Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[Khev]

Nothing heroic about having compassion

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

Nothing heroic about having compassion for repeated murderers. I'm ready for a sociopathic Batman!


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Then just watch the Punisher. Batman saves lives, him being violentbis just means to that end and he takes it no further. The Punisher kills criminals, and saving lives is just a side effect of him killing really bad people.

So the Punisher is who you want. No need to make Batman that way.

 

[a-dev]

I assume Richard Donner gave his blessing to have Superman be the villain of MOS then?

Damn right. Bryan Singer too.

Nothing heroic about having compassion for repeated murderers. I'm ready for a sociopathic Batman!


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[pturtle]

Of course you wouldn't understand my post if you only read up to where you quoted

Then just watch the Punisher. Batman saves lives, him being violentbis just means to that end and he takes it no further. The Punisher kills criminals, and saving lives is just a side effect of him killing really bad people.

So the Punisher is who you want. No need to make Batman that way.

Correction, the Batman in the comics post 1940s saves lives and doesn't kill, but come March 2016 he won't just be breaking bones, he'll be breaking lives again!

I love when filmmakers aren't slaves to the source material, this is a different medium and new interpretation. Without taking chances and doing something different, we never would have got the Burton and Nolan flicks.

 

[Rorywan]

Snyder thinks Christopher Nolan invented Batman.

 

[RIDDICK]

3 good films according to most people and critics.

Nope, only two.

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[DiFabio]

Agreed. I know Fabio thinks it's a'aight because he's done it so much in the movies and whatnot (and in the comics by writers before such a rule was made, who didn't care about the rule that was supposed to be in place, or who tried to find ways around it). But it's a heroic characteristic. It makes him better and more moral and progressive than his opponents. He puts villains in Arkham, where he knows they have a fair chance of escaping and causing more havoc, but he is sympathetic to mental illness and has a hope in the back of his mind that some of these characters may overcome their affliction. For those who can't be redeemed, he puts them away in prison, but doesn't stand in ultimate judgment. Beyond the moral/philosophical perspective, like you say, he was so traumatized by his parents' death that two rules became emblazoned on his personality for life: 1) no guns; 2) no killing.

Now, some of this is debatable based on your ideology or philosophy or religion or whatnot. But for me, that makes someone bigger, and more righteous and civilized than other characters.

Now in the case of old Hopeman, I actually do think that is the one of the few defensible killings by funny book heroes--when there is no other choice to immediately protect the lives of others (another could be heroes in war). The problem is that Superman shouldn't be put in that situation to begin with, as it casts a shadow over the whole character from a narrative point of view.

I'm all for the no-killing rule if it's implemented properly and isn't contradictory. No doubt about that. In this case though, if they're going to go the opposite direction, I hope they do it right and it isn't done just to be edgy. I'm all for a darker, hard nosed sinisiter Batman OR the moral, by the book, rule following Batman, I just don't like when those two ideas are muddled together and made an ambiguity. It makes Batman look like a hypocritical *****.

For me, Batman has never been defined by whether or not he takes lives, but I'm not opposed to any Batman either way. I like the early 30s/40s comic Batman, I like the weird "good soldier", "nasty" Frank Miller Batman, the law abiding, badge carrying Adam West Batman is cool in my book, I love the Keaton and Animated series Batman, etc. etc.

I'm not going to get upset and leave if Dawn of Justice Batman wants to kill off Superman in an incident where his employees were killed off (this Wayne has lost everyone but Alfred) or brands Gotham criminals, then kills them if they're repeat offenders or takes out some of Lex's army along the way. I will say that it seems like a missed opportunity to further contrast Batman to Superman by not giving Batman his no killing policy, but I dunno the whole story's specifics yet.

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

I'm all for the no-killing rule if it's implemented properly and isn't contradictory. No doubt about that. In this case though, if they're going to go the opposite direction, I hope they do it right and it isn't done just to be edgy. I'm all for a darker, hard nosed sinisiter Batman OR the moral, by the book, rule following Batman, I just don't like when those two ideas are muddled together and made an ambiguity. It makes Batman look like a hypocritical *****.

For me, Batman has never been defined by whether or not he takes lives, but I'm not opposed to any Batman either way. I like the early 30s/40s comic Batman, I like the weird "good soldier", "nasty" Frank Miller Batman, the law abiding, badge carrying Adam West Batman is cool in my book, I love the Keaton and Animated series Batman, etc. etc.

I'm not going to get upset and leave if Dawn of Justice Batman wants to kill off Superman in an incident where his employees were killed off (this Wayne has lost everyone but Alfred) or brands Gotham criminals, then kills them if they're repeat offenders or takes out some of Lex's army along the way. I will say that it seems like a missed opportunity to further contrast Batman to Superman by not giving Batman his no killing policy, but I dunno the whole story's specifics yet.

I tbink making him tbe moral compass, much like they did after Wonder Woman snapped Maxwell Lords neck during Infinite Crisis could work in this film. It would also make the arguement between the two multidimensional.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Nope, only two.

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[cmiller99]

And why can't anyone in movies say "war" correctly?

"You're going to start a whoah."

"These bats are bred for just one purpose; whoah."

Talk normal please.

Yeah, everyone knows that 'war' is pronounced WAAAARRRRRRRRR.

It's all in the trill at the end.

Snyder thinks Christopher Nolan invented Batman.

Seems about right.

 

[DiFabio]

BATMAN V SUPERMAN DIRECTOR ASKED FOR NOLAN'S BLESSING TO USE BATMAN IN DAWN OF JUSTICE​

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Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
RELEASE DATE:MARCH 25, 2016


"You tell me if you don’t want me to do it."

BY ALEX OSBORN
Before moving forward with Batman v Superman, director Zack Snyder asked for Christopher Nolan's approval to essentially make Batman a villain in Dawn of Justice.

Snyder recalled his discussion with The Dark Knight trilogy director in an interview Empire, saying he told Nolan: "You tell me if you don’t want me to do it." After a few moments of silence, Nolan replied: "Well, we don’t own these characters. When you’re done making Batman movies, someone else will [make them]."

I missed this. Yeah, it's a weird thing for Snyder to do, but I think it's more of a carrying of the torch kind of thing since the Affleck Batman is only mere years away from the Bale Batman. Joel Schumacher said the same thing to Burton back in the early 90s, "tell me if you don't want me to do it" since he was making his own, new Batman.


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Like Tim Burton, I doubt Nolan really gave a ****. Probably didn't even care. There's been so many versions of Batman at this point that I don't get why Snyder felt he had to get Nolan's okay, especially when WB would have probably dropped Snyder for someone else to make a Batman story anyway.

 

[crows]

Most heroes don't kill or try not to kill, when did Spiderman kill anyone on purpose besides that first guy? Like in Cold blood?

Most heroes stay away from killing. Killing people makes the police go after u.

Batman is just a dramatic ***** about it... He makes too much of a big deal about not killing, and then when his enemies die he looks like a moron.

Specially nolans batman... SO dramatic.......

I'm kinda glad this batman doesn't care

 

[GasparZizou]

Snyder has a weird respect for Nolan, I remember reading he also asked for his blessing for MoS.

 

[RIDDICK]

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I'm glad Snyderman doesn't care about anything...he just kicked the crap out of the batmobile, destroyed a small building, and then totally emasculated Batman. He probably went to Lois' apartment and had unprotected *** with her too while choking her.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

I'm glad Snyderman doesn't care about anything...he just kicked the crap out of the batmobile, destroyed a small building, and then totally emasculated Batman. He probably went to Lois' apartment and had unprotected *** with her too while choking her.

That didn't get weird at all...

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

 

[DiFabio]

He probably went to Lois' apartment and had unprotected *** with her too while choking her.

Spoiler

Clark and Lois have *** in this movie in a bath tub at her apartment, I kid you not.

 

[GasparZizou]

But was he choking her? If he wasn't choking her this might as well be part of the MCU with its family fun crap.

 

[pturtle]

Most heroes don't kill or try not to kill, when did Spiderman kill anyone on purpose besides that first guy? Like in Cold blood?

Most heroes stay away from killing. Killing people makes the police go after u.

Batman is just a dramatic ***** about it... He makes too much of a big deal about not killing, and then when his enemies die he looks like a moron.

Specially nolans batman... SO dramatic.......

I'm kinda glad this batman doesn't care

Cops go after the superheroes anyway, especially Spider-Man.


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