Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

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I used to think Keaton was a bad casting as well, for a long time, I no longer do. But it's completely fair if anyone thinks so, everybody and their grandma though Keaton was a mistake when they found out, if I remember correctly Tim Burton compared it to the backlash of Ben Affleck.
 
Without a doubt I would never have picked him. He's not very tall, not very big, curly hair....and yet he was damn cool in the suit.
 
Yeah, all that is true. That's what I meant when I said I like it for what it is. I still think the best thing about that film, and probably most of Burton's films for that matter, is the style and look of the city and the characters. I didn't mind Keaton's lack of mobility because in my mind it made him seem like he was such a skilled martial artist, that he didn't need to do much in order to win a fight and beat an opponent....or maybe that's just nostalgia talking.

I was an amateur fighter. I can tell you from many humbling training experiences that when someone outclasses you in every way, they can whup your ass with very little effort or movement. So I had no problem with Keaton Batman not doing backflips and roundhouses. He really didn't need to.
 
I was an amateur fighter. I can tell you from many humbling training experiences that when someone outclasses you in every way, they can whup your ass with very little effort or movement. So I had no problem with Keaton Batman not doing backflips and roundhouses. He really didn't need to.
Nice I retired a few years ago from fighting to finish college, etc. One thing I hate in movies right now is that spinning flip strike people keep doing in movies. You can see Cap do it in the final battle of AOU. Daredevil did it a few times. They do a completely unnecessary flip to land a single strike which is the most inefficient way to do it. It makes them look retarded but I guess some people out there like that. I don't get how that's better than planting your feet and decking the opponent with a well timed shot.

Here are some examples

https://youtu.be/UWEIN22WyzA?t=1m56s

https://youtu.be/B66feInucFY?t=2m32s

Then there's the classic woman fighting style where they jump on the guy and choke them out with their legs. Everyone is doing that. Just saw it again in the new Mission Impossible
 
Nice I retired a few years ago from fighting to finish college, etc.

I had my last fight in 2012...old as dirt for a fighter and within spitting distance of senior division. Muay Thai was some of the best times of my life but it was time to hang up the gloves. I still keep fit but don't train like a fighter anymore, focusing on career since as you know, training like that is practically a full-time job in itself.

One thing I hate in movies right now is that spinning flip strike people keep doing in movies.[...]It makes them look retarded but I guess some people out there like that. I don't get how that's better than planting your feet and decking the opponent with a well timed shot.

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Then there's the classic woman fighting style where they jump on the guy and choke them out with their legs. Everyone is doing that. Just saw it again in the new Mission Impossible

Yeah, audiences love that stuff.

It's almost forgivable for the Daredevil scene you posted, and you can see how they try to ground it in reality by the way they land it. For Cap it's way overdone.

In the last few tournaments I either participated in or attended, I noticed that the US fighters in particular were doing a lot of high-energy (i.e. inefficient), flashy strikes that if executed well were real crowd-pleasers; an attempt to get attention for themselves from promoters and to draw more laypeople into the sport.

Particularly on the uneven amateur playing field, it doesn't always have the intended effect. :lol

Traditional Muay Thai is about brutal basics and timing. You have flamboyant fighters like Saenchai who can do all kinds of tricks but guys like that are on another level. You could argue that superheroes are like that, but when lives are on the line and the fate of the world hangs in the balance, it doesn't make sense to get flashy, but hey....comic book movie! ;)

One of my favourite Thai fighters remains Buakaw. Brutal basics. I also like Yodsanklai for incredible timing.

I've seen some good fights in MCU that weren't too over the top, and I get that the superhero aesthetic demands a little flair; but I'd love to see something fast, technical and nasty like that fight scene between Bourne and the another agent in The Bourne Identity.

That's really how Cap should fight most of the time, IMO.
 
Nice I retired a few years ago from fighting to finish college, etc. One thing I hate in movies right now is that spinning flip strike people keep doing in movies. You can see Cap do it in the final battle of AOU. Daredevil did it a few times. They do a completely unnecessary flip to land a single strike which is the most inefficient way to do it. It makes them look retarded but I guess some people out there like that. I don't get how that's better than planting your feet and decking the opponent with a well timed shot.

Here are some examples

https://youtu.be/UWEIN22WyzA?t=1m56s

https://youtu.be/B66feInucFY?t=2m32s

Then there's the classic woman fighting style where they jump on the guy and choke them out with their legs. Everyone is doing that. Just saw it again in the new Mission Impossible

I agree. I thought Capt America was dancing in that scene :lol As far as women fighting in films, there are only a few that I find believable, and Scarlet Johanson doing her lucha libre moves don't do it for me. It's looks ridiculous when she's fighting those aliens in the first Avengers film. The Dare Devil fight was cool, but that punch looked silly and it was pointless. It doesn't even look cool. I thought the rest of the fight was nice though.
 
More spinning Cap, Daredevil, and hot girls wrapping their legs around guys' necks please.

Save the Jason Bourne patty-cake fighting for real life scuffles.
I enjoy a lot of the old Steven Seagal fights because it seems to me (a total layman when it comes to these things) as a much more authentic fighting style. He barely moves, and usually the guys he fights don't even get a lick in, but there's pleasure in watching something like that. But I also enjoy the flowery Winter Soldier kinds of fights. Comic books by and large are supposed to be over the top spectacles, and so that's what audiences expect and enjoy. More on the order of a pro wrestling exhibition than a real fight.

In A History of Violence (ironically based on a comic), Cronenberg makes it a point to demonstrate that violence isn't pretty or enjoyable. It's brutal and unpleasant. And the audience feels conflicted, when they see some scum who deserves to die, and that they want to die, dying in a pretty horrifying way.
 
I agree kara.

I enjoyed SS fights from Out for Justice (I studied MA because of SS :lol)

That geing said, I want spectacle superhero battles.

TWS has my favorite superhero fights of any superhero movie with AOU coming second and Blade 1 3rd.

But Raiders is still my #1 favorite action movie (until I die).
 
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Just once I would like to see Batman kick a dude square in the gonads. No flare, no flips; just pow and the dude's on his knees.:lol
 
I can't believe I forgot the ball-buster gauntlet.:lol Further proof that '89 was brilliant (as if you needed any more). Seriously, though; Batman really needs to do that more often. You factor in the steroid use and Bane's already probably pretty messed up down there. Bruce could've saved himself a broken back if he'd fought with his brain instead of his ego.:lol
 
Yeah, the dude would be split from balls to brain. Also, why does Superman have a douchebro goat-tee (emphasis on the goat)?
 
He's trying to blend in with the humans, you know...assimilate. Anyway, I don't think a kick like that would work on Bane. Bats should have kicked Catwoman for betraying him as soon as he saw her in TDKR. A kick in her lady parts. :lol
 
More spinning Cap, Daredevil, and hot girls wrapping their legs around guys' necks please.

Save the Jason Bourne patty-cake fighting for real life scuffles.

LOL...I'll have to watch it again. I don't remember patty-cakes. :D


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