Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[a-dev]

Sorry to ruin your point but GotG was a team up film about five obscure characters and yet most people liked it very much.
BvS is a team up film with well known iconic characters, I don't see the problem here.

That misses the point. There could never have been any ''gravitas'' (the word that Rorywan used I think) attached to seeing a bunch of unknown characters coming together to form what happens to be a team precisely because we never knew these characters separately. At least the general movie-going populace, maybe comic book followers did. I myself had never heard of them until that movie, so I never regarded it as a team-up in the same sense as I did The Avengers. They might aswell have been a team by default.

Personally I'm not saying that BvS will be impossible to like as it is, I'm only saying that it could potentially have been better than it will be if these characters had had solo films beforehand.

 

[Baneofdemon22]

If they wanted to, they could do a opening credits like Spider-man 2 and tell the origin in the way of pictures.

I didn't even see Batman Begins in the theater because I didn't care to see Batman's origin. I'm glad I did later on because I love the performances, but I didn't care at that time. I didn't read Year One until I was 20 years old because I didn't want to waste my time reading an origin story even though it was hailed as one of the greatest comic books. I knew Batman's parents died in front of him, he devoted his life to defending people, he trained himself to mental and physical perfection, and that's all I cared to know. I just wanted Batman!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

If they wanted to, they could do a opening credits like Spider-man 2 and tell the origin in the way of pictures.

I didn't even see Batman Begins in the theater because I didn't care to see Batman's origin. I'm glad I did later on because I love the performances and it made me appreciate Bruce Wayne as a character, but I didn't care at that time. I didn't read Year One until I was 20 years old because I didn't want to waste my time reading an origin story even though it was hailed as one of the greatest comic books. I knew Batman's parents died in front of him, he vowed devote his life to defending people, and he trained himself to mental and physical perfection, and that's all I cared to know. I just wanted Batman!

Well, get ready to see Batman's parents get shot again in BVS.

 

[GasparZizou]

That misses the point. There could never have been any ''gravitas'' (the word that Rorywan used I think) attached to seeing a bunch of unknown characters coming together to form what happens to be a team precisely because we never knew these characters separately. At least the general movie-going populace, maybe comic book followers did. I myself had never heard of them until that movie, so I never regarded it as a team-up in the same sense as I did The Avengers. They might aswell have been a team by default.

There was some gravitas in GotG, despite the fact that it was a comedy.

Now, the JL aren't unknown characters at all, they're all A-listers, like Jedi said, not all the avengers were A-listers, some of them were even C-listers by the time the MCU started.

DC can have the luxury of skipping the "build up" and still have impact.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

Why not just agree to disagree guys, nobody is going to change anyone's opinions- Superheroes are like politics no point arguing, its like talking to a wall, nobody is listening on the other end, they will just come up with another counter argument that suits their opinion- the cycle is infinite

 

[Baneofdemon22]

I didn't think this was an argument, but it's hard to tell tone on the internet. I hope not! I'm just hyped for the movie, so I'm taking any chance I can to talk about it!

We're spending how much time talking about a movie with grown men who see crime and then run away to put on tights to punch them. By having so many discussions about it, we're even sillier than that.

 

[crows]

No I get that the cinematic climate has changed tremendously, but that's not the point. To get the gravitas and wow factor that was needed for BVS, we need more establishment.

**** even if Bale's Batman had been brought into this and was face to face with Cavill as Superman it would have had that missing element.
I'm no Marvel fanboy either, but when Guardians of The Galaxy finally end up fighting alongside Captain America and the rest of that MCU, it will have a similar effect.

DC rushed into this with one mediocre movie behind them and wanted what Marvel had done without the effort. Will it pay off? Maybe short term, I have no doubt BVS will make a lot of money, it has too. But why not take their time, make really good product, introduce their characters properly?

So u want.... The batman that was basically crippled by the end of the trilogy,.... The batman that was walking with a cane?
The batman that quit for 8 years after 2 years in the suit?

The same batman that couldn't take out bane... U wanted that batman to take on superman???

That goes beyond ridiculous and absurd and just becomes pure trolling. That's just trolling. I don't believe u are serious

 

[a-dev]

There was some gravitas in GotG, despite the fact that it was a comedy.

Now, the JL aren't unknown characters at all, they're all A-listers, like Jedi said, not all the avengers were A-listers, some of them were even C-listers by the time the MCU started.

DC can have the luxury of skipping the "build up" and still have impact.

Why not just agree to disagree guys, nobody is going to change anyone's opinions- Superheroes are like politics no point arguing, its like talking to a wall, nobody is listening on the other end, they will just come up with another counter argument that suits their opinion- the cycle is infinite

I seem to be in that kind of mood today - ''No, no NO! He MUST understand my point''. If people would stop replying to me, I think that should get me to stop

 

[greygoose]

BvS could very well be my movie of the year. Apart from this, X-Men and Rogue One are the only other movies that I'm interested in seeing in 2016.

 

[DiFabio]

Batman will be more than established within the first 15-20 mins of this movie. There is a sense of gravitas when Batman and Superman finally confront each other in their showdown.

Spoiler

Bruce's plight in this movie is loss. The loss of his parents, the loss of his allies and friends (other than Alfred obviously) and his employees that perish in Metropolis during the events of Man of Steel. This is all laid out well for the audience. Wayne funnels this angst and rage towards Superman, it isn't just something that happens, there's a certain catalyst that makes him go past the tipping point. When he dons the armored suit, that's close to the end of the movie.

Batman isn't a problem in this movie. This is a solid intro to his character that doesn't need 1-2 movies prior to this one ala the MCU, for the audience to get the point. It's Batman's movie and a sequel to Man of Steel.

 

[Khev]

I seem to be in that kind of mood today - ''No, no NO! He MUST understand my point''. If people would stop replying to me, I think that should get me to stop

All I learned today is that for 17 years you've been humming "Duel of the Fates" and "Qui Gon's funeral" (whatever that is) and muttering lines like "are you an angel" under your breath so I got nothin.'

 

[kryptonianmutie]

3:00

Oh boy. It didn't get funny until the phone crush. Then it was funny for a little bit longer and then got dumb again.

 

[karamazov80]

All I learned today is that for 17 years you've been humming "Duel of the Fates" and "Qui Gon's funeral" (whatever that is) and muttering lines like "are you an angel" under your breath so I got nothin.'

I thought Qui Gon got tossed down the shoot like the piece of garbage that he was. No?

 

[DiFabio]

I thought Qui Gon got tossed down the shoot like the piece of garbage that he was. No?

And he'll be back in the sequel despite not having any worthwhile contribution to the story as a character for . . . reasons.

 

[JAWS]

Speaking for myself I take Marvel films on a case by case basis. Avengers Age of Ultron was a let-down, pretty average. I do however subscribe to the view that Marvel's way of universe-building is the better one.

Seeing Batman fighting Superman will be exciting but probably not quite as exciting as it could have been if we had ever seen this particular Batman in his own movie beforehand. Likewise Wonder-Woman. And this is what people mean when they say this all seems very rushed - not that this one movie is rushed, that the universe-building is rushed.

This is a notion that I just don't understand (and I'm not singling you out, a-dev, as your thoughts on this are absolutely among the majority.

But here's the deal: The Marvel Studios way of building their cinematic universe WAS perfect. FOR THEM. But it need not be a blue print for the only way to do so. People often overlook the reason why Marvel took a slower, methodical approach to introducing each Avenger character: They basically had to. It might be hard for some people to believe now, but before 2008 Iron Man was NOT exactly a household name. To say nothing of a character like Black Widow.

The main difference is that Warner Bros/DC doesn't really need to introduce the core Justice League characters to the world. Everyone is already familiar with them. And not just Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman (who pretty much any human in the civilized world is familiar with)... even their 2nd tier characters (Flash, Aquaman, etc) are pretty well known. So there was no need to do several solo films before bringing them all together. All they had to do was introduce a movie universe that they could all share and inhabit, and then get on with it. And that's exactly what they did. Whether or not it will work will remain to be seen over the next couple of years, but clearly WB felt that this was the best way to build THEIR cinematic universe. And I personally tend to agree. This is not a Zero Sum game. It's also not a race, despite how the internet wants to see it.

Here is the thing... I watch the trailer with Batman, Superman and Wonder woman all in the same frame and I should be geeked out.... But Problem is... They did not earn that shot like Marvel did in Avengers... Other then Superman who we watched in MOS the other two could be Cosplay fans... It's not like the Avengers where you are finally seeing well developed hero'splayed by the same actor share the screen together... If Marvel made the Avengers first then that payoff shot with all of them in the same frame would have fell as flat as the BvS shot.. If they at least made a Batman movie with this Batman then the match up would be that much cooler.

Warner is trying to catch up to Marvel and jump on the Comic hit wave... They needed to take their time but I think they are worried about Comic Book Fatigue setting in.. So they are in a rush.

I hope it's good.. I really do. If for no other reason as to get more Batman movies.. But after MOS I am not overly excited.

BTW I watched MOS again this weekend.. Just such a flawed film. I really hope the new movie can avoid the same issues.

 

[JAWS]

That misses the point. There could never have been any ''gravitas'' (the word that Rorywan used I think) attached to seeing a bunch of unknown characters coming together to form what happens to be a team precisely because we never knew these characters separately. At least the general movie-going populace, maybe comic book followers did. I myself had never heard of them until that movie, so I never regarded it as a team-up in the same sense as I did The Avengers. They might aswell have been a team by default.

Personally I'm not saying that BvS will be impossible to like as it is, I'm only saying that it could potentially have been better than it will be if these characters had had solo films beforehand.

Agreed.... This could have been more epic.

Now, the JL aren't unknown characters at all, they're all A-listers, like Jedi said, not all the avengers were A-listers, some of them were even C-listers by the time the MCU started.

DC can have the luxury of skipping the "build up" and still have impact.

If it's a good movie it will be a good movie and nobody will really care.

But WW is out of place and feels forced. Like I stated.. Cosplay. She could be anyone.. I have no investment in this version of her. I am not saying she wont be good. But in the trailers I think she feels forced... It should feel cool but it leaves me cold because.. Who cares?? It;s just some chick dressed like WW.

Warner is just trying to catch up because they wasted so much time waiting for the Nolan Batman films to end (I think lol)

 

[GasparZizou]

There's nothing to earn, Superman and Batman in the same movie frame is something that was long overdue, regardless of who is playing them.

Marvel had to earn it, that's not the case with DC.

You may not be hyped but that doesn't mean people aren't hyped, you should see the reaction videos when WW first showed up.

And as far as I've heard, WW's role isn't large and forced, it's small and introductory.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I hope WW is given the ability to fly eventually. I don't want her to be the Black Widow of the team...

 

[GasparZizou]

I hope WW is given the ability to fly eventually. I don't want her to be the Black Widow of the team...

She'd me more of a hulk that can fight though.

I hope they keep her like that for a while, always liked a non-flying WW more, then Hermes can giver her his wings.

 

[RIDDICK]

That misses the point.

Nope. His point was that "GotG meet the Avengers" will have gravitas yet most viewers didn't know who the **** are GotG, Ant-Man, Wasp, Hawkeye (and soon Black Panther) before the films. That's absolutely not the same as "Reeve's Superman meet Keaton's Batman" because even back there both character were well known and popular.

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I wish it all started with "Justice League" right away, then separate them for solo films and crossovers.