Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[crows]

Even with the gadgets he's still fighting dozens of guys.A chimpanzee is much stronger than a single human, which means it is almost physically impossible for a human to beat a chimp in a fight, yet Batman still has the physical strength and speed to fight over a dozen men which is like fighting more than one Chimp. That alone puts him on a superhuman level in real life. In fact, once Sups flew Bats through a building, hundreds of feet in the air using his super speed, Batman should be dead even with a mech suit, but he's strong enough to sustain that kind of damage.

 

[GasparZizou]

Even with the gadgets he's still fighting dozens of guys.A chimpanzee is much stronger than a single human, which means it is almost physically impossible for a human to beat a chimp in a fight, yet Batman still has the physical strength and speed to fight over a dozen men which is like fighting more than one Chimp. That alone put him on a superhuman level in real life. In fact, once Sups flew Bats through a building, hundreds of feet in the air using his super speed, Batman should be dead even with a mech suit, but he's strong enough to sustain that kind of damage.

That chimp analogy makes no sense

Anyway, I just showed you how a much more difficult body slam is perfectly doable, and I proved that's not superhuman strength, and you pull that chimpanzee stuff?

Anyway, yeah he's fighting 24 guys, let's assume he didn't disable any of them with gadgets or grenades or stuff, let's assume he's gonna fight all of them... He's gonna probably knock most of them with a single punch, which makes the fight perfectly achievable, sure, unrealistic, but not due to superhuman strength.

Yeah, Supes did that to Batman, what makes you think the MECH SUIT doesn't have any sort of dampers? What are you doing?

Further more, the mech suit must weight a couple TONS, surely Batman must be carrying all that weight by himself, according to you Seriously, did you think the Mech suit was just a bunch of metal scraps glued to the costume or something?

No, dude, unrealistic fighting skills? Sure, genius level intellect and engineering skills? No doubt. Superhuman strength? Absolutely not. Period.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

That chimp analogy makes no sense

Yes it does. We're talking about strength and speed and that's a perfect example of a super human feat.

Anyway, I just showed you how a much more difficult body slam is perfectly doable, and I proved that's not superhuman strength, and you pull that chimpanzee stuff?

You showed me a guy picking up another guy with two arms in a different position, not beating 20 guys and punching someone so hard the guy breaks the floor from a single punch

Anyway, yeah he's fighting 24 guys, let's assume he didn't disable any of them with gadgets or grenades or stuff, let's assume he's gonna fight all of them... He's gonna probably knock most of them with a single punch, which makes the fight perfectly achievable, sure, unrealistic, but not due to superhuman strength.

Yeah, Supes did that to Batman, what makes you think the MECH SUIT doesn't have any sort of dampers? What are you doing?

No, dude, unrealistic fighting skills? Sure, genius level intellect and engineering skills? No doubt. Superhuman strength? Absolutely not. Period.

You are making no sense. The level of strength and speed that it takes to do what Battfleck did in the trailer is nowhere near possible in real life...what's next, Goku's training in 100 times gravity is also achievable?

We're not going to agree on this

 

[GasparZizou]

Yes it does. We're talking about strength and speed and that's a perfect example of a super human feat.

It's a false analogy.

You showed me a guy picking up another guy with two arms in a different position,

Yeah, a more difficult move in a MUCH more difficult position, between 2 individuals in the same weight class.

Do you really need me to explain to you how a probably 2:3 weight ratio AT LEAST, twisting your waist, and doing it standing up changes things?

Also, Batman also picked him with 2 arms.

not beating 20 guys and punching someone so hard the guy breaks the floor from a single punch

WOOD floor, Jesus dude, really.

I already told you the fighting skills are indeed unrealistic, reeeeally, what are you doing? You're all over the place.

You are making no sense.

Really, me?

The level of strength and speed that it takes to do what Battfleck did in the trailer is nowhere near possible in real life

KO 24 fools? Not at all. Body slamming some of them? Perfectly doable.

...what's next, Goku's training in 100 times gravity is also achievable?

Chimpanzee level parallel.

We're not going to agree on this

Sorry man, but you're wrong here.

Unrealistic fighting skills? Sure.
Genius level intellect and engineering skills? Sure.
What does any of that have to do with superhuman strength which is nowhere present in the trailer, as I've showed you.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

It's a false analogy.

How is it a false analogy? 24 or a dozen guys will equal in strength at least two chimpanzees, now find me a human who can physically overpower two chimps.

Yeah, a more difficult move in a MUCH more difficult position, between 2 individuals in the same weight class.

Do you really need me to explain to you how a probably 2:3 weight ratio AT LEAST, twisting your waist, and doing it standing up changes things?

Also, Batman also picked him with 2 arms.

The trailer is self-explanatory....

WOOD floor, Jesus dude, really.

I already told you the fighting skills are indeed unrealistic, reeeeally, what are you doing? You're all over the place.

I don't care if the floor is made out of cotton candy. He punched a guy so hard it made the guy hit the floor with such power that he broke the wood....do you realize how hard and what kid of strength he must have to cause that kind of force? that That's actually impossible for a human....******* Mike Tyson never made a guy hit the ground that hard.

I'm all over the place? You believe a guy can fight Superman , beat up 24 guys, accept the character is at its core unrealistic, but you can't accept that he's a super human

Yeah, that parallel makes perfect sense too.

I'm just speaking your language.

Unrealistic fighting skills? Sure.
Genius level intellect and engineering skills? Sure.
What does any of that have to do with superhuman strength which is nowhere present in the trailer, as I've showed you.

It's not just skills. It takes a certain amount of strength and speed to do what Batman does...what's so hard to understand about that? If you take the best MMA fighter in the world and you teach him every fighting trick and technique there is, he's still won't be strong enough or fast enough to overpower dozens of people.

 

[GasparZizou]

How is it a false analogy? 24 or a dozen guys will equal in strength at least two chimpanzees, now find me a human who can physically overpower two chimps.

He's not overpowering them.

Dude really, what are you doing? Why are you ignoring what I'm saying? Ok I'll say it again. KOing each of them in a single punch isn't overpowering them.

The trailer is self-explanatory....

Apparently not.

I'm all over the place?

Yes you are all over the place, you are pursuing points we already agreed on and you're trying to link them somehow with superhuman strength. Let me list them, AGAIN.

You believe a guy can fight Superman

Unrealistic, also, completely unrelated to his strength.

beat up 24 guys

unrealistic, also unrelated to his strength.

accept the character is at its core unrealistic

Already agreed to this, and you KNOW I'm all for unrealistic Bats.

but you can't accept that he's a super human

No, I am saying he doesn't have superhuman strength, as I've showed.

I'm just speaking your language.

I haven't made false analogies. You've made one false analogy and one hyperbole.

It's not just skills. It takes a certain amount of strength and speed to do what Batman does...what's so hard to understand about that? If you take the best MMA fighter in the world and you teach him every fighting trick and technique there is, he's still won't be strong enough or fast enough to overpower dozens of people.

AGAAAIN! Dude, why are you trying to muddy the discussion?

I have told you like 3 times now that he didn't overpower every single one of them, and yes, if you take the best MMA fighter he won't be able to beat 24 people, again, I already told you that's unrealistic, but he WILL be able to body slam and throw a few people around WITH EASE if he's bigger than them.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

He's not overpowering them.

Dude really, what are you doing? Why are you ignoring what I'm saying? Ok I'll say it again. KOing each of them in a single punch isn't overpowering them.

It is actually. Punching a guy so hard it made the guy hit the floor with such power that he breaks the wood is the definition of over powering someone. Do you realize how hard and what kid of strength he must have to cause that kind of force? That's actually impossible for a human....******* Mike Tyson never made a guy hit the ground that hard....not even close. Technique has nothing to do with it.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

 

[JAWS]

Dudes!!! This is like the Greatest Nerd Fight EVER!!!!!!

I am on the side that Batman has zero superhuman abilities.... Never once in any lore is it stated that he has them... Having said that we are talking about Comics and Movies... The stuff he pulls off is impossible but that does not make him Superhuman... Not in the true sense of the Comic book word

Nerd out!

 

[GasparZizou]

It is actually. Punching a guy so hard it made the guy hit the floor with such power that he breaks the wood is the definition of over powering someone. Do you realize how hard and what kid of strength he must have to cause that kind of force? That's actually impossible for a human....******* Mike Tyson never made a guy hit the ground that hard....not even close. Technique has nothing to do with it.

In a way, I guess, but if you KO them you are effectively disabling them, hence, you don't need to overpower them. And yes technique has everything to do with it.

Did Tyson ever fought a much smaller guy than him and had him in a position where he could throw a point blank swing towards the floor?

 

[JAWS]

Bruce Lee could do a one inch punch... Did that he had superpowers??...

Perhaps I am too late to the conversation to ask such questions..

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Dudes!!! This is like the Greatest Nerd Fight EVER!!!!!!

I am on the side that Batman has zero superhuman abilities.... Never once in any lore is it stated that he has them... Having said that we are talking about Comics and Movies... The stuff he pulls off is impossible but that does not make him Superhuman... Not in the true sense of the Comic book word

Nerd out!

I'm guessing that's me hitting the boxes Damn boxes!!!

In a way, I guess, but if you KO them you are effectively disabling them, hence, you don't need to overpower them. And yes technique has everything to do with it.

A KO is still overpowering someone.

Did Tyson ever fought a much smaller guy than him and had him in a position where he could throw a point blank swing towards the floor?

Are the guys he's fighting that much smaller...or even smaller? Hard to tell.

 

[GasparZizou]

I'm guessing that's me hitting the boxes Damn boxes!!!

Damn straight awwww no way m8, I'd put pillows there for you

A KO is still overpowering someone.

What I mean is that when he KOs someone, has to do more with technique and timing, than it is with strength. If he disables people with one punch, like it's usual with movies, then strength or even stamina have little to do with it.

Are the guys he's fighting that much smaller...or even smaller? Hard to tell.

Well, when he's hitting like 4 of them when he gets the knight to the back of the head he looks a lot bigger.

I would agree that it looks exaggerated, but I do believe that provided the wood is old, thin or rotten enough, it could be done, especially if the hitter is Tyson, although it would probably not work like that, must likely the receiver of the hit would get his neck broken or something instead of turning his entire body like that.

 

[karamazov80]

Old *** wood walls and floors throwing someone around isn't inherently superhuman, much less if it's a bigger guy than the rest, it requires strength and technique but it can be done. Batman should be able to do it.
. . .

See what Nolan hath wrought with the "real world" superhero nonsense. It still lingers.

These movies may be somewhat "grounded", but they are still fantastical comic book movies and NOT set in the real world.

The very notion of the Batman character's existence is unrealistic, much less many of the things he's routinely done in the comics throughout history. Embrace it.

In ancient times, mythology dealt with Gods, Monsters and even humans who were clearly stronger and more gifted than normal people... nearly demi-godlike. This is what Batman is in our pop culture. He's human, yes, but no real human could ever do what he does because it's always at least a tad fantastical.

 

[jye4ever]

Dudes!!! This is like the Greatest Nerd Fight EVER!!!!!!

I am on the side that Batman has zero superhuman abilities.... Never once in any lore is it stated that he has them... Having said that we are talking about Comics and Movies... The stuff he pulls off is impossible but that does not make him Superhuman... Not in the true sense of the Comic book word

Nerd out!

The worst part is that I read their entire back and forth.

 

[JAWS]

I'm guessing that's me hitting the boxes Damn boxes!!!

I never even thought about your name and how fitting that gif was

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Damn straight awwww no way m8, I'd put pillows there for you

I would agree that it looks exaggerated

I'll take that as a small victory. I'm pretty sure if we go at it another 10 pages, I can convince you

The worst part is that I read their entire back and forth.

That's like 6 pages of nonsensical nerd talking

 

[a-dev]

I've seen this before. The only way to stop it is to issue one party with a temporary banning. Last time it was Gaspar so.....

 

[GasparZizou]

I agree with him doe.

The worst part is that I read their entire back and forth.

Haha! We made you waste your time!

I'll take that as a small victory. I'm pretty sure if we go at it another 10 pages, I can convince you

That's like 6 pages of nonsensical nerd talking

I'm gonna enjoy watching you fail, Mr. Prince of Crime.

 

[crows]

I'm guessing that's me hitting the boxes Damn boxes!!!



A KO is still overpowering someone.





Are the guys he's fighting that much smaller...or even smaller? Hard to tell.

Damn straight awwww no way m8, I'd put pillows there for you


What I mean is that when he KOs someone, has to do more with technique and timing, than it is with strength. If he disables people with one punch, like it's usual with movies, then strength or even stamina have little to do with it.



Well, when he's hitting like 4 of them when he gets the knight to the back of the head he looks a lot bigger.

I would agree that it looks exaggerated, but I do believe that provided the wood is old, thin or rotten enough, it could be done, especially if the hitter is Tyson, although it would probably not work like that, must likely the receiver of the hit would get his neck broken or something instead of turning his entire body like that.

I'll take that as a small victory. I'm pretty sure if we go at it another 10 pages, I can convince you



That's like 6 pages of nonsensical nerd talking

I agree with him doe.

Haha! We made you waste your time!


I'm gonna enjoy watching you fail, Mr. Prince of Crime.

i havent seen this much sexual tension since Brokeback Mountain