Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[karamazov80]

He threw people through walls and floors like they were cardboard. That's super human strength. But I don't see why it matters. This is Snyder's way.

 

[GasparZizou]

Old *** wood walls and floors throwing someone around isn't inherently superhuman, much less if it's a bigger guy than the rest, it requires strength and technique but it can be done. Batman should be able to do it.

He's not throwing people around like Ozymandias threw the Comedian, he didn't grab people by the clothes just with his hands, and threw him above his shoulders in a narrow stance. No. He:

-Grabbed a dude by the body with both arms and legs and slammed him down with his own body, not just his arms.
-He threw a guy who literally jumped to him into some logs or whatever, using his own momentum against him.
-He threw a guy against a wood wall, with a very wide stance and below the shoulders.

Seriously, you can throw people around, if you're twice the size they are. Are people really that used to a chump Nolan Batman that a capable Batman now looks superhuman?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Well, I recall Bane punching through bricks too.

Bane, not Batman.

I would.

That's your opinion...and you have the right to be wrong

Now imagine that line with Nolan's Batman voice

He would sound less robotic. Bale have a variety of voices and more range...from what I've seen so far. He didn't just scream...unless he had too.

He picked him up with both arms and his legs. He slammed him with one arm and his entire body, not only that's very possible even between individuals of similar weight, it looks like it was impeccable technique too

A rotten wall and it was pretty close, c'mon.

Rotten wood floor, seriously.

Nah, he threw those guys like rag dolls...and then he says he's not even in his prime anymore

That's is true. It's not super-strength though, he's just

Spoiler

a big guy

It's not superhuman in that world of aliens, gods, magic and meta humans, but in our world people can't do any of those things, hence super human.

That's what I'm saying, what has been done has been covered, what Nolan's Batman was missing has apparently also been covered, which makes it a better Batman.

The action part and fighting, but there's more to a good character, and I won't know how good the character is until I see the film. It's hard to compare a character that was in 3 films and we saw evolve and grow since childhood to a character in a few action scenes in a trailer. We don't even know if Gordon is in the film.

 

[IrishJedi]

See what Nolan hath wrought with the "real world" superhero nonsense. It still lingers.

These movies may be somewhat "grounded", but they are still fantastical comic book movies and NOT set in the real world.

The very notion of the Batman character's existence is unrealistic, much less many of the things he's routinely done in the comics throughout history. Embrace it.

In ancient times, mythology dealt with Gods, Monsters and even humans who were clearly stronger and more gifted than normal people... nearly demi-godlike. This is what Batman is in our pop culture. He's human, yes, but no real human could ever do what he does because it's always at least a tad fantastical.

 

[GasparZizou]

Bane, not Batman.

Who has no superhuman strength in the Nolanverse and is in fact a manlet.

That's your opinion...and you have the right to be wrong

It's a fact, nerd, fight me! I'll body slam you through a wood wall.

He would sound less robotic. Bale have a variety of voices and more range...from what I've seen so far. He didn't just scream...unless he had too.

Yeah, he had unintelligible growls and unintelligible screams.

Are you really defending throat cancer voice?

Nah, he threw those guys like rag dolls...and then he says he's not even in his prime anymore

It's not superhuman in that world of aliens, gods, magic and meta humans, but in our world people can't do any of those things, hence super human.

It's not. a bigger guy than you can body slam/throw you around. is it really that hard to believe?

The action part and fighting, but there's more to a good character, and I won't know how good the character is until I see the film. It's hard to compare a character that was in 3 films and we saw evolve and grow since childhood to a few action scenes in a trailer. We don't even know if Gordon is in the film.

Batman being bitter with the "once percent chance" line, and other lines in the trailers, after 20 years of career, tell me that in fact this Batman has 10x more mental resolve than Nolan's Batman.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Who has no superhuman strength in the Nolanverse and is in fact a manlet.

Bane was probably on steroids because of the medication and mask which probably made him feel less physical pain. Still, that wasn't realistic either, so I don't see how an unrealistic moment in the Nolan film makes Battfleck's superhuman fighting real or believable?

It's a fact, nerd, fight me! I'll body slam you through a wood wall.

Da Battfleck is deeed.....barry it.

Yeah, he had unintelligible growls and unintelligible screams.

Are you really defending throat cancer voice?

You need to go back and watch those films. He also does a whisper voice. Besides, Bale has a natural raspy voice. I'll take Kilmer over any Batman so far...when it comes to the voice.

It's not. a bigger guy than you can body slam/throw you around. is it really that hard to believe?

I never said it was a bad thing. I like that he can do super human things....hopefully he can dodge bullets too, seriously. I don't get why you want to believe it's physically possible for Bats to throw people around and beat up dozens of guys with weapons.

Batman being bitter with the "once percent chance" line, and other lines in the trailers, after 20 years of career, tell me that in fact this Batman has 10x more mental resolve than Nolan's Batman.

That was a good line and Affleck looked good, but I need to see the whole film. We'll see how Snyder handles the story, his origin, and the story telling.

 

[GasparZizou]

Bane was probably on steroids because of the medication and mask which probably made him feel less physical pain. Still, that wasn't realistic either, so I don't see how an unrealistic moment in the Nolan film makes Battfleck's superhuman fighting real or believable?

Yeah that's my point the "realistic" version wasn't realistic. But I just explained how Batfleck throwing a couple people around isn't unrealistic.

I mean seriously, throwing people around is impossible for a big guy? I had no idea this "super-strength" was a new meme.

You need to go back and what those films. He also does a whisper voice. Besides, Bale has a natural raspy voice. I'll take Kilmer over any Batman so far...when it comes to the voice.

I've watched them like 20 times.
The whispers sound equally bad with his squeezed mouth in that horrible cowl. Irredeemable voice.
Begins voice was fine.

I never said it was a bad thing. I like that he can do super human things....hopefully he can dodge bullets too, seriously. I don't get why you want to believe it's physically possible for Bats to throw people around and beat up dozens of guys with weapons.

Yeah beating 2 dozen bad guys alone is ******** and all.

But body slam and throw a couple fools that are smaller than the Batman through some old wooden walls or floors, is perfectly believable.



And that's in the weight category, from being completely crouched down. Imagine if the size difference was the same as in thug:Batman.

If that was an old wooden floor/wall you can bet your *** there would be a hole there.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I mean seriously, throwing people around is impossible for a big guy? I had no idea this "super-strength" was a new meme.

It's not, but you make it sound like a bad thing. He's abnormally strong.

I've watched them like 20 times.

Not enough

But body slam and throw a couple fools that are smaller than the Batman through some old wooden walls or floors, is perfectly believable.



And that's in the weight category, from being completely crouched down. Imagine if the size difference was the same as in thug:Batman.

If that was an old wooden floor/wall you can bet your *** there would be a hole there.

Different type of move.

Is this haircut believable? Nope...which means his fighting is totally impossible...I can prove it with math and stuff.

 

[GasparZizou]

It's not, but you make it sound like a bad thing. He abnormally strong.

Yes, abnormally strong, absolutely, unrealistic? No.

It's a bad thing that people think this can't be done :

Not enough

More than enough if you ask me

Different type of move.

Good eye! I was hoping you picked up in that, that's actually a way harder since he's lifting with his back from the very bottom in a straight line, it's almost pure brute force.

Batman did more of a judo throw since he's twisting his waist, which gives you more leverage and makes the move easier, not to mention he did it standing up. Again, to a smaller opponent.

But is this haircut believable? Nope...which means his fighting is totally impossible...I can prove it with math and stuff.

So that's why he's so angry.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

It's a bad thing that people think this can't be done :

Why? The concept of Batman is not real to begin with, and it can't be done in real life either

Good eye! I was hoping you picked up in that, that's actually a way harder since he's lifting with his back from the very bottom in a straight line, it's almost pure brute force.

Batman did more of a judo throw since he's twisting his waist, which gives you more leverage and makes the move easier, not to mention he did it standing up. Again, to a smaller opponent.

That was no Judo throw. It was more of a choke slam and he picks the guy over his head and then turns and slams him.

That is as realistic as this

Not that it has to be real. It's cool looking.

So that's why he's so angry.

Snyder's complex Batman for ya. I wouldn't expect any less from Snyder

 

[Rorywan]

Verisimilitude.

 

[GasparZizou]

Why? The concept of Batman is not real to begin with, and it can't be done in real life either

Agreed, but you can still body slam people.

That was no Judo throw. It was more of a choke slam and he picks the guy over his head and then turns and slams him.

I said MORE of a Judo throw, the turn is what makes it that, not a full judo throw, he didn't choke him, he locked the thug's arms, grabbed him by the body, turned his waist to pick him up and dropped him.

That is as realistic as this

I know you're trying to make a joke, but no. Jesus Christ! I just showed you a more difficult move than that with 2 dudes in the same weight category.

There are also videos of idiots running through wood walls on youtube.

I mean, let's recapitulate, you honestly think a big dude, grabbing a smaller dude and body slamming him or throwing him through a WOOD wall is unrealistic? You're trolling me aren't you? I took the bait didn't I?

This meme needs to die.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Dude, he's fighting Superman. It doesn't get more unrealistic than that....even with his little armor and Superman holding back, Sups flew him through a building. There's nothing realistic about this Batman....and I'm not sure why you want him to be "realistic", especially since you want a comic book Batman.

 

[GasparZizou]

Dude, he's fighting Superman. It doesn't get more unrealistic than that....even with his little armor and Superman holding back, Sups flew him through a building. There's nothing realistic about this Batman....and I'm not sure why you want him to be "realistic", especially since you want a comic book Batman.

No no, don't get me wrong, Batman and his whole concept is unrealistic, taking down 24 thugs is unrealistic, fighting Supes, etc, yadda yadda. I'm all for unrealistic Batman.

I'm only saying, he doesn't have superhuman strength, picking up up and body slamming smaller guys than you through old wood walls, isn't superhuman strength.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

No no, don't get me wrong, Batman and his whole concept is unrealistic, taking down 24 thugs is unrealistic, fighting Supes, etc, yadda yadda. I'm all for unrealistic Batman.

I'm only saying, he doesn't have superhuman strength, picking up up and body slamming smaller guys than you through old wood walls, isn't superhuman strength.

You are contradicting yourself...a little bit.

taking down 24 thugs is unrealistic, fighting Supes, etc, yadda yadda. I'm all for unrealistic Batman.

he doesn't have superhuman strength

I'm pretty sure he's on a superhuman level if ha can do those unrealistic things and he's not even in his physical prime.

 

[GasparZizou]

You are contradicting yourself...a little bit.
I'm pretty sure he's on a superhuman level if ha can do those unrealistic things and he's not even in his physical prime.

What does taking down 24 baddies with gadgets and strategy, and fighting with a mech suit and kryptonite against Superman have anything to do with strength? How is that contradictory?

 

[kryptonianmutie]

Verisimilitude.

Where have I heard that word before?

 

[moose]

Just curious anybody have an idea on who might be the villain in Justice League part 1, I keep hearing things but nothings leaked yet to confirm it.

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[GasparZizou]

I think it's pretty obvious it will be Darkseid. But I heard some rumors that the working tittle for JL part 1 is "Caveman" and people obviously speculate it has to do with Vandal Savage.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

What does taking down 24 baddies with gadgets and strategy, and fighting with a mech suit and kryptonite against Superman have anything to do with strength? How is that contradictory?

Even with the gadgets he's still fighting dozens of guys.A chimpanzee is much stronger than a single human, which means it is almost physically impossible for a human to beat a chimp in a fight, yet Batman still has the physical strength and speed to fight over a dozen men which is like fighting more than one Chimp. That alone puts him on a superhuman level in real life. In fact, once Sups flew Bats through a building, hundreds of feet in the air using his super speed, Batman should be dead even with a mech suit, but he's strong enough to sustain that kind of damage.