Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[pturtle]

Bro, that was beautiful, you get it


They're incidental heroes from time to time, but Namor most of the time is a dbag, and so is Punisher some times.

Hell, they just killed Namor because of how much of a ****** he is

But he does care about Gotham, that's why he has to maintain that self control, for stuff like Bane posted, and he does donate all sorts of figures to all the responsible authorities, but again, comics they need to keep the villains coming back, it's got nothing to do with Batman's methods being flawed, they aren't, it's got to do with sales.

Namor is definitely a ******, but he's usually overly cynical because he wants to keep Atlantis safe, and usually that's by any means but I don't see why he's not a hero, he's just not interested in human beings.

I don't know how he is in the comics now though, I haven't read any of his recent stuff.


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[pturtle]

Just technically speaking, in comics, he's an anti-hero, no? Precisely because he kills.

Captain America kills too, a lot actually

I always thought a hero was someone that saved people, it doesn't matter how he goes about it, as long as he gets the job done and keeping the innocent safe


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[Baneofdemon22]

How come you guys don't consider Punisher a hero? He basically does everything Daredevil and Batman does except he kills the bad guys. He saves innocent people all the time though, which makes him a hero.


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He's doing heroic feats, but he's a self-righteous serial killer. Batman is a criminal, but at least he gives people a chance at redemption and doesn't believe his life has more value than others. Batman truly cares about the people he fights. He even has sympathy for them since he thinks he's so close to snapping into becoming one of them (he never would in my opinion, but Bruce is just that hard on himself). Punisher is motivated by the fact that he hates bad people—whatever his definition of bad people is. I don't want some guy that isn't registered running around torturing and slaughtering people in my city. What if he mistook an innocent person as a "bad guy". Batman only goes as far as he has to get someone into submission so he can turn them over to the law.

That's just my thoughts, but of course, I respect your opinion!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

How come you guys don't consider Punisher a hero?

Because he doesn't just kill...he's a sadistic mother...you get the idea.

 

[GasparZizou]

Namor is definitely a ******, but he's usually overly cynical because he wants to keep Atlantis safe, and usually that's by any means but I don't see why he's not a hero, he's just not interested in human beings.

I don't know how he is in the comics now though, I haven't read any of his recent stuff.

I'm not a big fan of him, but I've read a couple major events.

You should see how he gets killed pretty cool.

Captain America kills too, a lot actually

I always thought a hero was someone that saved people, it doesn't matter how he goes about it, as long as he gets the job done and keeping the innocent safe

Well, Marvel in general is more "flawed and relatableuasgurhurrr", so they can afford that, Cap's main MO isn't killing though, and he avoids it most of the time, Punisher just doesn't care.

Remember DC's moral code is set in stone in main continuities. That's why everybody moans so much.

He's doing heroic feats, but he's a self-righteous serial killer. Batman is a criminal, but at least he gives people a chance at redemption and doesn't believe his life has more value than others. Batman truly cares about the people he fights. He even has sympathy for them since he thinks he's so close to snapping into becoming one of them (he never would in my opinion, but Bruce is just that hard on himself). Punisher is motivated by the fact that he hates bad people—whatever his definition of bad people is. I don't want some guy that isn't registered running around torturing and slaughtering people in my city. What if he mistook an innocent person as a "bad guy". Batman only goes as far as he has to get someone into submission so he can turn them over to the law.

That's just my thoughts, but of course, I respect your opinion!

Oh man you should write poetry or something, all that is very nice.

 

[Baneofdemon22]

All this stuff is just making me want to watch Daredevil Season 2!

Are you guys watching it? I'm sure this will be the big theme. Heck, it'll probably be a big theme of BvS and Civil War. I'm curious whose on Steve's side on and whose on Tony's side when the registration issue is brought up.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yes I am, the only thing I'm not crazy about is the new costume.

Everything else is hype.

 

[DiFabio]

Punisher dindu nuffin, he a good boy.


The only Batman that I like that abhores killing and is righteous is a few examples of the comic Batman and the Animated Series Batman. But even then there have been instances where that character is a ****ing ****. Animated Series Batman pulled the plug on a dying Clayface. I don't mind "da rule" when it's done well, but when it makes Batman look like a hypocrite, like the movies, I can't get into it. You're better off just having Batman not giving a ****.


With Affleck Batman, I like the idea that he's just tired of this crusade and figures, **** it, all of his loved ones besides Alfred have been killed off, why let these guys live. If that's what they're going to do. Ben Affleck described this Batman as a weary man that is at the end of his rope, implying he has that fed up, no nonsense attitude (and possibly a death wish like the TDKR Miller Batman). That's a characterization with a spin to it that I can get behind.

 

[Baneofdemon22]

Oh man you should write poetry or something, all that is very nice.

Thank you Gaspar. I appreciate the kind words.

 

[Ondi]

Because he doesn't just kill...he's a sadistic mother...you get the idea.

WTH!! That was brutal! But it was fun too Thanks for sharing that mate

 

[jye4ever]

But who would win in a fight between Punisher and Batman.

 

[pturtle]

He's doing heroic feats, but he's a self-righteous serial killer. Batman is a criminal, but at least he gives people a chance at redemption and doesn't believe his life has more value than others. Batman truly cares about the people he fights. He even has sympathy for them since he thinks he's so close to snapping into becoming one of them (he never would in my opinion, but Bruce is just that hard on himself). Punisher is motivated by the fact that he hates bad people—whatever his definition of bad people is. I don't want some guy that isn't registered running around torturing and slaughtering people in my city. What if he mistook an innocent person as a "bad guy". Batman only goes as far as he has to get someone into submission so he can turn them over to the law.

That's just my thoughts, but of course, I respect your opinion!

Does he really believe that there's hope for Joker, Scarecrow and the rest of the psychopaths and sociopaths he repeatedly locks up? I'm not saying he's wrong, it's just that after a century of locking up the same people just to have them break out and keep killing innocents, he should probably understand that these people don't deserve redemption. It's definitely an admirable trait but I just find it way too unbelievable and pointless. Punisher literally cleans the streets, makes sure the bad guys won't harm anyone else. If you could pick either Batman or Punisher to protect you neighborhood, would you really pick Batman? I certainly wouldn't

You make a good point about Punisher though , but he's a pretty good detective, he usually knows everything about his victims before he kills them.

Because he doesn't just kill...he's a sadistic mother...you get the idea.

He didn't kill him though

But hey man, I'll admit Punisher likes what he does a little too much

I'm not a big fan of him, but I've read a couple major events.

You should see how he gets killed pretty cool.


Well, Marvel in general is more "flawed and relatableuasgurhurrr", so they can afford that, Cap's main MO isn't killing though, and he avoids it most of the time, Punisher just doesn't care.

Remember DC's moral code is set in stone in main continuities. That's why everybody moans so much.

I just never associated killing bad guys as a bad thing.

John Mcclane kills plenty of people in Diehard, but I still consider him a hero. Just not the traditional type.


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[GasparZizou]

Because he doesn't just kill...he's a sadistic mother...you get the idea.

Spoiler

does Wolverine go after him?

 

[Baneofdemon22]

I've seen Punisher do way sicker stuff than that! He's pretty crazy!

Yes I am, the only thing I'm not crazy about is the new costume.

Everything else is hype.

Awesome! I'm looking forward to your thoughts when it comes out.

 

[pturtle]

All this stuff is just making me want to watch Daredevil Season 2!

Are you guys watching it? I'm sure this will be the big theme. Heck, it'll probably be a big theme of BvS and Civil War. I'm curious whose on Steve's side on and whose on Tony's side when the registration issue is brought up.

I'm extremely excited for it. Punisher and Daredevil are in my top 5 favs, and I love the actors portraying them.


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[jye4ever]

Sorry fellas. Pturtle pwned y'all on this one.

F4, not so much.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

does Wolverine go after him?

Nope

Punisher goes to the next room and kills a bunch of amputees

 

[Khev]

I think it was a very good move by WB to make Battfleck a killer. Captain America kills, Superman kills. If the biggest boyscout superheroes are out snapping necks and throwing people threw propellers you can't have Batman out there putting bad guys in timeouts.

 

[pturtle]

Sorry fellas. Pturtle pwned y'all on this one.

F4, not so much.

One day I'll be redeemed for my F4 predictions.


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[The Clown Prince of Crime]

One day I'll be redeemed for my F4 predictions.


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I don't know, didn't you get a large tattoo on your chest that says, "Fantastic 4 Life"?