Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

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Just a little less Snyder = Snyder relegated to Valet guy :lol

You should've seen me trying to explain those black dildos ships to my son when he said they look like mine only darker. :lol

I was like, ask your mother, she knows about those. :lol

Wait...hold on one cotton pickin' minute...you drive a light colored dildo ship? :monkey3

1. Destroys property
2. Is a smug SOB

I never realized that Hopeman was just one joint away from being Josh Trank! :google

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Superman Getting Elbowed Out Of Superman Movie

Zack Snyder confirms it'll be a bit more Batman.
By DEVIN FARACI Sep. 10, 2015


This week Heroic Hollywood revealed that Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice* was going to have more Batman than expected, perhaps added late in the game. I wasn't so sure about this - the script I know had a lot of Superman stuff, and the first half is very largely a Superman story.
Well, the script I know may not be in play anymore, as Zack Snyder confirmed HH's scoop in Variety:


"Because it’s a different Batman than the Batman that was in the Chris Nolan movies, ... we have a little bit more explaining to do and you just had a whole Superman movie,” he said. “But I think only in that way, because you need to understand where Batman is with everything. And that’s more toward the beginning, but it evens back out as it goes on.”



I've also heard that the ending of the script I knew has been changed; when the movie comes out I'll let you know if that's the case. It's a massive spoiler, so I don't want to reveal it yet.


I liked the balance in the first half of the script; it's a Superman story into which Batman arrives, and I'm not really sure why, seven films in, we need to explain anything about Batman. The script I know actually did a lot of that very elegantly, with minimal exposition - just stuff in the Batcave, the Jim Gordon memorial plaque, business like that. There's definitely Batman action in the first half as he investigates what's up in Metropolis, but my unscientific valuation had the script being Clark/Superman heavy. If that's changed...


Well, if that's changed it's just another example of Warner Bros being blazingly unable to figure out how to use this character. Or rather that they sort of don't like this character. It's a bummer, because while I thought the way Superman was used in the script I know wasn't perfect it definitely got way better as the pages went on. The script has Superman make some choices that I think are incredibly out of character (in the name of saving his mom) but by the finale, which may have been changed, he's truly heroic. To be fair that script was packed and I didn't know how it could all be accomplished in a two/two and a half hour runtime.


This has been the arc of Superman since Man of Steel underperformed and didn't come close to the needed billion dollar take - first he got Batman shoved into his sequel and now he's getting elbowed out of that movie. Here's hoping the best stuff from that script still stands, especially the Lois and Clark stuff.
 
Not surprised about this. wB are *******s anyway when it comes to Supes. They don't understand that he isn't the dark and gritty character they'd like him to be. So well get yet another Batman movie. Stupid move, stupid executives, stupid movie, but big bucks because, yeaaaah! There's Batman in it!

Anyway, you just have to look at the comics to understand that they've given up on Supes. He died with Reeve and the eviction of Routh and in comic form, he died with the New 52.

RIP an icon....
 
As I posted before, I think it's for the best. WB does clearly either dislike or don't know what to do with Supes, or some combination of the two. Man of Steel exemplified this by being so wrong in so many ways. More Batman surely can't be worse!
 
I don't think it's a case of like or dislike. Spider-Man and Batman are the top two most profitable superhero characters (as of 2014). So it makes sense for DC to concentrate on Batman, hence why Marvel tried so hard to get Spider-Man back and we're now facing a third Spider-Man reboot.
 
That's also certainly true that Batman is the most commercial character they had, but there is such a thing as over-exposure. If he's going to dominate this film, play a significant role in Suicide Squad, and then probably also dominate the Justice League movies, to be followed up with a Batman solo film, fans might start looking for more variety. Hopefully they'll figure out how to deal with some characters apart from Batman, anyway.
 
Yep its interesting how Marvel can balance their characters so well, but DC/WB is so far behind they don't know how make their characters stand alone. And DC has some great characters besides batman. I would rather see more of Cavill's Sups than batman.
 
I don't want a dead Jim Gordon, *********. I don't want Carrie Kelly as Robin, I don't want **** Grayson as The Joker, and I don't want the ****ing Dark Knight Returns. Look, you want to gather inspiration for Batman's suit design or the battle with Superman? Go ahead, but we're not talking about a singular film, here; we're talking about the DC Universe on film for the better part of a decade, as all goes as planned, and, while I can accept some artistic interpretation, to have so many staples of the "mythology" that Snyder loves to refer to so much, essentially, either removed or prevented from existing in this universe is awful. Am I okay with Batman operating in the shadows for a while before Superman arrived? Absolutely. Am I okay with everything relevant to the Batman universe happening prior to his arrival? Not in the slightest.

I want to see the Batfamily. I want Nightwing and Robin, and Batgirl, and, maybe, even, Red Hood or Damian Wayne. I'm okay with stuff like Jason's demise or Grayson's leaving to fly solo happening in the past, but I don't want it to seem like we're just getting a shadow of Batman's former self; the leftovers, if I may.

Also, on another note, this **** pisses me off:

Zack Snyder Disses Marvel, ‘Ant-Man’ While Talking ‘Batman vs. Superman’

https://www.thewrap.com/batman-v-su...ps-marvel-for-flavor-of-the-week-superheroes/

Zack Snyder Is Being A Total Mean Girl About Ant-Man - MTV

As someone who liked Ant-Man, I feel like, after reading the articles, all of these headlines are, essentially, flamebait for this bull**** pissing contest between fanboys. The way he worded it, perhaps, made it low hanging fruit, but, from where I'm standing, he's just saying that the comic book bubble we're in, now, allows for far more niche projects, like Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, and, even, Suicide Squad (do you expect him to call a film he's producing "flavor of the week," though?). He's right, though, and it's proven, with a couple of exceptions, that, even when Superhero films were few and far between, Batman and Superman were still able to make big bucks.

I think he and Spielberg are right, though; the water, it ebbs and flows, and what goes up, must come down. Eventually, I do think this is all going to peak, and, afterwards, we'll probably see very little from the genre, but I do think that, like he said, Batman and Superman will still manage to bring in audiences, and, maybe, even Spider-Man, though his track record is a bit hit and miss. The one I'm curious about, though, is Iron Man. To comic book fans, I'd say that old shell head was probably a B-lister, but, to the public at large, he was D-list; C-list, at best. The most they'd seen was a short-lived cartoon from the early nineties, or the occasional T-shirt in the kid's department of a JC Penney. I would say that, without question, Iron Man is now an A-lister, but his success is so inherently owed to Robert Downey Jr., and do defined by his portrayal, that I genuinely question its staying power once he's moved on, or the genre has fallen.

Moral of the story: the media are dicks.:lol
 
Anyway, you just have to look at the comics to understand that they've given up on Supes. He died with Reeve and the eviction of Routh and in comic form, he died with the New 52.

RIP an icon....

This is incorrect, have you even been reading the new 52 and DCYou? It's as Superman as Superman can get, other than a very few early issues of the Superman run (which got a lot better fast) all the Superman series have a better representation of Superman than anything since the 90's and overall very close to the early Superman runs.
 
"We have the mythology. Our movies are much more grounded and intense. No flavor of the week characters." Talk, talk, talk. Here's an idea, shut up and make a decent movie.
 
"We have the mythology. Our movies are much more grounded and intense. No flavor of the week characters." Talk, talk, talk. Here's an idea, shut up and make a decent movie.

His Dawn of the Dead, 300, and Watchmen are, generally, regarded as being pretty good, and, as divisive as it may be, I'm pretty sure Man of Steel is considered a "decent" movie. Not great; maybe not even good, but you didn't say either of those things. Ya said decent, so, I'd say he can talk as much as he ****ing wants to.:lol
 
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