Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 24th, 2016)

[Baneofdemon22]

Well, get ready to see Batman's parents get shot again in BVS.

I've already watched the trailers so many times, and I survived, so I should be okay! My ticket was already bought with that first teaser trailer. It's still my favorite out of all the trailers.

I also enjoyed Man of Steel, and it was just that all the hate got to me at a point that I started to pick at everything. Then you had to go and point out how flawed Batman Begins was, and I realized if everything was picked apart with such scrutiny as these DC movies, every movie would seem awful. So I'm also looking forward to it as just being a sequel for Man of Steel. I would have waited to rent it on DVD though. I'm just sticking with BvS for my superhero movie for the year because I don't want to get burnt out before Justice League.

 

[kryptonianmutie]

I wish it all started with "Justice League" right away, then separate them for solo films and crossovers.

Abso****inglutely! That was my point a few pages back about WB making it look more like a mess. There was no need to do a solo Superman movie first if you were going to go this route anyway!

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

She'd me more of a hulk that can fight though.

Hulk's acting might be better though

I hope they keep her like that for a while, always liked a non-flying WW more, then Hermes can giver her his wings.

She better get wings or Nimbus to help her fly ...whatever as long as she can fly. I can't take her seriously riding a horse.

 

[pturtle]

Some characters are just too iconic that it doesn't matter who is playing them, the suit is what matters, especially if those iconic characters have had more than several different iterations on the big screen. I haven't seen Rory complaining about Spidey or Black Panther showing up in Civil War, or QS and SW showing up in the craptastic AOU film, if you ask me, I think Rory might have a slight bias here


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[DiFabio]

Some characters are just too iconic that it doesn't matter who is playing them, the suit is what matters, especially if those iconic characters have had more than several different iterations on the big screen.

You said it.



https://youtu.be/xmA_raKKRBY?t=25m16s


"Elvis was such an icon that after Elvis died, he could just send the suit around and make a fortune on the suit. Batman is like Elvis. It's really the suit that is the star."

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

You said it.



https://youtu.be/xmA_raKKRBY?t=25m16s


"Elvis was such an icon that after Elvis died, he could just send the suit around and make a fortune on the suit. Batman is like Elvis. It's really the suit that is the star."

And then he gave the suit nipples

 

[kryptonianmutie]

And then he gave the suit nipples

Lol. Schumacher is the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Remy]

This is a notion that I just don't understand (and I'm not singling you out, a-dev, as your thoughts on this are absolutely among the majority.

But here's the deal: The Marvel Studios way of building their cinematic universe WAS perfect. FOR THEM. But it need not be a blue print for the only way to do so. People often overlook the reason why Marvel took a slower, methodical approach to introducing each Avenger character: They basically had to. It might be hard for some people to believe now, but before 2008 Iron Man was NOT exactly a household name. To say nothing of a character like Black Widow.

The main difference is that Warner Bros/DC doesn't really need to introduce the core Justice League characters to the world. Everyone is already familiar with them. And not just Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman (who pretty much any human in the civilized world is familiar with)... even their 2nd tier characters (Flash, Aquaman, etc) are pretty well known. So there was no need to do several solo films before bringing them all together. All they had to do was introduce a movie universe that they could all share and inhabit, and then get on with it. And that's exactly what they did. Whether or not it will work will remain to be seen over the next couple of years, but clearly WB felt that this was the best way to build THEIR cinematic universe. And I personally tend to agree. This is not a Zero Sum game. It's also not a race, despite how the internet wants to see it.

This man deserves a cookie.
+1 Repped.

 

[JAWS]

There's nothing to earn, Superman and Batman in the same movie frame is something that was long overdue, regardless of who is playing them.

Marvel had to earn it, that's not the case with DC.

You may not be hyped but that doesn't mean people aren't hyped, you should see the reaction videos when WW first showed up.

And as far as I've heard, WW's role isn't large and forced, it's small and introductory.

Why did Marvel "Have" to earn it... Cap, Thor and Hulk are pretty Iconic...

I get that Bats and Superman are the big two but it's not like nobody heard of the other three...

My point about BvS has more to do with WW.... since this film almost looks like a Batman movie to begin with.. If this is an "Introduction" then I still stand by that her presence net to the other two is lacking due to her "version" of the character being unknown...

AS for people geeking out... I am sure the same thing would happen if they just made an Avengers film without all the other movies and they released a preview... Geeks are geeks I agree... I proudly put myself as one of them... But Marvel did it right IMO... NOW perhaps this film will be great and it will work... I just fear too much shoved into a 2 and 1/2 out film... This one should have focused on Bats and Superman alone... WW could end up feeling forced... I hope not.. I want this to be great... I really do.. I am a Marvel fan at heart but I read as much Batman as I do Marvel. But even Bats being in the trailer with Superman is not as cool as it would have been if both versions of this character had been given their own awesome film.. Like someone said... It would have been cool if Reeves and Keaton could have somehow shared the screen... That would have had an Epic feel. This one is cool but not EPIC.

Some characters are just too iconic that it doesn't matter who is playing them, the suit is what matters, especially if those iconic characters have had more than several different iterations on the big screen. I haven't seen Rory complaining about Spidey or Black Panther showing up in Civil War, or QS and SW showing up in the craptastic AOU film, if you ask me, I think Rory might have a slight bias here


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Black Panther Showing up in Civil War might be smart.. Nobody might have went if he got a stand alone film... I read a lot of Marvel but I don't even know much about that character...

Personally I am not a huge fan of Spidey showing up.... I would prefer a Spidey film first to get to know this Spidey.. Now it's just a glorified Cosplay cameo... Kind of like WW.


As far as the suit goes... Again it's more then just that IMO.. It's about this interpretation of the characters and building up to them meeting... I am not saying it won't work... It just could have worked better.

 

[pturtle]

Why did Marvel "Have" to earn it... Cap, Thor and Hulk are pretty Iconic...

I get that Bats and Superman are the big two but it's not like nobody heard of the other three...

My point about BvS has more to do with WW.... since this film almost looks like a Batman movie to begin with.. If this is an "Introduction" then I still stand by that her presence net to the other two is lacking due to her "version" of the character being unknown...

AS for people geeking out... I am sure the same thing would happen if they just made an Avengers film without all the other movies and they released a preview... Geeks are geeks I agree... I proudly put myself as one of them... But Marvel did it right IMO... NOW perhaps this film will be great and it will work... I just fear too much shoved into a 2 and 1/2 out film... This one should have focused on Bats and Superman alone... WW could end up feeling forced... I hope not.. I want this to be great... I really do.. I am a Marvel fan at heart but I read as much Batman as I do Marvel. But even Bats being in the trailer with Superman is not as cool as it would have been if both versions of this character had been given their own awesome film.. Like someone said... It would have been cool if Reeves and Keaton could have somehow shared the screen... That would have had an Epic feel. This one is cool but not EPIC.




Black Panther Showing up in Civil War might be smart.. Nobody might have went if he got a stand alone film... I read a lot of Marvel but I don't even know much about that character...

Personally I am not a huge fan of Spidey showing up.... I would prefer a Spidey film first to get to know this Spidey.. Now it's just a glorified Cosplay cameo... Kind of like WW.


As far as the suit goes... Again it's more then just that IMO.. It's about this interpretation of the characters and building up to them meeting... I am not saying it won't work... It just could have worked better.

I think it's pretty genius to introduce most of the JL in BvS, it's a great way to introduce the characters and make the general audience care about them because I'm almost sure by the end of BvS those characters that everyone might not be familiar with, will be teaming up with the 2 most iconic superheroes of all time. After that, the general audience are going to be curious about those characters that live in Batman and Superman's world, from there, making their movie brings in a good amount of casual fans. I think it's a pretty smart move on WB'a end, but it's also risky, especially with Snyder spearheading their cinematic universe because if BvS ends up sucking, that could ruin everything before it even begins


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[Rorywan]

Sorry to ruin your point but GotG was a team up film about five obscure characters and yet most people liked it very much.
BvS is a team up film with well known iconic characters, I don't see the problem here.

That wasn't my point. I wasn't talking about the GotG teaming up, I was referring to the fact that they will most likely end up teaming up with the avengers down the line. And it will have gravitas because both parts of their universes will have been explored adequately first.

 

[Rorywan]

That misses the point. There could never have been any ''gravitas'' (the word that Rorywan used I think) attached to seeing a bunch of unknown characters coming together to form what happens to be a team precisely because we never knew these characters separately. At least the general movie-going populace, maybe comic book followers did. I myself had never heard of them until that movie, so I never regarded it as a team-up in the same sense as I did The Avengers. They might aswell have been a team by default.

Personally I'm not saying that BvS will be impossible to like as it is, I'm only saying that it could potentially have been better than it will be if these characters had had solo films beforehand.

Exactly.

 

[JAWS]

Here is a great Example of how it is more then just the Suit.

Man of Steel..... That film needed more then just a Suit. More character building would have helped instead of an hour of destruction... Sure I know who Superman is.. He is Iconic... the film was well made and had a lot of cool things to look at. How well do I have to get to know Superman???

That is what the filmmakers banked on... And yet the film felt flat and lifeless and Superman as a character was made more dull then ever and the film suffered for it.

It's more then just a suit... I worry the same could happen for Batman and Wonder Woman in this film. If Batman and Wonder Woman. Yes the trailers look cool overall but so did MOS

Had WB taken their time to give us a cool Affleck Batman and WW film and make another / better Superman film, then this movie would feel Iconic and Epic... Think about it. Imagine a Batman film about his last days as then batman and then Ending a few years after hanging up the mantle of the Bat with Wayne in Metropolis when Superman and Zod are going at it and you have to wait a year or two for Batman vs Superman... EPIC film in the waiting!!!

All that could change when I see the film and I will be the first to admit it... But this feels rushed story wise.


Time will tell. Hope you all are right

 

[JAWS]

I think it's pretty genius to introduce most of the JL in BvS, it's a great way to introduce the characters and make the general audience care about them because I'm almost sure by the end of BvS those characters that everyone might not be familiar with, will be teaming up with the 2 most iconic superheroes of all time. After that, the general audience are going to be curious about those characters that live in Batman and Superman's world, from there, making their movie brings in a good amount of casual fans. I think it's a pretty smart move on WB'a end, but it's also risky, especially with Snyder spearheading their cinematic universe because if BvS ends up sucking, that could ruin everything before it even begins


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I don't mind them bringing in the smaller characters.. Like Marvel is doing with Black Panther.. I think we agree with each other there. I just think BvS has the potential to be that much greater if Batman and Wonder Woman had their own movie first and perhaps even give Superman another chance at a solo film.

 

[GasparZizou]

Why did Marvel "Have" to earn it... Cap, Thor and Hulk are pretty Iconic...

Cap and Hulk maybe, Thor wasn't.

Outside of the comics that is. And even then, Cap and Hulk aren't in the level of Batman/Superman/WW. And then you have arrowguy, black widow and iron man, that's 2 out of 6.

In BvS you will have B and Superman with WW on the side akin to BW in Iron Man 2, and that's forced?

Do you read comics? Honest question, characters are introduced all the time with small cameos. 1 or 2 cameos is nothing.

That wasn't my point. I wasn't talking about the GotG teaming up, I was referring to the fact that they will most likely end up teaming up with the avengers down the line. And it will have gravitas because both parts of their universes will have been explored adequately first.

Even with all the build up I doubt anyone will care about the GotG meeting the avengers. It will be cool and all, but I doubt a big fuzz will be made, or that it will have any gravitas, if anything, it will be a comedic moment.

Here is a great Example of how it is more then just the Suit.

Man of Steel..... That film needed more then just a Suit. More character building would have helped instead of an hour of destruction... Sure I know who Superman is.. He is Iconic... the film was well made and had a lot of cool things to look at. How well do I have to get to know Superman???

That is what the filmmakers banked on... And yet the film felt flat and lifeless and Superman as a character was made more dull then ever and the film suffered for it.

It's more then just a suit... I worry the same could happen for Batman and Wonder Woman in this film. If Batman and Wonder Woman. Yes the trailers look cool overall but so did MOS

What? It was over 1 hour and 20 minutes of character development.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Here is a great Example of how it is more then just the Suit.

Man of Steel..... That film needed more then just a Suit. More character building would have helped instead of an hour of destruction... Sure I know who Superman is.. He is Iconic... the film was well made and had a lot of cool things to look at. How well do I have to get to know Superman???

That is what the filmmakers banked on... And yet the film felt flat and lifeless and Superman as a character was made more dull then ever and the film suffered for it.

It's more then just a suit... I worry the same could happen for Batman and Wonder Woman in this film. If Batman and Wonder Woman. Yes the trailers look cool overall but so did MOS

Had WB taken their time to give us a cool Affleck Batman and WW film and make another / better Superman film, then this movie would feel Iconic and Epic... Think about it. Imagine a Batman film about his last days as then batman and then Ending a few years after hanging up the mantle of the Bat with Wayne in Metropolis when Superman and Zod are going at it and you have to wait a year or two for Batman vs Superman... EPIC film in the waiting!!!

All that could change when I see the film and I will be the first to admit it... But this feels rushed story wise.


Time will tell. Hope you all are right

Jaws felt rushed. They should have given the shark a solo film first so that Jaws felt more epic

 

[pturtle]

Here is a great Example of how it is more then just the Suit.

Man of Steel..... That film needed more then just a Suit. More character building would have helped instead of an hour of destruction... Sure I know who Superman is.. He is Iconic... the film was well made and had a lot of cool things to look at. How well do I have to get to know Superman???

That is what the filmmakers banked on... And yet the film felt flat and lifeless and Superman as a character was made more dull then ever and the film suffered for it.

It's more then just a suit... I worry the same could happen for Batman and Wonder Woman in this film. If Batman and Wonder Woman. Yes the trailers look cool overall but so did MOS

Had WB taken their time to give us a cool Affleck Batman and WW film and make another / better Superman film, then this movie would feel Iconic and Epic... Think about it. Imagine a Batman film about his last days as then batman and then Ending a few years after hanging up the mantle of the Bat with Wayne in Metropolis when Superman and Zod are going at it and you have to wait a year or two for Batman vs Superman... EPIC film in the waiting!!!

All that could change when I see the film and I will be the first to admit it... But this feels rushed story wise.


Time will tell. Hope you all are right

See I disagree, even after MOS, a movie with negative reviews, that a good amount of superhero fans were disappointed with, Cavill is returning as Superman, the casting of Ben Affleck as Batman, Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman, and Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor, Snyder coming back to direct, same dark and serious tone, this movie is still arguably the most anticipated of the year. Even with all the negative press we've seen before the movie even started filming, and the horrible trailer 2, everyone is still excited to see Batman and Superman on the big screen.


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[DiFabio]

Batman and Superman as characters are durable, you can do whatever you want with them and they won't break. Some things work, some things don't. A lot of the success for both characters in the various forms of media is the equivalence of catching lightning in a bottle. There isn't a sure thing to bank on for Batman to always equal a success. There are no rules or a check list that he must adhere to. Look at how many different interpretations there are of him. This is why Batman and Superman continue to exist after the 75+ years since their creation, they're flexible as icons.

If this particular formula they chose for this movie works in a couple of weeks, we'll see more of Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and the Justice League. If it proves to be the wrong choice . . . they'll still make Batman (and Superman) movies in the future. They're never going to die and they've been on screen a lot longer than the Marvel characters, who to my knowledge, only have one cinematic version of each of those characters.

 

[Rorywan]

Even with all the build up I doubt anyone will care about the GotG meeting the avengers. It will be cool and all, but I doubt a big fuzz will be made, or that it will have any gravitas, if anything, it will be a comedic moment.

More than this BVS which was the point. This meet up should be legendary, the grandchildren should be talkin about it..
Freddy V Jason got more attention and press than this given its budget and marketing.

 

[Rorywan]

See I disagree, even after MOS, a movie with negative reviews, that a good amount of superhero fans were disappointed with, Cavill is returning as Superman, the casting of Ben Affleck as Batman, Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman, and Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor, Snyder coming back to direct, same dark and serious tone, this movie is still arguably the most anticipated of the year. Even with all the negative press we've seen before the movie even started filming, and the horrible trailer 2, everyone is still excited to see Batman and Superman on the big screen.


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Eh no, no they are not.