Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

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I think it was a very good move by WB to make Battfleck a killer. Captain America kills, Superman kills. If the biggest boyscout superheroes are out snapping necks and throwing people threw propellers you can't have Batman out there putting bad guys in timeouts.

The new batman is a killer?
 
The new batman is a killer?

Yep!

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Don't like the killer batman but I mean it does make more sense, even in the dark knight trilogy he began to start killing, sometimes people can't be saved. However I do like the dynamic of if he were t kill a villain he'd lose everything he built, in red hood they addressed this very well.

Batman thinks about killing his villains but just can't bring himself to do it.
 
If all this crap about Batman killing is true I may walk right out of the theater.

And Yes I know he killed in the 40's, before they actually established he had a psychopathy to him.

Yes I know Burton had Batman Kill, I don't think it was correct in those films either but at least Burton did it a way to semi-match the time period from the comics.

Yes I know Superman killed Zod, that was also stupid.
 
Don't like the killer batman but I mean it does make more sense, even in the dark knight trilogy he began to start killing, sometimes people can't be saved. However I do like the dynamic of if he were t kill a villain he'd lose everything he built, in red hood they addressed this very well.

Batman thinks about killing his villains but just can't bring himself to do it.

Batman thinks about killing the villains, he just thinks not killing them is what separates him from them. Remember, Post 1940's Batman was basically re-written to not be as violent, so they basically gave him a sort of psychopathy. He Doesn't kill because his parents were killed, and for him that can never happen. He might break bone, or put someone in the hospital but he won't kill because he's not gong to be the reason some criminals kids become orphans, even if their parents are scum. That's also the reason he doesn't give up, his mission is to make sure what happened to him doesn't happen again, even if it's a mission he can't ever complete or win.

Sure he's the ultimate badass but Bruce is still a damaged 8 year-old inside.
 
If all this crap about Batman killing is true I may walk right out of the theater.

And Yes I know he killed in the 40's, before they actually established he had a psychopathy to him.

Yes I know Burton had Batman Kill, I don't think it was correct in those films either but at least Burton did it a way to semi-match the time period from the comics.

Yes I know Superman killed Zod, that was also stupid.
Agreed. I know Fabio thinks it's a'aight because he's done it so much in the movies and whatnot (and in the comics by writers before such a rule was made, who didn't care about the rule that was supposed to be in place, or who tried to find ways around it). But it's a heroic characteristic. It makes him better and more moral and progressive than his opponents. He puts villains in Arkham, where he knows they have a fair chance of escaping and causing more havoc, but he is sympathetic to mental illness and has a hope in the back of his mind that some of these characters may overcome their affliction. For those who can't be redeemed, he puts them away in prison, but doesn't stand in ultimate judgment. Beyond the moral/philosophical perspective, like you say, he was so traumatized by his parents' death that two rules became emblazoned on his personality for life: 1) no guns; 2) no killing.

Now, some of this is debatable based on your ideology or philosophy or religion or whatnot. But for me, that makes someone bigger, and more righteous and civilized than other characters.

Now in the case of old Hopeman, I actually do think that is the one of the few defensible killings by funny book heroes--when there is no other choice to immediately protect the lives of others (another could be heroes in war). The problem is that Superman shouldn't be put in that situation to begin with, as it casts a shadow over the whole character from a narrative point of view.
 
BATMAN V SUPERMAN DIRECTOR ASKED FOR NOLAN'S BLESSING TO USE BATMAN IN DAWN OF JUSTICE

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
RELEASE DATE:MARCH 25, 2016


"You tell me if you don’t want me to do it."

BY ALEX OSBORN
Before moving forward with Batman v Superman, director Zack Snyder asked for Christopher Nolan's approval to essentially make Batman a villain in Dawn of Justice.

Snyder recalled his discussion with The Dark Knight trilogy director in an interview Empire, saying he told Nolan: "You tell me if you don’t want me to do it." After a few moments of silence, Nolan replied: "Well, we don’t own these characters. When you’re done making Batman movies, someone else will [make them]."



 
BATMAN V SUPERMAN DIRECTOR ASKED FOR NOLAN'S BLESSING TO USE BATMAN IN DAWN OF JUSTICE

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
RELEASE DATE:MARCH 25, 2016


"You tell me if you don’t want me to do it."

BY ALEX OSBORN
Before moving forward with Batman v Superman, director Zack Snyder asked for Christopher Nolan's approval to essentially make Batman a villain in Dawn of Justice.

Snyder recalled his discussion with The Dark Knight trilogy director in an interview Empire, saying he told Nolan: "You tell me if you don’t want me to do it." After a few moments of silence, Nolan replied: "Well, we don’t own these characters. When you’re done making Batman movies, someone else will [make them]."



Why would he ask him for? He only made two good batman movies. Granted he gave new life to batman but the character has been great way before nolan its just those damn campy shoemaker movies almost ruined him.
 
How weird. Did he ask Burton and Schumacher for permission as well?

Clearly Snyder consulted Schumacher when making MOS :lol

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Why would he ask him for? He only made two good batman movies. Granted he gave new life to batman but the character has been great way before nolan its just those damn campy shoemaker movies almost ruined him.

3 good films according to most people and critics.
 
Yeah that's bizarre. Why would Nolan's blessing be required or even count for anything. Not like they were continuing in his movie's continuity.
 
Agreed. I know Fabio thinks it's a'aight because he's done it so much in the movies and whatnot (and in the comics by writers before such a rule was made, who didn't care about the rule that was supposed to be in place, or who tried to find ways around it). But it's a heroic characteristic. It makes him better and more moral and progressive than his opponents. He puts villains in Arkham, where he knows they have a fair chance of escaping and causing more havoc, but he is sympathetic to mental illness and has a hope in the back of his mind that some of these characters may overcome their affliction. For those who can't be redeemed, he puts them away in prison, but doesn't stand in ultimate judgment. Beyond the moral/philosophical perspective, like you say, he was so traumatized by his parents' death that two rules became emblazoned on his personality for life: 1) no guns; 2) no killing.

Now, some of this is debatable based on your ideology or philosophy or religion or whatnot. But for me, that makes someone bigger, and more righteous and civilized than other characters.

Now in the case of old Hopeman, I actually do think that is the one of the few defensible killings by funny book heroes--when there is no other choice to immediately protect the lives of others (another could be heroes in war). The problem is that Superman shouldn't be put in that situation to begin with, as it casts a shadow over the whole character from a narrative point of view.
I agree with everything you said including that Superman should never have been put in a basically no win situation. You build up the entire film making out to bevthis symbol of hope and then put him in a seemingly hopeless situation that the comics have never really put him in because he always finds a way.

But hey I guess Synder just wants to kick dirt all over the lore DC built over the last 75 years.
 
Nothing heroic about having compassion for repeated murderers. I'm ready for a sociopathic Batman!


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