Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[YoNoSe]

I disagree. There were no bullet holes on the windshield to suggest he was shot. They were getting shot with explosives....but no bullet holes anywhere. Maybe he was knocked out by the explosions...but gravity kills them both when the truck crashes

No bullet hole, but the bullet clearly hit the front of the truck. I guess that guy died of bad continuity.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

If they're going to go with a no nonsense, non-merciful Batman, they better be nonchalant about it. I don't any back peddling, preachy ******** like Batman Forever or the Nolan Batman movies then a contradiction of morals a few scenes later.

You're going to make Batman a vigilante that isn't afraid to kill and maim criminals? Better make him unabashedly so. I don't want Batman screaming "NOOOOOOOO" after he kills a thug or something like ****ing Superman from Man of Steel. Just make Batman carry on with business as usual.

Makes you wonder, how is the joker still alive after all the terrible things he's done?

I can definitely see something like this happening in a solo Batman film.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

No bullet hole, but the bullet clearly hit the front of the truck. I guess that guy died of bad continuity.

No damage though.

 

[YoNoSe]

No damage though.

Bad continuity.

Or just leaving it open so that people can believe that guy died of natural causes.

But let's face it. Batman shot that dude. And if he didn't, he sure tried to.

 

[batfan08]

Batffleck and Bizarro...I mean Snyderman.

Cavill really needs to get it in writing that he's Superman. It seems like his bosses at WB didn't get the memo, since it seems like they're marketing the new Frankenstein or some Criss Angel Mindfreak biopic, instead.

'Batman v Superman': The New Dark Knight Is a Killer, Says Producer - Hollywood Reporter

So Batffleck is going full Keaton and killing people in BVS. I guess that's why Bats and Sups become best friends. They admire each other's method of killing.

He uses more guns and weaponary than Keaton and Bale too. It's basically a young Frank Miller Batman without the rubber bullets.


I'm positive that no matter how good Affleck is, the complaints and criticism towards his Batman will be about what's considered non-comic methods.

I'm kind of curious what they mean by executioner, though. I look at the branding, for instance. That right there seems like he's no longer waiting for these guys to get cycled through the courts. The thing that worries me is about "everyone near and dear to him" being dead. We know he's lost a Robin, but it's making me wonder if those rumors about Gordon being dead aren't accurate. If he no longer has an ally in the department, that could be one of the factors that causes him to cross that line, in which case, that would blow. I don't want a Gordonless Batman in the DCEU.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Makes you wonder, how is the joker still alive after all the terrible things he's done?

Well I do remember after Jason Todd Robin died Batman was going to confront Joker and probably kill him, but Superman got in the way.

 

[Darkseed]

Pic of Cavill on the cover of Empire is bad . I won't have an issue with Bats being ultra violent or killing assuming a situation warrants. He still needs a line to separate him from the baddies he battles.

 

[GasparZizou]

Makes you wonder, how is the joker still alive after all the terrible things he's done?

I can definitely see something like this happening in a solo Batman film.

I'm gonna guess he wasn't like that and he reached a breaking point, I'm also gonna guess the Batman we're gonna see is already past that point.

I like it.

Which means that maybe we get a movie of a younger Bats with his old morals.

 

[pturtle]

I voted for Man of Steel, but I now prefer both Wolverine and Kiss Kiss Clang Clang. I really liked both those movies actually. I just didn't like the call backs to Jean and the last third was hokey with the Viper lady and robo Samurai stuff. The bullet train sequence was ludicrous, but it was a lot of fun!

I really like Iron Man 3, and I'm not one of those that are sick of Robert Downey Jr. I love him. I liked the humor in the movie, and I like how he's a character that keeps regressing in his attempts to progress. I wasn't a fan of the formulaic villain stuff, but the humor kept me going. Not all of it it though, but most comedies do. I liked the end fight better than the one with Jeff Bridges. That was just boring to me.

Absolutely no credibility from me now, huh? I kind of want to go out and rent Iron Man 3 right now!

I know a lot of people did like it, it wasn't for me though. I still respect your opinion though

Voted where?

There was a "What was the least ****y superhero movie of 2013" poll a while back. I guess MOS "won."

It was back on yahoo or rotten tomatoes or something a while back, supposedly they did some like super vote or something and MOS won by a landslide. I also know multiple comic book sites voted it the best of 2013 as well.


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[pturtle]

He uses more guns and weaponary than Keaton and Bale too. It's basically a young Frank Miller Batman without the rubber bullets.


I'm positive that no matter how good Affleck is, the complaints and criticism towards his Batman will be about what's considered non-comic methods.

I actually like this, Batman not killing is one of the reasons why I never cared for the character. It just never made sense to me.


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[GasparZizou]

It makes sense, it's a line that separates him from yadda yadda, but it also makes sense that that line could be broken.

 

[pturtle]

It makes sense, it's a line that separates him from yadda yadda, but it also makes sense that that line could be broken.

It always seemed like a selfish, self righteous way of thinking. From my perspective, he lets Joker and hundreds of other villains live and continuously kill, leaving Gotham in constant risk just because he doesn't like the idea of using similar methods that his enemies use even though it would probably mean he saves hundreds of people. That's why I always liked characters like Namor, The Punisher, and Wolverine, their ideology in dealing with their enemies always felt more realistic and more honest to me.


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[GasparZizou]

It always seemed like a selfish, self righteous way of thinking. From my perspective, he lets Joker and hundreds of other villains live and continuously kill, leaving Gotham in constant risk just because he doesn't like the idea of using similar methods that his enemies use even though it would probably mean he saves hundreds of people. That's why I always liked characters like Namor, The Punisher, and Wolverine, their ideology in dealing with their enemies always felt more realistic and more honest to me.

It's the opposite of selfish, it's selfless, it's not up to him to be executioner, it's not his right.

It's a common thing to try to misplace the guilt on Batman for the stuff Joker does as indirect responsibility but it isn't so, the responsibility falls more directly on the conveniently inept prison systems that let Joker and others escape, not on Batman, Batman caught the guys and delivered them to the police, you'd think the police would give most of them the death penalty but nooooo because comics nevertheless, it's not Batman's fault by any means.

Batman blames himself because it's in his character, now because of this guilt he feels, that line can be broken, but it's not up to anyone to blame him, not in reality.

Now Wolverine, Punisher and Namor aren't really heroes, and they're not out for justice either.

 

[Baneofdemon22]

It always seemed like a selfish, self righteous way of thinking. From my perspective, he lets Joker and hundreds of other villains live and continuously kill, leaving Gotham in constant risk just because he doesn't like the idea of using similar methods that his enemies use even though it would probably mean he saves hundreds of people. That's why I always liked characters like Namor, The Punisher, and Wolverine, their ideology in dealing with their enemies always felt more realistic and more honest to me.


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I don't like Batman killing unless he has to, and Batman is so skilled that he never has to. However, my problem is with the law-officials. Batman takes these guys in. It's their fault or the people's fault for not doing anything about it. Why doesn't a Gotham citizen or cop kill him while he's in custody?

I enjoy interpretations where he is a fractured individual that uses his pain as a motivation to help, not only civilians, but criminals that represent the various darker paths Bruce Wayne could have taken after witnessing his parents' death. He constantly faces tragedy and dark, twisted stuff,and gets closer to insanity, but he never crosses the the line. Batman has to live his life with so self-control that if he kills someone, he's terrified that he'll snap. Bruce Wayne doesn't even consider himself a good person, and that's why he needs his allies to keep him sane—just like anyone would.

If we're talking about fighting in war, it's a different story in my opinion, but in a city? The Punisher is just a self-righteous serial killer.

 

[Baneofdemon22]

It's the opposite of selfish, it's selfless, it's not up to him to be executioner, it's not his right.

It's a common thing to try to misplace the guilt on Batman for the stuff Joker does as indirect responsibility but it isn't so, the responsibility falls more directly on the conveniently inept prison systems that let Joker and others escape, not on Batman, Batman caught the guys and delivered them to the police, you'd think the police would give most of them the death penalty but nooooo because comics nevertheless, it's not Batman's fault by any means.

Batman blames himself because it's in his character, now because of this guilt he feels, that line can be broken, but it's not up to anyone to blame him, not in reality.

Now Wolverine, Punisher and Namor aren't really heroes, and they're not out for justice either.

Oh, you beat me to it! You're explanation is better. Although, I think Wolverine is a hero.

 

[pturtle]

It's the opposite of selfish, it's selfless, it's not up to him to be executioner, it's not his right.

It's a common thing to try to misplace the guilt on Batman for the stuff Joker does as indirect responsibility but it isn't so, the responsibility falls more directly on the conveniently inept prison systems that let Joker and others escape, not on Batman, Batman caught the guys and delivered them to the police, you'd think the police would give most of them the death penalty but nooooo because comics nevertheless, it's not Batman's fault by any means.

Batman blames himself because it's in his character, now because of this guilt he feels, that line can be broken, but it's not up to anyone to blame him, not in reality.

Now Wolverine, Punisher and Namor aren't really heroes, and they're not out for justice either.

I'm not blaming Batman, I'm just saying his way of thinking is stupid if he truly cares about Gotham. Fighting all that crime feels pointless, and isn't Batman addicted to fighting crime? He probably doesn't want to kill these villains because he loves being a vigilante.

If these villains keep escaping, then maybe Bruce Wayne should start donating a ton of money to upgrade Arkham

I think Wolverine, Namor, and The Punisher are heroes, they have their own sense of justice, especially Punisher. Namor and Wolvey are more interested in keeping their species safe, so from the readers perspective they usually don't come off as heroic as other heroes that care about keeping the entire earth safe.


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[GasparZizou]

I don't like Batman killing unless he has to, and Batman is so skilled that he never has to. However, my problem is with the law-officials. Batman takes these guys in. It's their fault or the people's fault for not doing anything about it. Why doesn't a Gotham citizen or cop kill him while he's in custody?

I enjoy interpretations where he is a fractured individual that uses his pain as a motivation to help, not only civilians, but criminals that represent the various darker paths Bruce Wayne could have taken after witnessing his parents' death. He constantly faces tragedy and dark, twisted stuff,and gets closer to insanity, but he never crosses the the line. Batman has to live his life with so self-control that if he kills someone, he's terrified that he'll snap. Bruce Wayne doesn't even consider himself a good person, and that's why he needs his allies to keep him sane.

Bro, that was beautiful, you get it

I'm not blaming Batman, I'm just saying his way of thinking is stupid if he truly cares about Gotham. If these villains keep escaping, then maybe Bruce Wayne should start donating a ton of money to upgrade Arkham

I think Wolverine, Namor, and The Punisher are heroes, they have their own sense of justice, especially Punisher. Namor and Wolvey are more interested in keeping their species safe, so from the readers perspective they usually don't come off as heroic as other heroes that care about keeping the entire earth safe.

They're incidental heroes from time to time, but Namor most of the time is a dbag, and so is Punisher some times.

Hell, they just killed Namor because of how much of a ****** he is

But he does care about Gotham, that's why he has to maintain that self control, for stuff like Bane posted, and he does donate all sorts of figures to all the responsible authorities, but again, comics they need to keep the villains coming back, it's got nothing to do with Batman's methods being flawed, they aren't, it's got to do with sales.

 

[pturtle]

How come you guys don't consider Punisher a hero? He basically does everything Daredevil and Batman does except he kills the bad guys. He saves innocent people all the time though, which makes him a hero.


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[GasparZizou]

How come you guys don't consider Punisher a hero? He basically does everything Daredevil and Batman does except he kills the bad guys. He saves innocent people all the time though, which makes him a hero.

Just technically speaking, in comics, he's an anti-hero, no? Precisely because he kills.

 

[jye4ever]

Yeah but who in the USA with our junk justice sytem doesn't want a real Punisher.

Batman is a wimp.

But i'm also ready to upgrade from Punisher to Supermad