nonsensical, why would there be police at the Fortress of Solitude? Even the Richard Donner cut which most people would agree is the 'intended cut', neglected to include that particular scene.


How did we know they died? They fell into mist. For all we know, they're imprisoned in the Fortress of Solitude if we disregard the deleted scene.

It's certainly not as conclusive as say, a neck break. :lol
 
Nah, I always viewed them as falling into an abyss to their deaths.

How do you know though? That place was magical! Superman went into some BS chamber that made him lose his powers, then later, somehow reversed it so the three Kryptonians lost theirs. How does sliding down some ice into mist like an amusement park ride = death?

Besides, why would Superman want to kill them if they were mortal? He didn't kill Luthor.
 
Back
Top